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Key Suggestion take 2: Economic Boogaloo! Now with even more links for buyers at 7.11 and 7.22 ref.
Well, time to face the ordeal that is a new key suggestion, here’s hoping it goes well enough, even if it isn’t successful.
7 ref buyers (not really necessary as they are not in the current or new range, but they exist):
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18202686 - Has plenty of metal, and 8 keys.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18201707 - plenty of metal, no keys
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18464082 - no buyers for 5 days
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18438326 - no buyers for 6 days
7.11 ref buyers:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18402702 - plenty of keys bought
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18485504 - plenty of metal, only 9 keys
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18465081 - plenty of keys bought
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18406369 - plenty of keys bought
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18286488 - plenty of keys bought
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17121845 - bot
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18007983 - bot
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16182706 - bot
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16369833 - bot
7.22 ref buyers:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15754901 - bot, tons of metal, not so many keys
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16307577 - bot, plenty of metal, no keys
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13599180 - bot
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16361346 - bot
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18267370 - bot
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16361331 - bot
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18410583 - bot
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18527893 - bot
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18555859 - bot
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18475216 - bot
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18035693 - bot
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17225140 - bot
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13678223 - bot
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18517593 - bot
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15715501 - bot
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15670417 - bot
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16307576 - bot
http://scrap.tf/keys - Buying at 7.22 ref
7.33 ref buyers:
7.11 ref sellers:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13990056 -bot out of stock
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18555979 - sold in 4 minutes
7.22 ref sellers:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8799185 - several recent comments wanting to buy keys
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17558236 - out of stock
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10806553 - out of stock
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18027519 - out of stock
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18376769 - sold
7.33 ref sellers:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18067718 - several adds
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6962413 - several add messages
7.44 ref sellers:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18151435 - denied offer of 7.22
As the above proof shows, most successful buyers in the market are buying at either 7.11-7.22 ref, however the selling market seems to go for a little higher, but that is understandable with so many buyers at 7.11 and 7.22, the only way to not be instantly bought out is to go 7.33 or higher. I’ll put the range at 7.11-7.22, as I do not have sufficient proof from the sellers to make it anything else though. As it has been a week since the last accepted price change, this relatively small bump should be valid, but correct me if I am wrong.
And that comes to the end of my first non-unusual suggestion! I grabbed all the proof myself, so if there is any overlap with previous suggestions or duplicate links, feel free to notify me and I will try to remove them for the first hour. I will also strive to add more proof as time goes on, but I am going to avoid commenting unless necessary. Any and all proof that suggests keeping the price the same or changing it will be greatly appreciated, but try to keep it clean in there. Thanks for taking the time to read this suggestion, and happy trading!
Good to see you trying again man, this time you have closer to the right amount of links needed. I still think that 7.33 is possible but as long as bots are selling at that price i think this bump is conservative but correct.
Unfortunately, this looks good. I'll also add that the lucky.tf bot buys keys for 7.33 (although it rarely has enough scrap to actually buy).
the amount of bots is too damn high,upvote
its hard to find a key under 7.22 i sold 5 to bots for 7.22
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Surely the ads @ 7.22/7.33 are people wanting to make a profit? By increasing the price to match the seller's asking price, they will add another scrap profit on the short fall, and the price will therefore keep going up as the suggestions rise to match their prices.
yup, that's how its gotten to the price it is, yet unfortunately it's how it seems to work. Enough people want to charge more the prices change to suit that.
The vicious cycle of key prices seems inevitable.
Unless we can all vote to increase the price of refined metal, which I doubt would happen...
Words of wisdom Cy4taledd ^
Second Link for "buyers at 7.33" is wrong. It buys at 7.22
Same with the third.
Fourth was only buying one, fyi.
Fifth link is ALSO wrong, it buys at 7.22
Last link too. It buys at 7.11, sells at 7.33
Nice proof, no srsly.
Thanks for pointing that out, guess they changed their prices after a large influx of people came after seeing me list them here. I'll remove those links, they were not part of the range anyway.
*edit: Seems I can't edit them out, just disregard those links' existence.
What I fail to understand is that keys in the community market are only going for cheaper and cheaper, ATM they are 1.50 euros(roughly 2.1 usd) while their price in metal is forever increasing.
While I wrote this, the price dropped by another cent(euro) to 1.49
This does not make any sense!!! the metal price should be going skydiving right about now!!!
at the same time metal price has been going lower making the balance of things even as in metal is cheaper so base currency is easier to buy making keys less expensive.
