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Solds all within the past 18 hours of my post on the previous key suggestion. For context, this counter-proof was on it, and the suggestion was passed within an hour of my post. I believe it to be incorrect price point as the market stands.

Proof


Sold


http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254321 uh

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256237 5.22 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255416 5.33 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257076 5.66 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255068 5.66 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262194 5.66 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262028 5.66 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15252021 9 for 5.88 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265036 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262161 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263487 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262828 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256825 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256794 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257580 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257247 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261421 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262815 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262717 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254938 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262662 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251028 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262379 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261268 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253930 6 ref unbumped

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262763 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254733 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263372 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257673 6 ref for 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263475 9 for 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256016 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15249629 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15249594 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259174 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258553 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265810 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257901 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265878 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258118 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253608 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257148 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256094 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258114 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253270 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15252385 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15250993 6 ref 4

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253243 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15250924 6 ref

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9855038 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253270 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263705 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259699 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251874 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254093 6 ref unbumped

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9855591 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15260852 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259736 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253063 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251471 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15260704 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264653 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255794 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261950 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261691 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256562 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261986 6.05 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261123 6.05 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261092 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256006 6.11 ref?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15260912 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264042 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254062 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255387 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15249586 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253451 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253037 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15252990 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251977 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255165 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253139 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254910 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265827 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15252259 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15250257 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15249293 6.11 ref

http://bazaar.tf/trade/500916 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15250179 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15250053 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15252232 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253783 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251539 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15250021 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15249994 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15249841 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251508 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253686 6.11 ref

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9854884 6.11 ref

http://bazaar.tf/trade/501096 6.11

http://bazaar.tf/trade/501616 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262863 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256623 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254676 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254265 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251195 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254216 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254139 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256044 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256586 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265027 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255784 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256197 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255122 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256996 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265013 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253065 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257229 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257647 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257639 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256566 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257637 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259400 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255484 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263128 6.11 ref started at 6.22

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263563 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258574 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262984 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15260052 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15260671 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15260630 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263130 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259853 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262159 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262719 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263524 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263627 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264142 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258028 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263805 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264102 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258079 key shop, bought 1 6.11 ref and sold 1 6.22 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253112 6.16

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259364 has an add at 6.16

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263824 buying 6.05 selling 6.16

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258573 6.16 each

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259875 6.22 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15250782 6.22 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259388 sold 1 for 6.22

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258629 2 for 6.22

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257894 6.22 ref

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9855303 6.22 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255780 6.22 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15252057 6.22 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261322 6.22 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251348 6.22 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251885 6.22 ref 4


Selling


http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265286 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263457 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265248 6 ref

http://bazaar.tf/trade/501533 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264545 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256031 6.11 ref unbumped

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263072 6.11 ref sold 1

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9856071 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253637 6.11 ref unbumped

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254535 6.11 ref unbumped

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265236 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264926 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264898 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263063 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253261 6.11 ref unbumped

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263201 6.22 ref ( no bites)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257850 1 for 6.22 sold 1


Additional context


http://imgur.com/a/FwtD2 43 closed bp.tf classified listings. If you're too lazy to go through them, there are 23 6.11 ref sales, 20 6 ref sales, 1 6.05 ref sale, 2 5.88 sales, 1 6.16 sale, and ~4 6.22 sales.


http://imgur.com/a/OZDnA Me buying/selling keys on trade servers for 6 ref. Have some buys from scrap.tf on there at 6.11 but not really as relevant. I really don't buy that many keys lol, I do see advertisements at 6 more than this. I've literally never had to buy a key for 6.22, even when I was desperate lol


http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15249920


Conclusion


The actual opened and finished trades during the past 18 hours tell a very different story than the one that is being passed off as fact from the recently accepted suggestion with baseless links. In my opinion, this shows that 6.22 has absolutely no place in the range (like I've been saying all week). Whether or not 6 ref directly belongs in the range is up for debate, but 6.11 implicitly covers both 6.22 and 6 as selling points that happen but not as frequently/consistantly. Feel free to agree and feel free to disagree, please check my links and please let me know if you think 6-6.11 was/is a better price point, (I don't believe it is as the market stands now) or even if the accepted suggestions range is "correct". Do not upvote simply because of a down arrow on a key suggestion, skews the result, especially since I'm "technically" still rising them here.. Please back up any of your statements with proof/counter-proof (screenshots are the best) or don't make them at all. Thanks.

