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Solds all within the past 18 hours of my post on the previous key suggestion. For context, this counter-proof was on it, and the suggestion was passed within an hour of my post. I believe it to be incorrect price point as the market stands.
Proof
Sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254321 uh
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256237 5.22 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255416 5.33 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257076 5.66 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255068 5.66 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262194 5.66 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262028 5.66 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15252021 9 for 5.88 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265036 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262161 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263487 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262828 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256825 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256794 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257580 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257247 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261421 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262815 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262717 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254938 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262662 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251028 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262379 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261268 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253930 6 ref unbumped
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262763 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254733 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263372 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257673 6 ref for 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263475 9 for 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256016 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15249629 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15249594 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259174 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258553 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265810 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257901 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265878 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258118 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253608 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257148 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256094 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258114 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253270 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15252385 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15250993 6 ref 4
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253243 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15250924 6 ref
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9855038 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253270 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263705 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259699 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251874 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254093 6 ref unbumped
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9855591 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15260852 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259736 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253063 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251471 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15260704 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264653 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255794 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261950 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261691 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256562 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261986 6.05 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261123 6.05 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261092 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256006 6.11 ref?
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15260912 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264042 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254062 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255387 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15249586 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253451 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253037 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15252990 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251977 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255165 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253139 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254910 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265827 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15252259 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15250257 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15249293 6.11 ref
http://bazaar.tf/trade/500916 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15250179 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15250053 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15252232 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253783 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251539 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15250021 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15249994 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15249841 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251508 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253686 6.11 ref
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9854884 6.11 ref
http://bazaar.tf/trade/501096 6.11
http://bazaar.tf/trade/501616 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262863 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256623 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254676 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254265 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251195 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254216 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254139 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256044 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256586 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265027 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255784 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256197 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255122 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256996 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265013 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253065 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257229 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257647 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257639 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256566 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257637 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259400 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255484 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263128 6.11 ref started at 6.22
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263563 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258574 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262984 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15260052 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15260671 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15260630 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263130 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259853 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262159 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262719 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263524 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263627 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264142 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258028 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263805 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264102 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258079 key shop, bought 1 6.11 ref and sold 1 6.22 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253112 6.16
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259364 has an add at 6.16
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263824 buying 6.05 selling 6.16
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258573 6.16 each
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259875 6.22 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15250782 6.22 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259388 sold 1 for 6.22
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258629 2 for 6.22
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257894 6.22 ref
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9855303 6.22 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255780 6.22 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15252057 6.22 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261322 6.22 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251348 6.22 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251885 6.22 ref 4
Selling
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265286 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263457 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265248 6 ref
http://bazaar.tf/trade/501533 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264545 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256031 6.11 ref unbumped
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263072 6.11 ref sold 1
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9856071 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253637 6.11 ref unbumped
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254535 6.11 ref unbumped
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265236 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264926 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264898 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263063 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253261 6.11 ref unbumped
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263201 6.22 ref ( no bites)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257850 1 for 6.22 sold 1
Additional context
http://imgur.com/a/FwtD2 43 closed bp.tf classified listings. If you're too lazy to go through them, there are 23 6.11 ref sales, 20 6 ref sales, 1 6.05 ref sale, 2 5.88 sales, 1 6.16 sale, and ~4 6.22 sales.
http://imgur.com/a/OZDnA Me buying/selling keys on trade servers for 6 ref. Have some buys from scrap.tf on there at 6.11 but not really as relevant. I really don't buy that many keys lol, I do see advertisements at 6 more than this. I've literally never had to buy a key for 6.22, even when I was desperate lol
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15249920
Conclusion
The actual opened and finished trades during the past 18 hours tell a very different story than the one that is being passed off as fact from the recently accepted suggestion with baseless links. In my opinion, this shows that 6.22 has absolutely no place in the range (like I've been saying all week). Whether or not 6 ref directly belongs in the range is up for debate, but 6.11 implicitly covers both 6.22 and 6 as selling points that happen but not as frequently/consistantly. Feel free to agree and feel free to disagree, please check my links and please let me know if you think 6-6.11 was/is a better price point, (I don't believe it is as the market stands now) or even if the accepted suggestions range is "correct". Do not upvote simply because of a down arrow on a key suggestion, skews the result, especially since I'm "technically" still rising them here.. Please back up any of your statements with proof/counter-proof (screenshots are the best) or don't make them at all. Thanks.
99.99999% chance this wont get accepted. Need gaps between key suggestions last one got accepted only a few hours ago
0.00001% chance wins
Slow down my friend, are you saying that you support the "6.11-6.22" key range? There must be a sign of that.