Ugh... All because of how everyone wants more and more profit... If the community keeps this up, the economy's screwed....
Why do people think that raising a key half a scrap in a week is ruining the economy when it's obviously possible and proven?
It creates a non-linear big ball of timey wimey....stuff
finally a vote of keys, Good!
there are also people selling for 8 ref o_o
anyway price is constantly going up because backpack.tf is constantly puffing the price up. bp.tf is a powerful community and probably everybody on outpost know what it is and consider it as a guide for prices. since most people wanna make a profit (even ever so tiny), they will always buy at the current stated price for keys (if not less) and sell for more. prices won't stop going up simply because all the bp.tf community votes on a price rise for the keys on regular basis. prices won't go up if the community stops to rise it up. just less than 6 months ago keys were priced at 6 ref. do you realize that it is a very quick price growth? it's a vicious circle: people check bp.tf for prices and sell for more -> bp.tf community says: "here there is proof that people sell for more DUH" -> key prices go up -> repeat the process. i hope we won't end up paying 10 ref for a key because it's already ridiculous as it is. DON'T LET THE PRICE GO UP PLEASE.
I totally agree with you I think it is stupid where the market has been going this website is a GUIDE not a strict rule book, people will always buy LOW and sell HIGH that is a sign of a healthy economy not a sign that prices need to be raised.
It seems as if this price is now slightly incorrect. At this time (10:06 CST) on March 27, classifieds are full of 7.44+ sellers, and no less. Bots are buying from 7.22-7.33 and selling at the range 7.44-7.55. I recently put up some 7.33 trades on Outpost and got a bunch of adds within a few seconds.
FIVE DAYS LATER:
It's 5 days later now, and though I've upvoted this request, I already noticed a shift once again in price:
- 7-7.22 are sold instantly, either by bots or by quick adding within 30 sec. This is quickselling price without any doubt.
- 7.33 are sold within 5 minutes (had this both from personal experience and heard it from a lot of others as well)
- 7.44-7.55 is the prices bots sell them for now (and also some other people that see the price has changed again).
Though I don't like it, keys are rising rapidly.. I remember the days keys were 4 ref, and before my time they were even a lot lower than that from what I've heard.
I never made a price-suggestion yet, but personally I think the price should be set to 7.33-7.55 if I look at the market. (Perhaps 7.11-7.55, where 7-7.22 is quickselling price, though I think that range is a bit too big for keys.)
PS: Though 7.33-7.55 are the normal prices they go for right now, I prefer if they remain at 7.11-7.22 like suggested here 5 days ago, since then people are less tempted to try and sell them for more..
I begrudgingly would have to agree with you. This suggestion, and potentially the other one as well, are both no longer indicative of the market. I won't make another suggestion myself, but I wish anyone the best of luck if they make one.
I am not liking this sudden surge of keys in value of the market, if I am honest, but it seems the hype is there and there is no stopping it now; I can only hope it is somewhat restrained in its rise in its suggested value.
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*pulls out pipe* where the smoke goes I vote, up.
Bots manipulate this economy though..
Well if a bot is buying for higher when why should we keep it a a clearly inaccurate price?
Why u want to up the price == if u make it to 7.22, it will make people who sell it for 7.33-7.44
He has linked many buyers for 7.22 ref, meaning you can already easily sell for 7.22 ref. And already people are buying for 7.33 so your logic doesnt work.
Weird. The price was really stable for almost a solid month, then it just began the rise again... is there a reason for this?
On the suggestion, looks like you have enough buyers to add 7.22 to the range, I will vote up.
As much as I hate keys going up, you have my up vote -_-
All i see is 1 7.22 seller on classifieds and rest of listing is 7.33
Also quite few key bots already give 7.22 refined per key, so why would anyone sell below 7.22 refined anyway.
I got a key yesterday for 7 ref, i got extremely lucky, Don't make me go to history and screen shot, otherwise i may as well put in all my scrap.tf bought keys, and it will take forever xD But this bump is good :)
And its started again. With a break 2 months ago. They started again to raise up the price from keys.
I've seen mass buyers at 7.33, so the current price is definitely too low. Upvote
I can already see key holders rubbing their hands together, knowing how much $.30 refine metals they were going to get. :P
Upvote. Amazing proof and WOW there are so many bots.