Need More at 6.11, you are only proofing that the last current range is fine.

    I'm not seeing "fine" here. I'm seeing a speculative price point and I'm seeing a vast majority of the new keys put up in the past 18 hours being under the new range/at the bottom end of it. If i literally have to counter-prove those bad 6.22-6.33 links I will, but it really seems excessive. I took a look at them before, and they legitimately looked straight up bad.

    The previous suggestion was just passed a few hours ago. You must wait a week before creating a new suggestion.

      Unless a Counter Suggestion I believe...

        not necessarily. if you have good enough proof and a "nice" range you are fine to do another suggestion.

          any proof of unsold at 6.22-6.33 would help

          unsolds at 6.22 ?

            Alot of proof and the key got very high price,upvote.

              very nice proof upvote

                As much as i want this to pass, i will remain neutral for the time being. However, here is some more.

                http://prntscr.com/1zs6y0

                http://prntscr.com/1zs6zv

                http://prntscr.com/1zs71k

                http://prntscr.com/1zs73f


                All bought at 6 ref each.


                Goodluck with this mate.

                  Go go go. Upvote.

                    Still very doable even at 6 refined! 6.11 refined is just easy cakes.

                    upvote.

                      Bought a few off a guy for 6 ref each. It wasn't my original intention to buy keys off him but he suggested the price after adding me to buy something else. http://imgur.com/CjwST5d

                      I feel as though the last key pricing suggestion was a little early and unjustified.

                          > Or if you do not agree with the last change, you may suggest to revert back with supporting proof and arguments. < thats exactly what he is doing

                              it is still a counter suggestion as said at the top of the suggestion

                                  "I believe it to be incorrect price point as the market stands." that's what PPMja said

                                    It was a cluster fuck on that suggestion. I don't think Mr. Bucket saw it before he accepted it, I got no justification for why my counter-proof wasn't taken into consideration. Now stop spamming about the rules please, mods will dictate whether or not this is within the parameters of the rules, and if it isn't, if an exception should be made. Your comments aren't at all productive/pertinent to the content of the suggestion itself

                                      yea my apologies for the spam. and its not like disagree with the suggestion just quickly trying to change the price not back to what it was didnt seem in the rules to me, but i could be wrong just sayin. ill hide the rest of the comments though

                            Nice proof here, wasn't expecting this.


                            Upvote, maybe in a few weeks we should be able to decrease the range down to 6-6.11.

                                After reading the first sentence... *facepalm*

                                Finally keys are going down again supply>demand :) Upvote

                                  Except they aren't going down at all? It's an adjustment to the range. Technically they're just going from 6-6.11 to 6.11 flat. Still going up :/

                                    About that supply > demand thing... It'll be demand > supply when Halloween comes.

                                    I don't even know how the previous suggestion passed. This one seems better. Hope it passes .. Otherwise GG economy. ;s

                                      Keys are going down ?

                                      Seriously?


                                      Am I dreaming?


                                      UPVOTE!

                                        6.11 ref is clearly a quicksell.

                                        A few examples.

                                        http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15198056 - sold after 5 views

                                        http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15250179 - sold after 7 views

                                        http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251539 - sold after 13 views

                                        http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264042 - sold after 9 views


                                        Proving that 6.11 is nearly impossible to get, or you should camp trade.tf/outpost.