It's a countersuggestion, there doesn't need to be a gap for countersuggestions (I think)
Countersuggestions are exempt from the cooldown rules
Additional proof, some successful buyers at 6 ref or lower :
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15021222 (buying for 6 ref, has over 200 keys, out of metal stock, not buying atm)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15080865 (6 ref, got many adds)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14907794 (6 ref, got many adds)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14877190 (6 ref, got many adds)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14602879 (6 ref, got many adds)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15212614 (buying for 6/6.06 ref, bought over 12)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15122944 (6 ref, got 2 adds during the last 4 hours)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14975673 (6 ref, bought over 80)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14642142 (6 ref, got multiple adds)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15214026 (6 ref, already bought some)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15185918 (6 ref, got an add for 11 keys at once, ran out of metal)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15195513 (6 ref, got many adds during last few days)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15000866 (6 ref, bought 3, trying to sell them unsuccessfully for 6.22)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15131439 (6 ref, got 3 adds in the last 3 days)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15180267 (6 ref, 1055 keys in his bp, last add yesterday)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14739351 (5.66 ref, got an add 4 days ago)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14755212 (6 ref, got many adds)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15268243 (6 ref, bought in less then 15 minutes)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253422 (6 ref, bought at least 6 keys in less then 15 hours)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14997016 (6 ref, got multiple adds)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15153939 (6 ref, bought 96 keys)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15023193 (6 ref, got an add yesterday)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14894567 (6 ref, got multiple adds, 25+ keys in his bp)
Most of those are weeks old and have updated prices as key value changed no proof that all the add comments are for 6 ref.
Also, saying "Bought X" in the trades notes doesn't mean they actually bought that many or even got any at all.
Some of them are weeks old, but they still buying keys successfully for their current price of 6 ref, there are still recent adds.
They could lie with amount of keys bought, maybe. But remember that most of the trades were direct added, and a lot keys were bought without a comment.
There is no proof of "direct adds" its all speculation. Furthermore this site is based off of proof so if people could "maybe" lie about the amount of keys they bought it can't be used as proof. In regards to recent adds the first link I clicked on at random
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14907794
Has been buying the same three keys for 2 WEEKS. It is clearly a dead trade that outposts horrible autobump has kept alive. I've seen a few other links like this in your "counterproof" but I have to leave so I can't list them.
Tl;DR
Speculation is invalid proof, old trades that are updated are bad proof, someone saying they bought X for X without any other evidence is invalid proof.
You don't understand. I'm not claiming that speculation is valid proof. I'm just saying that as same as you say that people could lie with the numbers (which is also speculation) people could also buy some keys without comments. And even it he bought the keys already but the trade open for 2 weeks and people keeping adding him to sell him for 6 ref, it shows something ...
Its not people its a single person in most cases and the majority of your proof and having keys 100+ key in their backpack cannot be used to say that they bought tons of keys at 6 ref.
Why weren't there people like you in the Key raise price vote? ...
Wasn't a need. Proof was solid in the raising vote.
So... you're saying all suggestions here are invalid due to the fact that tf2outpost can't prove that the item was actually sold? (Basically saying that all trades would be speculation)
Item history, backpacks etc can be check for most items. The point was saying someone sold 8 keys jsut because they wrote it in the notes or credit "people bought without adding" with no other proof doesn't mean anything.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15212614 says this guy bought over 12. no add comments or other indicators
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14975673 says this guy bought 80, no add comments or other indicators
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15180267 only 1 add comment but WAIT HE HUS 180 IN BAKPAK MEANS BUY LOTS AT 6 REF RITE!!!11!
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15153939 only one add comment yet you claim he bought 96 at this price
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14997016 this did not get multiple adds recently. IT has one add 3 DAYS AGO the rest are a week old.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253422 no adds not comments yet you say he bought 6 in 15 minutes because he wrote it in notes... right.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14602879 1 month old trade last add was a week ago
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15021222 only 2 add comments that are a week old and you again use having keys in their backpack as proof he bought tons at 6 ref
Your "proof" is garbage and these are just the links I spot checked.
... lol. Why did you feel the need to do this exactly? I agreed with you all the way up in your first post ^ where you said these buyer links basically prove nothing. Why have you gone on to beat a dead horse if they were invalid? Anyone with half a brain wouldn't be using these links as proof. Literally all it shows is that it isn't so futile to have a quickbuy post at 6 ref that everyone has abandoned it and moved up to 6.11.
