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This guy is doing a key suggestion? KILL HIM


This is what happens to a poor trader when you leave up a key trade for some time for 6 ref http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=282lus9&s=5 and this happened over a week ago. So I would imagine the situation is a lot worse

Classifieds http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/id/51fffb0c4bd7b8840a000011

Few sellers for 6.11. Rest are 6.22.


Just so easy to sell for 6.11

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15144549

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15144390

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15144161

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15143890

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15143486

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15142708

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15142574

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15142209 - sold 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15141895

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15141771

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15141543 - buyer

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15141450

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15141335 - sold 4

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15141270

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15141265

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15141139

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15140626

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15140141

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15139928 - sold 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15139884

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15139820

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9845764

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15139270

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15139206

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15139091

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15139039

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15138946

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15138673

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15138076 - sold 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15138057 - sold 3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15137474

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15137295

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15136941

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15136892

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15136837

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15136783

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15136046 - out of stock

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15136023

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15135968 - sold 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15135767

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15135740

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15135675

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9845438

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15135364

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15135341 - sold 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15135278

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15135227 - sold 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15135115

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15134695

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15134296

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15134292

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15134099 - sold 4 6.11 + 1 wep

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15134021

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15133936

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15133918

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15133757

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15133708 - sold 3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15133658

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15133341

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15133150

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15132974 - sold 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15132895

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15132863 - sold 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15132550

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15132210 - sold 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15132166

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15132046

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15131681

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15131500

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15131193

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15131129 - sold 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15130821

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15130382

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15129861

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15129825

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15129669

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15129658

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15129376 - sold 4

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15128924 - sold 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15128895

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15128592 - buyer

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15128410

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15128234

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15128140

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15128032

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15127413

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15126891

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15126701 - sold 3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15125640

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15125283

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15125081

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15125039

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15123583

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15123485

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15123471

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15123415

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15123342

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15123156

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14700933

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15122767

http://bazaar.tf/trade/489993

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15122423

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15122015

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15121883

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15121597

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15121580

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15121321

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15121210

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15120861

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15120789

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15120693

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15120256

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15119894

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15119863

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15119608 - sold 2


6.22-6.33 solds

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15121083

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15122913

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15122818

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15124508

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15126161

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15125761

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15127835

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15127503 - sold 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15128431

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15128674

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15129518

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15130166

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15126275

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15131110

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15131098 - sold 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15132809

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15131488

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15134918

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15134787

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15136712 - sold 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15136311

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15137999

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15137859

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15138527

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15138260

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15139641 - sold 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15140508

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15141701

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9845947

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15141814

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15139777

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15135503

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15124364

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15139733

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9844968

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15124274

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15130641

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15124338

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15136963

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15124446

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15143665

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15136044

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15132564

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15143577 - sold 7

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15140109 - 5 craft hats?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15134711

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15139938

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15131798


More 6.22 solds http://backpack.tf/vote/id/526060f14dd7b8af408b456b


Please refrain insulting in this suggestion. I prefer it to be as clean as possible.


Feel free to counter / support my proofs, but try not to make 6 ref look like a quicksell

Seems legit for me, upvoted

nice proof, i looking to buy 1 at 6 ref and ended up buying at 6.11 ref. kinda hard now to buy at 6 ref

    Oh boy wait till the TF2R communtiy sees this. Upv0te

      Don't be like merrycatch and tell the tf2r community that you made this suggestion. You'll probably get more negs than your suggestions passed...

      Anyways, solid proof as expected KoDo, Upgoat!

        Oh i'll make sure they know. hehe. hehe. HEHEH.

          It really doesn't even matter who thinks what on some TF2 community anyways...

            True, but it's hilarious when they get mad at you for being "corrupt" and "manipulating the key prices" When really you made one suggestion and they get uber mad that it passes.

              So why are you intentionally "making sure they know" when it doesn't matter?

                I was kidding, kodorin is a good friend and I wouldnt do that to make him end up like merryweather.

      Upvoted, suprised you only have 1 XD

        yeah, usually the ones that makes suggestions trying to rise key prices are keybankers or have a lot o' keys. however, upvote, amazing proof

        Upvote.

          upboat - i got 18 adds in 30 min for keys @ 6 ref

          The 6.22-6.33 is hardly valid, 15 keys sold, yeah 15! out of the some 670thousand keys in tf2. you need more proof, how about look for trades where poeple are buying key for 6.22-6.33? even 6.22 I play tf2 a lot I have never seen any one buy a key for more then 6.11 ever.