Also.. I added a bot that buys keys for 7.22. http://steamcommunity.com/id/gunner/
Key bots and russian phishers.
OT: With all those 7.22 buyers I'm afraid I'll have to upvote.
I sold a key for 7.11 ref and then rebought for 7.44 ref, idk what am I'm doing with my life..
Gawd, no need for rising tha price... People always buys them with overpay, no matter was it 7.22 or 5.77
personal opinion- they sell very fast for 7.22 and with all of the 7.22 buyers (ive been buying for 7.33) thats 7.22 should be the range. its probably too earily for 7.33 though
Good proof upvote, 8 ref here we come
Tired of Keys going up but you provided the evidence; Up-Vote from me.
Was gonna do this later today - proof is pretty solid. To confirm this and keep it updated you should and some more new buyer threads if possible, just to verify that people are currently buying for your suggested range.
Got my vote.
:insert Anakin: Now THIS is key suggesting! Upvote.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18582100 2 keys for 5ref #lowerthekeyz
only joking :3
All the proofs are from TF2Outpost.......
Here's Buyer links from Bazaar.(There's loads of buying at 7 ref,but 7.11 ref is already ignored so i wont bother about the 7 ref ones.Idk if i should inclue the _Buy now_ links for 7.11,i dont have any ways to check if they get traded or not.)
Buying at 7.11,no one interested.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/726467 19 hours ago,still no reply.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/723955 2 Days,no reply.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/721080 5 days ago. No reply
http://bazaar.tf/trade/716911 From 1 week,Also buying Dota keys.Also no reply.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/720977 5 Days ago too.No reply too.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/727677 1 hour ago. But looking at state of others?...
http://bazaar.tf/trade/714660 1 week ago,no replies too.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/723955 2 days ago. Noooo reeepliiiiiiies.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/726467 19 hours ago,no replies
http://bazaar.tf/trade/631079 Old trade,last reply for 7.11 was 1 week ago.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/457536 Old Trade,new reply=....loong time already
http://bazaar.tf/trade/724772 2 Days ago,6 views & no replies?Yeah...
http://bazaar.tf/trade/637891 2 months old but only 48 views,no replies too.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/727478 3 hours ago,2 views. Blatant reselling to 7.33 too
http://bazaar.tf/trade/720977 5 days ago,5 views,no replies,need i say more?
http://bazaar.tf/trade/727264 8 hours,2 views,buying for 7.16.No replies too.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/727484 4 hours ago,3 views,no replies.Take a guess.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/723772 3 days ago,4 views,no replies.What to say...
http://bazaar.tf/trade/716433 7h-ago.3views,noreply.OutOfSmart@ssThingsTo say
http://bazaar.tf/trade/716433 1week ago,4 views,no replies,yeah,im drained.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/706725 2 weeks ago,2 views,1 is probably from me,LOL.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/723244 3 days ago,3 views,HL 3Conf-,nvm,doing it wrong
http://bazaar.tf/trade/709431 1 week ago,41 views,latest reply=1 week ago too.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/691308 1 week ago,194 views,1 reply.blatant resell to 7.44
http://bazaar.tf/trade/727117 11 hours ago,5 views,no replies.Doesnt resell.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/710984 1weekago,8 views,no replies.I agree,HL3 Confirmed!
http://bazaar.tf/trade/703793 2weeks ago,16 views,no replies.Nothing witty here.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/691075 3 weeks ago,39 views,no replies. Im tired... .__.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/725998 1 day ago,36 views,no replies. Thunder name,riiight.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/719469 6 days ago,6 views,no replies. Nice name,Vortex.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/698149 3weeksago,4Views,noreplies.Commander is ignored.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/715305 1 week ago,7 views,no replies..WT*s your name LOL
http://bazaar.tf/trade/722150 4 days ago,4 views,no replies.Capsed are Capsed.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/302718 Old Trade,but latest reply was 1 month ago.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/723489 3 days ago,1 view.Poor bastard...LOL
http://bazaar.tf/trade/621704 Old Trade,latest reply was for 2 keys,1 week ago.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/691269 3w ago,19 views,1 reply that was 2w ago to trade.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/525390 4months,8views.NoReplies.Must suck to be him/her..
http://bazaar.tf/trade/719408 6 days ago,11 views,no replies..
http://bazaar.tf/trade/722813 3 days ago,im the first view O_O LOL.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/713854 1 week ago,11 views,no replies.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/719929 6 days ago,im the first view,no replies,duh...