Because I can, and is your name shrewd?
Err...this is in conjunction with TheKaushuman's key suggestion so some of them may not be in the right place but it seems about right.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15021222 (buying for 6 ref, has over 200 keys, out of metal stock, not buying atm) [Useless link, lasted added 6 days ago]
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15080865 (6 ref, got many adds) [c00l]
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14907794 (6 ref, got many adds) [2 week old trade, last added 4 days ago.]
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14877190 (6 ref, got many adds) [2 week old trade, last legit comment 1 week ago.]
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14602879 (6 ref, got many adds) [1 month old trade, last legit comment 2 weeks ago.]
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15212614 (buying for 6/6.06 ref, bought over 12) [There's more than one way to get a key, probably didn't get 12 keys purely from refined metal.]
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15122944 (6 ref, got 2 adds during the last 4 hours) [1 legit comment, other has no metal.]
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14975673 (6 ref, bought over 80) [Bought 80 within 120 views and no comments ever saying added? You're a bit naive if you think that.]
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14642142 (6 ref, got multiple adds) [1 month old trade.]
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15214026 (6 ref, already bought some) [He's only buying one, why didn't he close the trade by now?]
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15185918 (6 ref, got an add for 11 keys at once, ran out of metal) [Got lucky]
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15195513 (6 ref, got many adds during last few days) [co0l]
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15000866 (6 ref, bought 3, trying to sell them unsuccessfully for 6.22) [He probably started off with 3 keys, no comments ever saying added]
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15131439 (6 ref, got 3 adds in the last 3 days) [c00ol]
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15180267 (6 ref, 1055 keys in his bp, last add yesterday) [Did not sell to buyer, instead he quicksold it --> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15180267 ]
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14739351 (5.66 ref, got an add 4 days ago) [3 week old trade, user hid his own post probably did not sell it to him.]
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14755212 (6 ref, got many adds) [Last legit comment 2 weeks ago]
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15268243 (6 ref, bought in less then 15 minutes) [c00l]
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253422 (6 ref, bought at least 6 keys in less then 15 hours) [I wouldn't take it for granted if nobody commented]
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14997016 (6 ref, got multiple adds) [c00l]
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15153939 (6 ref, bought 96 keys) [He's buying for 6.11]
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15023193 (6 ref, got an add yesterday) [He offered on multiple trades, not legit]
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14894567 (6 ref, got multiple adds, 25+ keys in his bp) [Last legit comment 2 weeks ago]
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15069005 bought 8 keys @ 6.11 [Still buying lots]
This forces us to speculate that 6 ref potentially sold for 6 ref, and that's never good. Very minimal success for 6 ref. There will always be people that will sell their keys for 6 ref for the sake of convenience. I mean logically: Would you rather sell your key for 6.11 to a 24-hour automated bot or 6 ref to a potentially offline trader? (referring to the buyers below)
i agree, never bought or sold a key for 6.22 in my life. upvoted.
I can't even remember the last time I bought a key for metal period. Somewhat of a pseudo-boycott of the market, if you ask me.
Upchuck, though I believe 6-6.11 could work with all of the solds at 6 that were added since this suggestion was made.
Am I dreaming? Is this true?
Its just a counter-suggestion, the key price has still increased even if this suggestion does pass.
why would you start another price suggestion straight after 1 just passed?
also you have no range, this will never work especially on keys lol
in saying that i thought last suggestion was was bad as can still buy for 6 ref so should be in range (imo).
i dont see any proof to show why they should be 6.11
proof shows they sell at 6 ref quicksell 6.11 easy and 6.22 is achiavable, once again range of 6-6.22 may be more realistic, and provide margin for traders
more proof of unsolds at 6.22 to show it shouldnt be in range?
cleverpun why would you warn for that? how is that abusive or spam?
Please add mods to discuss warnings or bans; suggestions are not the place
Were you not here when keys were 6 ref? And even before that? Flat key prices happened and will keep happening...
welp i guess i can repost my old trade here:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15177149 - bought one for 6 ref in all of 4 hours
keys are going down! upvote for me, also great proof
People are still selling for 5.22-5.66? Oh lordy.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15069005 my trade! :D
bought 8 keys @ 6.11
I agree with this suggestion completely. Mods keep accepting suggestions at 52%, even though I showed most of the proof there was invalid (in the 6.11-6.22 one)
THE PRICE SHOULD BE 6.11 . NOT 6.11-6.22 .
To protect myself against cleverpun: UPGOAT, UPBOAT, blabla awesome.