                                        I'd personally see more trades like this http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259947 - unsold 6.22 ref 11 hours with autobump to get my upvote.

                                          The only opinions I've really cared about on this are the dissenting ones, (yours and T.K.'s) and they're somewhat valid in theory. However, labeling 6.11 as a "quicksell" is highly presumptuous. Your examples (one being a 6 ref thread, one only selling a single key, one selling 2 keys and raising his price) prove nothing, much less your broad-reaching statement. My 6-6.11 posts are within the last 18 hours, and they're just from the very places where people constantly profiteer and flip keys for a scrap, and don't even take into account trade servers, where I constantly see keys being sold for 6 and 6.11. You think keys selling for under bot low points selling relatively quickly definitively proves anything? Try to make the argument with proof instead of just a statement, very hard to do.


                                          You and T.K. want 6.22 unsolds, and honestly without context this proof would be very weak validation of my price point, and most likely a waste of my time to find. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15066751 it's like, for example, me posting this week old bumped trade at 6.22 and pretending it means something lol. Sales at 6.22 happen. I'm not questioning it and I'm not necessarily trying to even invalidate it, since 6.22 exists implicitly within a 6.11 price point. However, these sales exist out of convenience and are a result of a combination of profiteering, bulk buying habits, and bots. The 6.11-6.22 range implies 6.33 as being a price point, and while there are already bots out there selling for 6.33, I just don't see it.

                                            you are confusing selling fast with quickselling, Selling fast being wow they sold fast at 6.11, quick selling being 'I'm selling this for way cheeper then its genraly worth so it sells faster cause I need the metal."


                                              I meant "selling extremely fast".

                                              What you are trying to do: remove 6.22 from the range.


                                              What you have done: give a ton of proof of solds at 6 ref and 6.11.


                                              What you should have done: show unsolds at 6.22, OR suggest a different range like 6-6.11, where your proof actually supports that claim.


                                              I'm not biased toward or against keys here, I'm just looking at the proof vs. suggested price and trying to give constructive feedback. Good job! =)

                                                Well no, not really. I believe the suggestion being passed in the first place was a mistake, so in reality I'm trying to demonstrate a more accurate price point. Anyone who knows anything about the market right now would tell you that going back to 6-6.11 would be a bit silly right now, despite the data showing quite a few 6 ref sales. Those have occurred despite having active, successful buyers at 6.11. You could make an argument for 6.22 unsolds not invalidating the current range, since it's technically still a higher price than the average. In my opinion, demonstrating frequent sales lower than the average was more important, and is the most valid proof that can't be completely invalidated or ignored, only argued against. But yeah I agree, in a normal situation, to actually lower the price point of keys when they had a valid accurate price, I would have to show that 6.22 is a price point that doesn't move. Appreciate the feedback

                                                  Also quick tangent: LOL http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15180267 http://www.tf2outpost.com/backpack/273449 I knew your name looked familiar from op surfing for proof.


                                                  I know any logical person wouldn't let their huge stake in key prices affect their judgement, but I'd just love to see you make a key suggestion sometime with 1055 raw keys in your bp to see people rage hue

                                                    I love how you say that 6-6.11 sales happen all the time and then you exclude 90% of the 6.22 sales.

                                                    What the last suggestion suggested:

                                                    Remove 6 from range and add 6.22


                                                    What it did:

                                                    Showed many selllers and solds for 6.11 and some for 6.22 but nothing at all for 6


                                                    And it got accepted. Don't ask why because there were never any reason.

                                                    Does this change the price of other items? (Real world money)

                                                        up up up vote

                                                          From personal experience I have never seen a key sell for 6.22 out side of bible.tf or tf2overpay(OP).com (see what I did there) I play tf2 alot(too much one might say) and I moderate for darkly so I get draged into to all the server to deal with spammers or middle man crabs. I see keys sell here and there 6ref 6.11 never have I seen a key sell for 6.22 in a real trading server enviroment. even today after I saw the sugestion go up from the pricelist update plugin some one said in chat "well crap I sold some at 6ref, what ever" then go back to selling them @ 6ref.