Succesfull sellers for 7.11.(WOW,some still exist o.o)
http://bazaar.tf/trade/622354 someone added 21 hours ago.
He's a nice guy anyway.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/699188 2 weeks ago,someone bought 3 days ago O_O
No fair,he got one because of Bacon in his name LOL
http://bazaar.tf/trade/639538 Old trade,but someone replied 5 days ago. Cant trade for 7 days but already -sealed the deal-,could be cancelled though.
Buying at 7.22
http://bazaar.tf/trade/705900 Is a bot though.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/713071 Posted 1 week ago. NO REPLIES O_O
http://bazaar.tf/trade/705874 2 weeks ago.No replies too,but its a bot anyway.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/709963 1 Week ago.No reply too,maybe only Tra-offers?
http://bazaar.tf/trade/726684 16 hours ago.Link-spam though.Buy-now too.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/700342 2 weeks ago.Blatant resell for 7.44,riiight.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/725272 1 Day Ago. Its anotehr Buy-Now though.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/727500 3 Hours ago,aaand another Buy Now.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/726704 2 days ago,yet another Buy Now.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/713071 1 week ago. No replies..Not Buy now for this one.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/726816 Buy Now.Again.and again.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/713071 Trade for 7.22_Quick sell_,suuuure.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/726009 Another 7.22 that isnt Buy Now. At least they talk.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/722501 4 Days ago,26 views. No replies,idk o.o
http://bazaar.tf/trade/722435 4 days ago too,someone added 1 day ago to sell.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/444029 OldTrade.Latest= 3weeksago.Resell=7.55..LOL
http://bazaar.tf/trade/727044 O_O 12 hours ago,only 3 views?No replies,duh..LOL
http://bazaar.tf/trade/724685 ...2 days ago,2 views only,no replies...i sense doom.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/689750 3Weeks ago,46views,oh hi,a bot! :D
http://bazaar.tf/trade/726826 14 hours ago,4 views,no replies too.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/717521 Yay,another bot :D
http://bazaar.tf/trade/707902 2 weeks ago,1 reply,9 views. Reply=added to sell.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/703890 2weeksago16Views1Rply.Reply says _7.33_...LOL
http://bazaar.tf/trade/722928 3 days ago,2 views,no replies...seriously?
http://bazaar.tf/trade/723628 3d ago,15 views,no repli- OHH,HI BOT :D
http://bazaar.tf/trade/635711 old trade,but,latest reply was 1 week ago.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/239656 Old trade,no repleis,probably edited to be 7.22.
Buyers at 7.33 Ref
http://bazaar.tf/trade/693170 Its a buy now,but it still counts.
Hope its enough. I really noticed how TF2outpost is the only -place-,making it abit too closed. At least here,it also has bazaar.tf links too. That way,moar proof.
Upvote,as much as it puffs & stings me to do so...
BTW hi o.o, the legendary Backpack.tf.... LOL
Yes,its my first post. I dont have much stuffs since i have to load up Steam Wallet first. But ,yeah,ill go into serious-level trading soon too.
before a key becomes 30 ref each
edit: I'd go on a trivia about what Bazaar means and how nice it would be to buy food from a real one,but i should rest instead,LOL.
Thanks very much for the extra proof, your help is greatly appreciated!
Glad i could :D
Hmm,does this coutn as -not useful-? .__.
10-ref Keys here we come QQ
This won't stop, the prices go up cause bot owners raise them and people will buy it for that price cause backpack.tf is backing them up after a few days. Bot owner's on popular sites know that so they aren't interested in keeping the price low. If backpack tf would say 1 key is 6 ref and won't raise it every month, people would finally realise that there's no point of wasting 7.33 ref on a key when it's worth only 6 and would eventually stop buying from bots. Maybe most keys would end up with the bots as they still payed a nice sum, but they were unable to sell them for that price. Most of the poeple still check the backpack price and try to buy/sell the keys for them, so this site defines the price, but all what people see is that backpack tf is unsure about the price and keeps changing it so it make this site untrustworthy. Be serious. If we wanted to be reasonable we could just simply say 1 key is 6 ref and nothing can change that. After a few weeks that would be the price and we could put an end to this nonesense inflation.
You copied/pasted the proof from the other Key suggestion...