Because apparently this is on topic, but whatever I wrote in other posts are "spam".
I was thinking 6-6.22, seeing how successful sellers at 6.22 and buyers at 6 are.
I bought yesterday a key for 5,66 ref.
I have these trade for a long time, adds getting more rare, but it still happens. Cant remind that i ever bought a key for 6 or 6,11 ref >.<
Upvote from me
I'm so happy about this :D
Upvote!
The last key suggestion went through with a 52% vote approval. Theres something fucking wrong with that.
Scrap.tf key price: Buy for 6.11 ref, sell for 6.22 ref
Trade.tf price: 6.11 ref
UPVOTE ×)
Need More at 6.11, you are only proofing that the last current range is fine.
I'm not seeing "fine" here. I'm seeing a speculative price point and I'm seeing a vast majority of the new keys put up in the past 18 hours being under the new range/at the bottom end of it. If i literally have to counter-prove those bad 6.22-6.33 links I will, but it really seems excessive. I took a look at them before, and they legitimately looked straight up bad.
The previous suggestion was just passed a few hours ago. You must wait a week before creating a new suggestion.
Unless a Counter Suggestion I believe...
not necessarily. if you have good enough proof and a "nice" range you are fine to do another suggestion.
http://imgur.com/Q7TYKAM
any proof of unsold at 6.22-6.33 would help
unsolds at 6.22 ?
Alot of proof and the key got very high price,upvote.
very nice proof upvote
As much as i want this to pass, i will remain neutral for the time being. However, here is some more.
http://prntscr.com/1zs6y0
http://prntscr.com/1zs6zv
http://prntscr.com/1zs71k
http://prntscr.com/1zs73f
All bought at 6 ref each.
Goodluck with this mate.
Go go go. Upvote.
Still very doable even at 6 refined! 6.11 refined is just easy cakes.
upvote.
Bought a few off a guy for 6 ref each. It wasn't my original intention to buy keys off him but he suggested the price after adding me to buy something else. http://imgur.com/CjwST5d
I feel as though the last key pricing suggestion was a little early and unjustified.
> Or if you do not agree with the last change, you may suggest to revert back with supporting proof and arguments. < thats exactly what he is doing
it is still a counter suggestion as said at the top of the suggestion
"I believe it to be incorrect price point as the market stands." that's what PPMja said
It was a cluster fuck on that suggestion. I don't think Mr. Bucket saw it before he accepted it, I got no justification for why my counter-proof wasn't taken into consideration. Now stop spamming about the rules please, mods will dictate whether or not this is within the parameters of the rules, and if it isn't, if an exception should be made. Your comments aren't at all productive/pertinent to the content of the suggestion itself
yea my apologies for the spam. and its not like disagree with the suggestion just quickly trying to change the price not back to what it was didnt seem in the rules to me, but i could be wrong just sayin. ill hide the rest of the comments though
Nice proof here, wasn't expecting this.
Upvote, maybe in a few weeks we should be able to decrease the range down to 6-6.11.
After reading the first sentence... *facepalm*
Finally keys are going down again supply>demand :) Upvote
Except they aren't going down at all? It's an adjustment to the range. Technically they're just going from 6-6.11 to 6.11 flat. Still going up :/
About that supply > demand thing... It'll be demand > supply when Halloween comes.
I don't even know how the previous suggestion passed. This one seems better. Hope it passes .. Otherwise GG economy. ;s
Keys are going down ?
Seriously?
Am I dreaming?
UPVOTE!
6.11 ref is clearly a quicksell.
A few examples.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15198056 - sold after 5 views
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15250179 - sold after 7 views
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251539 - sold after 13 views
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264042 - sold after 9 views
Proving that 6.11 is nearly impossible to get, or you should camp trade.tf/outpost.
I'd personally see more trades like this http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259947 - unsold 6.22 ref 11 hours with autobump to get my upvote.
The only opinions I've really cared about on this are the dissenting ones, (yours and T.K.'s) and they're somewhat valid in theory. However, labeling 6.11 as a "quicksell" is highly presumptuous. Your examples (one being a 6 ref thread, one only selling a single key, one selling 2 keys and raising his price) prove nothing, much less your broad-reaching statement. My 6-6.11 posts are within the last 18 hours, and they're just from the very places where people constantly profiteer and flip keys for a scrap, and don't even take into account trade servers, where I constantly see keys being sold for 6 and 6.11. You think keys selling for under bot low points selling relatively quickly definitively proves anything? Try to make the argument with proof instead of just a statement, very hard to do.