                                                          Am I dreaming? First refined metal, now keys, Yes please, upvoting!

                                                              eh?

                                                              what mate

                                                                    And a little bit of extra info, I get ALL of my money from the steam market, selling trading cards :OOOOOOOOOOO OMG I get free keys for doing -nothing- Sitting in a game and idling .

                                                                      Stop flaming. Don't give clever a reason to start giving warnings. Nothing you're saying here is constructive

                                                                        Clearly not flaming, if you can't understand how to run a market..

                                                                      wut?

                                                                  So you're saying that i shouldnt buy oil when there are these big-ass companies around that sell it ? People are manipulative get over it.

                                                                    Oil isn't inflated, Lol. We're going to war for it? T

                                                                      What do you mean noone needs keys anymore ? Then what else do people need ???

                                                                        I mean that in last weeks people buy keys like crazy because they know the will raise ,but people don't need them so much when they are so overpriced

                                                                        upvoted :D

                                                                          I'm all for lowering the price of keys, and even more so, I'd really like to see them at a whole-number price (i.e.: 6 ref instead of 5.88 or 6.11) just so it makes it easier for trading purposes. From what I see, I actually think you may have enough proof to get this one passed. Best of luck to you with this suggestion.

                                                                            Upvoted, downfall of the keys, we have freedom to even do something about the upvote of the rising of the keys we have to provide proof so that keys could downfall not provide more proof for the uprising of the keys for now...

                                                                              lol, I was the first to lower key price. Doesn't change the flow of things, it will still go up. Anyways, upvote, much more realistic pricing.

                                                                                Little bro bought 4 at 6 ref each yesterday. Upvote. Ref going up? Keys going down? Buds under 18 keys?? What the heck is going on the the price of currencies?!

                                                                                  Ref and Keys, I couldn't even tell you. I've heard that buds tend to crash around Halloween every year...

                                                                                  Wow, fantastic proof!!


                                                                                  Too bad I can only upvote once D:

                                                                                      I appreciate your caring for key prices but here's the flaw with your suggestion: You aren't showing why 6.22 is impossible. Key high-ends aren't quicksells, they actually need bumps which is why there's a purpose of a range. You also have a very minimal amount of 6.11 solds


                                                                                      From your "selling"

                                                                                      All of your 6 ref links is a quicksell = useless. Also because there are many buyers available for 6.11. If I need to resort to that I will.

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264545 6.11 ref [Sold within an hour]

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256031 6.11 ref unbumped [Was AFK and came back online]

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263072 6.11 ref sold 1 [Sold both within an hour]

                                                                                      http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9856071 6.11 ref [Offline]

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253637 6.11 ref unbumped --> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15275519 [Selling for 6.22]

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254535 6.11 ref unbumped[Offline]

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265236 6.11 ref [Sold his whole stock in 2 hours]

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264926 6.11 ref [Sold within an hour, appeared to be afk a bit]

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264898 6.11 ref [Never bumped, afk as I added him and won't respond]

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263063 6.11 ref [Unbumped, afk as I added him and won't repond]

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253261 6.11 ref unbumped [Offline]

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263201 6.22 ref ( no bites) --> http://puu.sh/500wB.png

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257850 1 for 6.22 sold 1 [Sold both within 2 hours]


                                                                                      Naturally if you're lowering a price, it must be hard to sell at 6.22? I tested that out myself

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15274991 --> http://puu.sh/503X1.png

                                                                                      Got an add within 5 minutes.

                                                                                      Trying again... http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15276755


                                                                                      6.22-6.33 solds

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15274192

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15273908

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15273807 - his name was S>key for 6.22

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15273704 - unclear

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15273532

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15273151 - sold 3

                                                                                      http://puu.sh/500MW.png

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15272634

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15272558 - unclear

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15272480

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15272300

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15271782 - sold 6?