            First off, I have roughly 159 links(correct me if I'm wrong), not counting multiple solds, potential classifieds sold, barely used bazaar, and the 200+ trade.tf links I ignored. That's higher than key standards.

            Second off, yes there are 670,000 keys in the game. But only ~490,000 members in the Outpost, counting bots and alts. Not everybody trades for a key. Some people trade keys for items, not metal. There are only 2 pages of relevant key sellers in the Outpost. http://www.tf2outpost.com/search/161362557

            Hope I explained it to you thoroughly and cleanly!

                At this point I don't know what you're trying to comply. If you truly think my suggestion is inaccurate, feel free to provide counterproof or counter suggest me.

                  What about the sellers?

                  Keys are really high in demand as people want to uncrate constantly hoping for an unusual or a good item

                  There are a lot of people who would want keys that's why they are really easy to sell, yet those who look for a lot of profit always sell them for a scrap higher than the said price. This keeps up you'll be sorry keys are that expensive by then

                    Im just stating my opinion no need to get on my case, and a warning isnt needed. Also they may be high in demand but everything will go up faster at this rate Refined would be worthless to us if we kept going up in the prices. Last of all you sound a bit rude when your stating this warning onto me I demand utter respect if im giving you respect.

                      the point is refined is getting useless. with the free metal every week from drops and no useless way to get rid of it, people dont mind spending more for a key

                    thats what ive been saying dude... you have 15 people who have bought a key for 6.22 so says your "proof" in the sugestion box...15! If 15 people told you today was wednesday would you believe it, even though you know today is sunday and 300 other people said today was sunday? no you wouldn't so why should 15 people who bought a key at 6.22 outweigh the opions of the thousands more people getting them for 6.11or less?

                      granted more people might been selling them for 6.22 its undocumented though and you could look for your self and see that all those people who sell keys at 6.22 bought them for 6.11or less.

                        if u could show the 300 other people selling less than 6.11 then ur argument is valid

                      "subjectively picked data from 1 source. It does not represent the whole market."

                      Yet you use tf2fianace as your one source of proof to deem as a downvote? Sounds hypocritical to me.

                      Have you ignored this picture? http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=282lus9&s=5 - That happened over a week ago.

                      http://puu.sh/4Uxx1.png

                      http://puu.sh/4Uxxr.png

                      Truly you are ignorant if those don't change your opinion. That or you can sway me with your 50+ links of successful 6 ref buyers.

                      Also how in the world is my proof is invalid? Did you actually check them? And there is a rule about key cooldowns and I followed them http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/2620-key-cooldown-guidelines-read-before-making-key-suggestions/

                        Like a great jedi once said "do or do not, there is no try" so most of the 100ish people asking 6.22 have not sold keys at 6.22.

                        also those 3 peice of proof mean very little? is that it? 3 documented pictures taken by your self and even then the first one is people adding you for a 6 ref key

                        the second one says he bought it for 6.11

                        and the 3rd one again people added him for a 6 ref key not a 6.22 ref key

                        all those pics prove are that keys go for 6-6.11

                            Hint if you look for your self and see that all those people who sell keys at 6.22 bought them for 6.11or less.

                              First off, it's called trade history. If you don't mind so, please point me the links that are invalid.

                              Second off, tf2finance scans, can easily be fooled by excessive relisting and such. Does this that mean that Fireproof diaries should be 19 keys because trade.tf said so? http://www.trade.tf/price/5605/6 Yet backpack.tf says 15 keys. Which one is more accurate? Backpack.tf. That's like saying everything spreadsheet says is accurate such as strange fireaxe which claims it can go for a rec http://puu.sh/4UxWO.png . But backpack.tf says 1 scrap flat. Which one is more accurate? Backpack.tf. The most unique thing about backpack.tf that it is run by human beings that can differentiate things like quicksells, outliers and such. So no, tf2finance isn't 100% reliable (not to mention being used as a bible) and shouldn't be your only source of counterproof.

                                I'm sorry, I can't help but laugh at your comments.


                                How is fireproof diaries and strange fireaxe, listed at different websites, any kind of relevant to a key price suggestion here? How does this make your extremely small sized, unreliable and biased "proof " more accurate and acceptable for a suggestion on key prices?

                                  I can clearly see we both have different opinions and mindsets. I'm going to stop this argument here. Have a nice one, vote accordingly.

                                    At least you realized you were making it harder for your case.

                                  "Which one is more accurate? Backpack.tf." that statment is incorect. all the spread sheets and are inacutate some more then others, but its the combintion of agreed comunities that should set the price not just one... like backpack.tf is trying to do(do or do not, no try. blah blah its just not at this point)


                                  Also your statement "tf2finance isn't 100% reliable" can be used the same more backpack.tf" backpack.tf is not the only one in the game, it doesnt control the economy and the more you try and make it the worse things are gonna get.