You and T.K. want 6.22 unsolds, and honestly without context this proof would be very weak validation of my price point, and most likely a waste of my time to find. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15066751 it's like, for example, me posting this week old bumped trade at 6.22 and pretending it means something lol. Sales at 6.22 happen. I'm not questioning it and I'm not necessarily trying to even invalidate it, since 6.22 exists implicitly within a 6.11 price point. However, these sales exist out of convenience and are a result of a combination of profiteering, bulk buying habits, and bots. The 6.11-6.22 range implies 6.33 as being a price point, and while there are already bots out there selling for 6.33, I just don't see it.
you are confusing selling fast with quickselling, Selling fast being wow they sold fast at 6.11, quick selling being 'I'm selling this for way cheeper then its genraly worth so it sells faster cause I need the metal."
I meant "selling extremely fast".
What you are trying to do: remove 6.22 from the range.
What you have done: give a ton of proof of solds at 6 ref and 6.11.
What you should have done: show unsolds at 6.22, OR suggest a different range like 6-6.11, where your proof actually supports that claim.
I'm not biased toward or against keys here, I'm just looking at the proof vs. suggested price and trying to give constructive feedback. Good job! =)
Well no, not really. I believe the suggestion being passed in the first place was a mistake, so in reality I'm trying to demonstrate a more accurate price point. Anyone who knows anything about the market right now would tell you that going back to 6-6.11 would be a bit silly right now, despite the data showing quite a few 6 ref sales. Those have occurred despite having active, successful buyers at 6.11. You could make an argument for 6.22 unsolds not invalidating the current range, since it's technically still a higher price than the average. In my opinion, demonstrating frequent sales lower than the average was more important, and is the most valid proof that can't be completely invalidated or ignored, only argued against. But yeah I agree, in a normal situation, to actually lower the price point of keys when they had a valid accurate price, I would have to show that 6.22 is a price point that doesn't move. Appreciate the feedback
Also quick tangent: LOL http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15180267 http://www.tf2outpost.com/backpack/273449 I knew your name looked familiar from op surfing for proof.
I know any logical person wouldn't let their huge stake in key prices affect their judgement, but I'd just love to see you make a key suggestion sometime with 1055 raw keys in your bp to see people rage hue
I love how you say that 6-6.11 sales happen all the time and then you exclude 90% of the 6.22 sales.
What the last suggestion suggested:
Remove 6 from range and add 6.22
What it did:
Showed many selllers and solds for 6.11 and some for 6.22 but nothing at all for 6
And it got accepted. Don't ask why because there were never any reason.
Does this change the price of other items? (Real world money)
6.22 refined for EACH solds total = 21 keys
1. http://i.imgur.com/RxBC5YN.png - 3 Keys
2. http://i.imgur.com/eK5gKsd.png - 1 Key
3. http://i.imgur.com/xXOdxqY.jpg - 2 Keys
4. http://i.imgur.com/wMAJeNL.png - 1 Key
5. http://i.imgur.com/DuaqiZR.jpg - 1 Key
6. http://i.imgur.com/XRNZSZb.jpg - 7 Keys
7. http://i.imgur.com/BePQOcx.jpg - 4 Keys
8. http://i.imgur.com/RZd2dFD.jpg - 2 Keys
... And you bought all of them for 6-6.11 did you not? http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262098 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15242111 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15213916 ... Where are all the screens for all the keys you've been able to buy (over 100) :p 21 keys in 3 days isn't exactly impressive compared to your stock. Appreciate the screens regardless
Why you try to push down the price ? The Last suggestion was accepted for only 6 hours. I think its stupid to make a new suggestion .. but ok do what you want.. Downvote !
up up up vote
From personal experience I have never seen a key sell for 6.22 out side of bible.tf or tf2overpay(OP).com (see what I did there) I play tf2 alot(too much one might say) and I moderate for darkly so I get draged into to all the server to deal with spammers or middle man crabs. I see keys sell here and there 6ref 6.11 never have I seen a key sell for 6.22 in a real trading server enviroment. even today after I saw the sugestion go up from the pricelist update plugin some one said in chat "well crap I sold some at 6ref, what ever" then go back to selling them @ 6ref.
Upvote the upvote
Am I dreaming? First refined metal, now keys, Yes please, upvoting!
eh?
what mate
And a little bit of extra info, I get ALL of my money from the steam market, selling trading cards :OOOOOOOOOOO OMG I get free keys for doing -nothing- Sitting in a game and idling .