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15271672 - uc = unclear

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15271557

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15271504

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15271330

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15271150

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15271010

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15271009

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15271007

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15270841

                                                                                      http://puu.sh/501aW.png

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15270557 - uc

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15270446

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15270380

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15269943 - uc

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15269721 - 6.16

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15269131 - uc

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15269004

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15268925

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15268777

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15268741

                                                                                      http://puu.sh/501th.png

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15268605

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15268226

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15268032

                                                                                      http://puu.sh/501D6.png

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15267848 - uc

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15267659

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15267589

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15267273 --> http://puu.sh/501HM.png

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15267187

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15267022

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15266681

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15266541

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15266496 - uc

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15266346 - uc

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15266274

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15266271

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265424

                                                                                      http://puu.sh/501TP.png

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265182

                                                                                      http://puu.sh/501Ww.png

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264714

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264158

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264071

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263934 - uc

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263893

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263824 - 6.16

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262766 - sold 4

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262489

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262252

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262183

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261292

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261322

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261138

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259875

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259782 --> http://puu.sh/502E6.png

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259388

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259364 - 6.16

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259324

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259173

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258801

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257894

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257850

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257434

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257416

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257235

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257105

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256743

                                                                                      http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9855303

                                                                                      http://puu.sh/5030i.png http://puu.sh/50315.png

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255780

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255518

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255499

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254980

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254895

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254198

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254018

                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253837 - uc

                                                                                      6.22 seems very possible, current range is fine.

                                                                                            awesome proofs, that's a very good work!

                                                                                                http://i.imgur.com/pOWCo0a.png


                                                                                                All bought for 6 ref within about 15 seconds of bumping the trade. Upvote, and good luck brave soldier.

                                                                                                  it's happening i knew affter the price of metal would go up keys would go down now because of the price of keys going down buds and bill's should go back up

                                                                                                    Bought today 10 for 6 ref each. (I put Toss Proof Towel as 2 ref)

                                                                                                    http://scr.hu/0kk9/3jy9u

                                                                                                      is ridiculous this still up 11hours was accepted new price, and already this suggestion where we see more key for 6.22 refined or more many of them in claisificados backpack.tf , tf2outpost.com and bazaar.tf . ultimately

                                                                                                        Counterproof suggestions are an exception to this, as stated above.

                                                                                                        yea, still possible to buy them for 6 ref - 6.11 easily, upvoted

                                                                                                          Upvote! And i have still that key: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15175443

                                                                                                            People who are down voting this just don't want to lower their bp value.

                                                                                                                I don't have outpost for this, but it seems as though whenever I'm on a trade server it is very rare to get under 6.22, so I actually believe this to be correct.

                                                                                                                    I don't think anyone ever tried to bring the price down for keys for a while now, everyone was so busy increasing it. There are two more key suggestion beside yours and all of them are trying to lower down the key price. All of you have solid good proof. It all comes down to who will get accepted.


                                                                                                                    I have looked at your proofs, they are valid and excellent. What I believe though is that, the last suggestion was not as correct. The last suggestion added many 6.11 but not so many 6.22 and still got accepted, not sure why.


                                                                                                                    What I also believe is that keys should have range. One of the suggestion suggested 6-6.22 with good proof. 6 ref is still doable. 6.11 is the current ongoing sale, and 6.22 is a new start. So, 6-6.22 seems like a fair range and price for key I would say.


                                                                                                                    Hands-up to you sir, for finally trying to bring the key to stable price. Good luck. =)

                                                                                                                      i dont know if i should say yes or no you have huge amount of proof that i like :) but in the end well it pass or not we will all see :O

                                                                                                                        All these flames for a scrap difference ...