                                  Also if you wanna go into some speal about how the backpack.tf comunity sets the prices on backpack.tf, that's the problem not every one uses backpack.tf. Some people use others sites, some people don't even use spread sheet sites. so baseing a price on one item for the entire market based on one comunities opinion is idiotic.

                                    You are so wrong it's funny. Allow me to enlighten you. Backpack.tf is run by a group of people who want the same thing most of us do, and that is to make a profit. This means that it would be in their best interest to raise the prices of keys, as that means higher profit margins. There is recorded proof in the history of keys pricing that proves that votes mean nothing.


                                    Downvoted price raises that were accepted:

                                    http://i.imgur.com/eLD2mWW.png

                                    http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5131fb4cba2536ee35000004

                                    http://backpack.tf/vote/id/51a30a084bd7b8c124000007


                                    Upvoted price lowers that were closed:

                                    http://backpack.tf/vote/id/519ff6a3ba2536d57a000014

                                    http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5135fb3aba2536bd03000023

                                    http://backpack.tf/vote/id/510981f6ba25368d6c000003


                                    I'm sure you won't consider this proof, but I'm just telling you; price manipulation has been going on on this site for a while, and it's time it stopped. Someone needs to make a new site for tf2 prices, because this one is run by greed.

                                      If the mods here were out for themselves, we would have kept the price of keys low so we could buy them cheaper...


                                      If you make any more superfluous comments I'm going to temp-ban you; I don't feel like warning all eight of your useless comments

                                          I really wish that people would stop trying to bribe me with their approval, especially when they are being rude and whiny.

                              damn really good proof, upvote

                                nice proof upvote


                                although i would like to ask can you raise the price if you have proof that keys are selling for 1.88$-1.9$/key in real time currency like buying via paypal, just asking if someone knows please reply.

                                  I don't know, while at outpost everyone is trying to sell over 6.22, it took me less than 5 minutes to find some sellers for 6 refined. But that might have been what you call outliers now? Not sure what to think about this.

                                    Try selling a key for 30 minutes for 6 ref and see how many adds you get.

                                      That was yesterday, today has been proven quite harder.

                                        That is usually because a suggestion pops up


                                        I.E. Now you will only be seeing 6.11 - 6.22 sellers since everyone expects this to be accepted, and probably will being that there is more proof because of the suggestion. Like a fun little punch to the economy loop!

                                          Well, while I think this is true always, I'd say people are hoarding them even more thanks to the Halloween event which is almost here.

                                            the day when the key price rise started....

                                    Might be too early, but I'll have to agree with KoDoRiN, 6 ref is really just a quicksell. Gets easily sold. Got around 20+ adds upon putting up a trade selling 1 key Just 1 key for 6 ref...

                                      Ahhh this is so sad, how long until keys are 7 ref, will they ever sink? will ref ever go higher?


                                      So many questions, but the proof is there big and sturdy, sad but good.


                                      I guess only time will tell.

                                        i have only ever successfully sold keys for 6.22 at peak times, and even then it's not going fast enough for my liking. I think flat 6.11 would have done this suggestion much better, from my experience. I don't like relying on outpost links because it's difficult to gauge how many are selling and at what price. I change my price a lot depending on how much I want metal, and I can afford to sell at 6.11 because I still frequently buy at 6 ref on servers.

                                          sold one for 6.22 after like 10 minutes of a trade up

                                          http://imgur.com/4fyFyNP


                                          however he was not very happy which i find amusing


                                          http://imgur.com/yGkO4ov

                                            had my trade up for 6.22 for like 30 minutes, sold 4 easily


                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15157501

                                              Wow...really is shameful how much people are desperate for keys. Anywho thanks for the additional proof.

                                                List of unsuccessful buyers at 6?

                                                  As I see it, you are taking 6 out of the range, which means you have to have unbought at 6 flat.

                                                  I have to upvote because i mean the only people that are trying to sell for 6 ref are the people who are trying to lower the price of keys and while there are over 500+ people selling for like 6.22 or high, people are still buying them for 6.22. I mean If you guys are raging on how high the price of keys are, well you guys are still buying them. Just saying...

                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/3023345 Is selling keys at 8 REF and he sold aroun 45 keys.


                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9208240 Selling keys at 6.66


                                                    Upvote

                                                      You're right man, a bunch of quicksellers who play the game for fun rather than trading should be an indicator of price change. You have some solid "proof" there.