Stop flaming. Don't give clever a reason to start giving warnings. Nothing you're saying here is constructive
Clearly not flaming, if you can't understand how to run a market..
wut?
So you're saying that i shouldnt buy oil when there are these big-ass companies around that sell it ? People are manipulative get over it.
Oil isn't inflated, Lol. We're going to war for it? T
What do you mean noone needs keys anymore ? Then what else do people need ???
I mean that in last weeks people buy keys like crazy because they know the will raise ,but people don't need them so much when they are so overpriced
upvoted :D
I'm all for lowering the price of keys, and even more so, I'd really like to see them at a whole-number price (i.e.: 6 ref instead of 5.88 or 6.11) just so it makes it easier for trading purposes. From what I see, I actually think you may have enough proof to get this one passed. Best of luck to you with this suggestion.
Upvoted, downfall of the keys, we have freedom to even do something about the upvote of the rising of the keys we have to provide proof so that keys could downfall not provide more proof for the uprising of the keys for now...
lol, I was the first to lower key price. Doesn't change the flow of things, it will still go up. Anyways, upvote, much more realistic pricing.
Little bro bought 4 at 6 ref each yesterday. Upvote. Ref going up? Keys going down? Buds under 18 keys?? What the heck is going on the the price of currencies?!
Ref and Keys, I couldn't even tell you. I've heard that buds tend to crash around Halloween every year...
Wow, fantastic proof!!
Too bad I can only upvote once D:
I appreciate your caring for key prices but here's the flaw with your suggestion: You aren't showing why 6.22 is impossible. Key high-ends aren't quicksells, they actually need bumps which is why there's a purpose of a range. You also have a very minimal amount of 6.11 solds
From your "selling"
All of your 6 ref links is a quicksell = useless. Also because there are many buyers available for 6.11. If I need to resort to that I will.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264545 6.11 ref [Sold within an hour]
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256031 6.11 ref unbumped [Was AFK and came back online]
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263072 6.11 ref sold 1 [Sold both within an hour]
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9856071 6.11 ref [Offline]
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253637 6.11 ref unbumped --> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15275519 [Selling for 6.22]
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254535 6.11 ref unbumped[Offline]
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265236 6.11 ref [Sold his whole stock in 2 hours]
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264926 6.11 ref [Sold within an hour, appeared to be afk a bit]
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264898 6.11 ref [Never bumped, afk as I added him and won't respond]
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263063 6.11 ref [Unbumped, afk as I added him and won't repond]
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253261 6.11 ref unbumped [Offline]
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263201 6.22 ref ( no bites) --> http://puu.sh/500wB.png
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257850 1 for 6.22 sold 1 [Sold both within 2 hours]
Naturally if you're lowering a price, it must be hard to sell at 6.22? I tested that out myself
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15274991 --> http://puu.sh/503X1.png
Got an add within 5 minutes.
Trying again... http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15276755
6.22-6.33 solds
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15274192
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15273908
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15273807 - his name was S>key for 6.22
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15273704 - unclear
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15273532
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15273151 - sold 3
http://puu.sh/500MW.png
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15272634
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15272558 - unclear
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15272480
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15272300
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15271782 - sold 6?
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15271672 - uc = unclear
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15271557
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15271504
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15271330
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15271150
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15271010
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15271009
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15271007
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15270841
http://puu.sh/501aW.png
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15270557 - uc
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15270446
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15270380
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15269943 - uc
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15269721 - 6.16
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15269131 - uc
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15269004
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15268925
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15268777
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15268741
http://puu.sh/501th.png
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15268605
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15268226
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15268032
http://puu.sh/501D6.png
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15267848 - uc
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15267659
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15267589
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15267273 --> http://puu.sh/501HM.png
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15267187
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15267022
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15266681
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15266541
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15266496 - uc
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15266346 - uc
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15266274
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15266271
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265424
http://puu.sh/501TP.png
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265182
http://puu.sh/501Ww.png
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264714
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264158
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264071
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263934 - uc
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263893
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263824 - 6.16
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262766 - sold 4
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262489
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262252
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262183
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261292
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261322
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261138
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259875
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259782 --> http://puu.sh/502E6.png
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259388
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259364 - 6.16
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259324
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259173
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258801
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257894
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257850
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257434
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257416
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257235
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257105
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256743
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9855303
http://puu.sh/5030i.png http://puu.sh/50315.png
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255780
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255518
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255499
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254980
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254895
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254198
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254018
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253837 - uc
6.22 seems very possible, current range is fine.
So many unclears.