                                                                                                                          iv sold 4 keys for 6.22 so im kinda neutral about this

                                                                                                                            also think a fair price is 6- 6.22 xD lol jsut want this key price crap to stop and just let it stay at a price for once

                                                                                                                              just sold 2 more for 6.22, they sell

                                                                                                                              I wouldn't say much about this because most those trade looks like quicksells. (Didn't go through all)

                                                                                                                              Though you given many which are sold at those price, but those are just SOLD ones, it isn't as easy as finding people who are selling at that price. Most people who sell a key for 6.11 won't go longer than a day.

                                                                                                                              At this moment maybe 6.22 ref would be "kinda" hard to sell, but give it a few days and see it again. According to the past, 6.22 ref will slowly and slowly become a quicksell and then the key would increase again (This is how it went from 5.88 ref to now.)

                                                                                                                                not really but that is ur opinion

                                                                                                                                  I get a warm and fuzzy feeling when keys are dropped :3

                                                                                                                                    They aren't dropping though. They're still rising from 6-6.11 up to 6.11 flat. We're just adjusting the range because many others disagree that 6.22 isn't supposed to be there.

                                                                                                                                    This is one of TF2's miracles. Keys can't get much higher, they NEED to lower.

                                                                                                                                        i would upvote but there are to many of them so now I can only downvote or stay neutral .-.

                                                                                                                                          If this does get pass, I wonder if it will start a hype to bring down the price.

                                                                                                                                            Thats a good proof upvoted!

                                                                                                                                                  Prove it. 2.33-2.66 will never happen again.

                                                                                                                                                  Counter proof


                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14944490 (Lots of adds for 6.22)

                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13501482 (It's a bot, but people are buying)

                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15285110 (6.27)

                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15025921 (6.22)

                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13823131 (6.22, don't know if people are buying or selling)

                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15185322 (6.22)

                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261342 (6.22)

                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15172826 (6.33, 3 days ago got an add comment)

                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13968279 (6.22, bot)

                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258079 (6.22)

                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15197152 (6.33, one add)

                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15086121 (6.33, one recent add)

                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15026861 (6.33)

                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15245010 (6.22, bot)


                                                                                                                                                  I'm bored to look for any more, I don't give a shit what happens to key prices, just putting it out there that 6.22 is possible, maybe make a range.

                                                                                                                                                    Why don't you accept it already? It had enough yes votes 2 times now!!!

                                                                                                                                                      Because user votes don't matter as much when it comes to key suggestions. You have blind fools who will downvote any suggestion to rise and upvote any suggestion to drop without even thinking to look at any of the provided proof.

                                                                                                                                                      Look at that prrof seems like 6-6.11 is better price range

                                                                                                                                                        6 ref is a quicksell now :/. I'd gladly take any keys you have 6 ref, especially with bots buying them for 6.11. Anyhow, good proof, so upvote for me :D

                                                                                                                                                      "This suggestion has reached enough upvotes."


                                                                                                                                                      Well, it's about damn time if i say so myself.


                                                                                                                                                      Upgoat when i get the chance!

                                                                                                                                                          Hmmm?


                                                                                                                                                          Sorry, never heard of that.

                                                                                                                                                            k, nevermind, your comment reminded me of his song.

                                                                                                                                                        The mods had a lengthy discussion about the key suggestions. At the time the last key suggestion was accepted, we felt that 6-6.22 was the best range. Pyroman had a suggestion up at one point, but he closed it himself. In the absence of a countersuggestion, there seemed to be enough proof to justify 6.22, and 6.11 seemed genuinely the most common trade point, so 6.11-6.22 was accepted after 5 days.


                                                                                                                                                        Not much difference between 6-6.22 and 6.11 flat, but the community supports this one much strongly than the other one, and in close situations, we prefer to go with the community vote.


                                                                                                                                                        Normal key-cooldown rules still in play. Please check here before making the next key suggestion: http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/2620-key-cooldown-guidelines-read-before-making-key-suggestions/