Is that even allowed on other suggestions? I mean, did you even ask the owner's consent to allow you to copy/paste his hard work for finding the proof? (Even though the proof is still good...)
Link to the proof's owner and his suggestion: [url]http://backpack.tf/vote/id/532531a84dd7b8a3418b456a[/url]
Um Lol? You copied this exactly - http://backpack.tf/vote/id/532531a84dd7b8a3418b456a
They posted that first, then the other guy copied it into proof for the other suggestion, the times were about half a day off, so it shows the same date, at least for now.
So, I was in need of a few ref, and I listed my key for 7.22, here http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18585604
I got 3 adds in about 30 seconds. I'd say that this bump is even a bit conservative. Upvote, although I'd much rather the price stay at the incorrect price of 7.11, if only because it keeps the market stable.
I just instasold 2 for 7.33
Those are still in your inventory.... you're trying to manipulate proof -.-
Check my History, you infidel. I had 4 this morning, and i traded two of them this evening for 14.66. AS YOU CAN SEE (even if I bought some festive stuff), I do have that metal in my inventory (that is now 11.33). You imbecil.
You could provide screenshots of your inventory history instead of insulting other users.
It is unfair to the community when bots buy keys for 1 scrap more, sell for 2 scrap more. We follow this and raise the price. This is unjustifiable to all the traders in this market. Sadly, if keys are to go to 10 ref, we will have the worst market available
The last suggestion was accepted 1 week ago... Wait Atleast 2 weeks...
keys need to keep its value its the only way to open boxes so for this it would be worth wild to increase ref on the keys
Although this will be a never-ending cycle, the only thing key inflation will do is make it a slightly bigger pain to get refs and items into keys. The proof seems valid though, so it has my upvote.
in fact, the constant growing value of the key is determining by this votes: people see that key is growing and try to buy em as fast as they can, and those dudes who wanna get the profit like 1-2 scraps use this circumstance.It is not so hard for a random trader to overpay like 1 scrap for fast trade. And when there are a lot of such deals in the outpost, someone is making the topic that should rise the key value up again and again. It seems like the Giffen`s paradox. But idk when this constant growing will and, or will it and anytime, and will it destroy mann-conomy or
not( Hope it will not.
They dun know the Giffen`s paradox, even if they do, they don't give no ****.
This is what happen when some people with no economics bg is part of the regulatory system.
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/trade_tf#events/1856913217404823401 take note that swag is buying at 7.33 each
Why do you guys want to turn TF2 trading into businesses? Just stop increasing the price of key!
I still haven't had the least bit of trouble buying keys at 7 ref. I've even bought a few lower. But that's all on trade servers and I also see people buying keys for 7.22... Idk...
Damn, last time I checked key prices it was 3 ref.....
Good old days when keys were worth 2.55-2.66, this inflation is pretty ridiculous, i guess it will stop someday, otherwise the economy would be a ****storm, more then what it already is
Try hiding the key price on bp.tf, I assure you the price wont rise no more.
I'm sorry but I'm not upvoting this while it's been 2 days since the market price (tax not included) is freaking $1,84
While my trade post was not listed http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18483488 it has been up for 6 days and while no one has posted on it, I have gotten 4 people who sold a total of 6 keys to me in the last 3 days. As this is my only source of trading, it is the only place they found my offer of 7 refined. With over 100 trades in the last few days, I will only provide proof of these 6 sales if requested, seeing as 6 keys isnt going to make or break the voting on this matter. Just trying to show though that with some PATIENCE, you can still find keys at 7 refined.
Edit, here is proof of 4 keys bought in the last 24 hours. http://i.imgur.com/kXYJb4B.png
What's the point of suggesting higher prices? Sellers will keep asking for 0.11-0.22 more than the backpack.tf price anyways... Upvote :3
The amount of right you are...
Yet all these wrongs don't make a right. Still, much proof. Many links. Upvote.
you uncrated: a upvote
I would like to point out that no matter how many keys I sell to bots.tf for 7.22, the key count always ends up going to 0 at some point when bots.tf was selling for 7.33 and selling for 7.44.
Trying to stay on topic but just gonna point out:
As of this message there are two key price suggestions out, meaning that the overall proof is far greater for both and because there are TWO suggestions for the key price, the chances of acceptance of either suggestion going through has literally doubled.
Just wanted to put that out there.