10 to be exact. If you have a problem with it, you can directly add them for verification.
Just when I thought this suggestion would pass fo sure.
Leaving at undecided... curse you and your persuasive proof.
I agree, I have sold plenty of keys for 6.22. I will be sure to add more proof once I get home.
Can you not go through your own links or are you hell bent on wasting more of people's time?? Some of these are completely non provable, even you can't say for certain that they sold at that price point, some of them are not SOLD, some are repeats, and some were taken down and sold at a lower price. Are you serious? This is the same shit that made your last suggestion take 6 days despite you constantly supplementing your proof with more proof. Context-less link spam does nothing. No matter how much quantity you can provide, you're only representing a fraction of the market.
I never said 6.22 was impossible lol, to the contrary in many of the comments I've stated that 6.22 happens. 6.11 flat implies sales at both 6 and 6.22. The ~half or so links that you've provided that actually show 6.22 sales are relatively meaningless, in that the ones that aren't represented in my suggestion or aren't invalid are few and far between. They have no context. You're piecing together proof on a price point that just isn't there. If I have to go through them link by link I will, but I already started doing that before my java plugin crashed, and with the first 20 links I had over 10 problems lmao, not to mention some were also already in my suggestion.
Those are relist. The reason why I included relist because they have different history making it valid. If truly they are invalid, link me so then I can observe.
"I never said 6.22 is impossible." Then that's why THERE'S A RANGE. Your logic of "the most commonly traded prices" is very flawed and works for spreadsheets. Here on backpack.tf it doesn't work like that. 6.11 does happen, and it's within current range. As I said, 6 ref doesn't belong in the range because of the absurd amount of buyers at 6.11. And are you forgetting the basic principle of the reason why item rises is because it's possible to sell for more?
I'm gonna agree with kodorin and i'm can make a proof 6 ref don't belong in the range, just make ONE trade selling ONE key for 6 ref look how much adds you get in just some seconds ;D
If you want my Upvote for this you need proof of 6 ref isn't a quick-sell.
A "quick sell" is when some one deliberately asks lower then the item is thought to be worth because they need the money. Something selling fast at a price is just becuase its in high demand and there is no reason to raise the price on something because it sells fast, that just makes you greedy.
I'm understand your point, but a quick-sell can't be used in range if you post on classified how i said one key for 6 ref you receive THOUSANDS of adds. Keys for 6 ref it's rare no one are selling enough for the GIANT demand of them so it's quick-sell people can easily buy them for more and i'm sold keys even for 6.33 ref. That's my point i'm don't gonna accept QUICK-SELL as proof.
its not a qiuck sell, they just sell fast! And keys at 6ref aren't rare as proved by the 75ish links posted as "proof" they just sell fast, so people take the trades down, and then your left the greedy hiballers asking 6.22and up
6.11 buyers
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12090596
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15277634
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15185387
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251047
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15117649
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15270967
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15250726
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14901748
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15126515
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15142844
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11076954 - buying for 6.22
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15081820
And this was me refreshing the page for 5 minutes
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15185056
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14825676
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11851316
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15181175
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15282777 - 6.17
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15222289
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15237343
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15187408
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13990056
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15266669
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15153939
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15048809
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15284171
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15288821
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15270803 - 6.17
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11494475 - 6.22
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15289850
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15118227
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15212558
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9059312
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15025921
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6492028
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15289975
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12729897
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13599180
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15287276
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263650
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15283830
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15290070 - my trade
http://scrap.tf/keys
http://scrapbank.me/ - http://puu.sh/50zDD.jpg
This is all while refreshing the first page for 30 minutes.
Would you rather sell your key for 6.11 to a 24-hour automated bot or 6 ref to a potentially offline trader?
I apologize for any invalid/duped links
awesome proofs, that's a very good work!
http://i.imgur.com/pOWCo0a.png
All bought for 6 ref within about 15 seconds of bumping the trade. Upvote, and good luck brave soldier.
it's happening i knew affter the price of metal would go up keys would go down now because of the price of keys going down buds and bill's should go back up
Bought today 10 for 6 ref each. (I put Toss Proof Towel as 2 ref)
http://scr.hu/0kk9/3jy9u
is ridiculous this still up 11hours was accepted new price, and already this suggestion where we see more key for 6.22 refined or more many of them in claisificados backpack.tf , tf2outpost.com and bazaar.tf . ultimately
Counterproof suggestions are an exception to this, as stated above.
yea, still possible to buy them for 6 ref - 6.11 easily, upvoted
Upvote! And i have still that key: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15175443
Perhaps the trick to get sales is to bump your trades
ok repost it, lets se what happens: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15300576
People who are down voting this just don't want to lower their bp value.
I don't have outpost for this, but it seems as though whenever I'm on a trade server it is very rare to get under 6.22, so I actually believe this to be correct.
I don't think anyone ever tried to bring the price down for keys for a while now, everyone was so busy increasing it. There are two more key suggestion beside yours and all of them are trying to lower down the key price. All of you have solid good proof. It all comes down to who will get accepted.
I have looked at your proofs, they are valid and excellent. What I believe though is that, the last suggestion was not as correct. The last suggestion added many 6.11 but not so many 6.22 and still got accepted, not sure why.
What I also believe is that keys should have range. One of the suggestion suggested 6-6.22 with good proof. 6 ref is still doable. 6.11 is the current ongoing sale, and 6.22 is a new start. So, 6-6.22 seems like a fair range and price for key I would say.
Hands-up to you sir, for finally trying to bring the key to stable price. Good luck. =)
i dont know if i should say yes or no you have huge amount of proof that i like :) but in the end well it pass or not we will all see :O
All these flames for a scrap difference ...
iv sold 4 keys for 6.22 so im kinda neutral about this
also think a fair price is 6- 6.22 xD lol jsut want this key price crap to stop and just let it stay at a price for once
just sold 2 more for 6.22, they sell
I wouldn't say much about this because most those trade looks like quicksells. (Didn't go through all)
Though you given many which are sold at those price, but those are just SOLD ones, it isn't as easy as finding people who are selling at that price. Most people who sell a key for 6.11 won't go longer than a day.
At this moment maybe 6.22 ref would be "kinda" hard to sell, but give it a few days and see it again. According to the past, 6.22 ref will slowly and slowly become a quicksell and then the key would increase again (This is how it went from 5.88 ref to now.)
not really but that is ur opinion
I get a warm and fuzzy feeling when keys are dropped :3
They aren't dropping though. They're still rising from 6-6.11 up to 6.11 flat. We're just adjusting the range because many others disagree that 6.22 isn't supposed to be there.
This is one of TF2's miracles. Keys can't get much higher, they NEED to lower.
Meh, 2 more sellers at 6 ref
http://prntscr.com/2005ql
http://prntscr.com/2005wa
i would upvote but there are to many of them so now I can only downvote or stay neutral .-.
If this does get pass, I wonder if it will start a hype to bring down the price.
Thats a good proof upvoted!
Prove it. 2.33-2.66 will never happen again.
Counter proof
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14944490 (Lots of adds for 6.22)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13501482 (It's a bot, but people are buying)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15285110 (6.27)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15025921 (6.22)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13823131 (6.22, don't know if people are buying or selling)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15185322 (6.22)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261342 (6.22)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15172826 (6.33, 3 days ago got an add comment)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13968279 (6.22, bot)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258079 (6.22)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15197152 (6.33, one add)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15086121 (6.33, one recent add)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15026861 (6.33)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15245010 (6.22, bot)
I'm bored to look for any more, I don't give a shit what happens to key prices, just putting it out there that 6.22 is possible, maybe make a range.
Why don't you accept it already? It had enough yes votes 2 times now!!!
Because user votes don't matter as much when it comes to key suggestions. You have blind fools who will downvote any suggestion to rise and upvote any suggestion to drop without even thinking to look at any of the provided proof.
Look at that prrof seems like 6-6.11 is better price range
6 ref is a quicksell now :/. I'd gladly take any keys you have 6 ref, especially with bots buying them for 6.11. Anyhow, good proof, so upvote for me :D
of course I will too
"This suggestion has reached enough upvotes."
Well, it's about damn time if i say so myself.
Upgoat when i get the chance!
Hmmm?
Sorry, never heard of that.
k, nevermind, your comment reminded me of his song.
The mods had a lengthy discussion about the key suggestions. At the time the last key suggestion was accepted, we felt that 6-6.22 was the best range. Pyroman had a suggestion up at one point, but he closed it himself. In the absence of a countersuggestion, there seemed to be enough proof to justify 6.22, and 6.11 seemed genuinely the most common trade point, so 6.11-6.22 was accepted after 5 days.
Not much difference between 6-6.22 and 6.11 flat, but the community supports this one much strongly than the other one, and in close situations, we prefer to go with the community vote.
Normal key-cooldown rules still in play. Please check here before making the next key suggestion: http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/2620-key-cooldown-guidelines-read-before-making-key-suggestions/