Easy upvote, way too many buyers at 7.22. Should raise to 7.22-7.33 in the next few days/weeks, 7.33 is totally possible, bit to early to include that in the range yet.
This community surprises me everyday...
The key just got up to 7.11 and we're already havin' a 7.22?! That escalated quickly... But hey, it's keys, they WILL escalate quick... Always...
In 2011 I made a joke about keys prices being 10.00 knowing that it would never happen... *sigh* How naive I was... At this rate it will be 10.00 soon and my joke will become a profecy.
That's the reason why I don't buy keys or anything that worth 1 key+...
I don't like all this inflation at all. The proof is in the links though. I just hope things smooth out before some sort of crash happens.
should be a solid 7 ref...I would add this as a suggestion (but no priority)
Stop this inflation, no metter what the price is, the bots and users will be always trading 1 or 2 scraps higher, if you vote this up, we will need a new vote next week and the price will raise again.
I know that bp.tf should reflect the price on the market, but keys are real money, must be a different regulation on this item.
Stop this inflation, no metter what the prce is, the bots and users will be always trading 1 or 2 scraps higher, if you vote this up, we will need a new vote next week and the price will raise again.
I've sold 5 keys and counting for 7.33
only 5??? wow if u will sell to 7 u will can sell more.
You can go on trade servers and buy keys for 7.11, you go here or to outpost and seeing there are mainly people who are trying to make profit with keys. Why do we price keys based on these people who want to make profit? The only reason that people ask for more and more for keys is because they blindly follow backpack or want to make profit. I have nothing against backpack but seriously this needs to stop. This is my opinion, I don't see you guys changing it so just give me some hate comments if I am so wrong. Sorry for this rant. I'm sorry that this suggestion will eventually get accepted
Take it to the forums.
Before I go through your rules, can you tell me what was wrong with my comment and It would be nice if you just don't delete this too. I just don't understand.
Miyamoto: Please try to understand. We're doing what we can.
When it was just about to look like bp.tf got it's **** together...
I don't know what to say, except I can see cleverpun's alt is making a good-looking key suggestion.
What do u want with this voting?? break the game economy??
look u proof is so poor only post with add msgs...
how do u proof the final trade? take SS and post this not post the ADDED msg.
7 ref is Overpriced tf2 is losing players each day and the ref will need raise not the keys.
this price manipulation need finish.
To add on to my further comment about bots, back when keys were 7 ref apiece, scrap.tf had maybe like 170 keys at any given time. Now, they consistently have less than 10.
I have also been paying attention to what's been happening on Outpost lately and I've seen quite a few 7.22 sells being instasales.
brought over 100+ keys, no big deal. upchuck
This link is wrong. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13990056 -bot out of stock they buy for 7.11 and sell for 7.22. Just thought i would let you know.
Plenty of proof unfortunately for myself, my "large" unboxing spree better happen quick, or I could lose out on a lot of scrap metal :)
You have my vote.
so many links
guys , don't cry if keys go up. Its the way life work like when car fuel goes up and when rice goes up. Upvoted for good proof.
price shouldn't go too high 7.11 is good, it should only go up if ref is going to fall a lot more
just bumped my trade buying for 7.11
instantly bought 2
7.11 should be in teh range upboatz
Its this site that raises the prices lol plain and simple, i cant believe il say this but i miss the original spreadsheet LOL
it takes the under dog to get the range right
Please....stop the price of these keys....stupid idea to grow the price ...
So many 7.33 buyers now.
Put one up for 7.33. 5 adds in a minute.
The butthurt on here is delicious.
This gets a downvote from me simply because I agree with the other suggestion. 7.11 is pretty much a quicksell at this point. It should be sliced from the range.
People will always want more than what the price is so why do you bother.
I miss these times when keys were only 5.22 ref or so... Now they're expensive as f***.
damn why does there have to be two ;-; I don't want to have to pick
I'm going with vince's, feeling like finding a 7.33 buyer is becoming easier and easier...
The proof provided shows 7.11 happens often enough that it should be in the range. The 7.22 flat suggestion doesn't show convincingly enough sales at 7.33 to balance out the trades happening at 7.11. Both the suggester and community have had 5 days to provide supplemental proof to convince us (the mods and the rest of the community) that 7.22 flat is better, but they have not done so.
Going with the suggestion that has proof to support the range AND the community vote.
As always, key cooldown rules are still in effect. http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/2620-key-cooldown-guidelines-read-before-making-key-suggestions/