                                                        The price is going to go up anyway.. so, yeah..

                                                        Keys going down would be an indication of the market for keys "crashing" although, "crashing" would be the incorrect usage of the word. If people are still buying keys for 6.11 refined, then there's no reason for them to decrease.

                                                          No, imaginary inflation is a leading factor in economy crash. It's why the yen was so cheap a while back.

                                                          "Keys costing 6 refined has destroyed all reasons to open crates."


                                                          The purpose of unboxing has been to have the possibility of getting an Unusual or possibly unbox an item you'd actually like. Regardless of the price of keys, that has always been the main reason to unbox. It was never "keys cost 2.66 refined, so I'll unbox. I care nothing about what happens afterwards I'll just waste the key", it was "I want to unbox and finally get an unusual"

                                                            If you unbox just to try and get unusuals, you're in for massive disappointments. You do realise that there is no more than a 1% chance of unboxing an unusual, correct? The chances of getting a good one that someone will buy are even lower. One time, I played with someone who said that he unboxed over 300 crates and hasn't got a single unusual from any of them. With that in mind, as well as the fact that anything else you'll recieve is worth much less than a a key, there is no reason to open crates.


                                                            Also, I love how I got a warning from that comment. It shows that TF2 really is descending into madness and heading straight for disaster.

                                                              The point ----->


                                                              Your head

                                                                You got a warning because your comment has nothing to do with the suggestion itself (=non-constructive).


                                                                About unboxing: Unusuals are the only thing that makes unboxing somewhat desirable. You can buy all items on the market for less than unboxing the amount of crates you need to get all of them. And there are people who got an unusual after 3 keys so thats what you get for gambling.

                                                            DEAR GOD......Dat proof......It's......It's.....UPVOTE!

                                                                People are just gonna downvote this cuz they dont wanna have to pay more and more for a key. Other people on another hand, will actually look at this, like me, and UPVOTE it :D

                                                                  upvote from me :D

                                                                    So much proof, but so unsure. ;-;

                                                                      Here's my two cents' worth:


                                                                      I sell lots of items for "1 key/6 ref.", and almost everyone pays with a key--and if they could easily sell that key for 6.22, give me 6, and keep .22 for themselves, they would do it.


                                                                      Also, although I've only been selling items, (Not straight keys:metal trades) not a single person has asked me to value their key at higher than 6 flat.

                                                                          I sold out 3 keys for 6 ref each in 12 seconds. Some bots buy at 6.11 now, even. definite upvote for me.

                                                                            prices for keys going up cuz of the holidays coming up ?

                                                                                XD lol true, but friend in reals was telling me that keys sometimes go up during holiday season (christmas) yada yada

                                                                                  Great Proof. Upvote.

                                                                                    it seems some one here had lots of time -.-

                                                                                    upvote

                                                                                          Key prices are FINALLY stablizing if not deflating. It is quite easy to get keys anywhere for 6 Refined, and many listings even appear very often on the classifieds.

                                                                                          SURE the majority of trades LISTED on TF2 Outpost are selling for higher then the range, it doesn't mean they successfully sell for that. Please don't give me that "O look in their backpack they have less keys" Unless you have screenshots from their inventory history showing they COMMONLY sell the keys for above the range... don't even bother listing it.


                                                                                          Now many of you know the true majority of trading occurs on servers and not on TF2 Outpost or other websites. I myself still buy keys on Trade servers all the time for 5.88 Refined/each and just hours ago bought many(23) for 6 Ref/ea (Within minutes) because I felt like I had too much metal.

                                                                                          6 ref are so possible..I took down my trade after I received enough keys: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15112132


                                                                                          If you want to change the range, 6 - 6.22 would be more fitting.

                                                                                                B-but 6 flat is such a comfortable price ;_;

                                                                                                    Exactly. You got it right man!

                                                                                                    I believe that key prices should be adjusted according to the no. of refined metal present in the market!

                                                                                                    True. Great proof. This should be accepted.

                                                                                                    Keys just go up.

                                                                                                      Wow, you almost make me believe this price manipulation thing......

                                                                                                      So let's give my counterproof instead

                                                                                                      http://i.imgur.com/HOxIztm.png <----bought 4 for 6 ref each

                                                                                                        I fail to see how getting a large number of adds in response to posting a trade selling keys at 6 ref means that that's a "quicksell" price, or that it is no longer valid. Obviously many people are going to add you for that, it's pretty much the cheapest you'll find them at nowadays, especially now that all of the new 6.33 trades were posted since this suggestion went up. The fact that something is easy to sell at a given price does not necessarily mean that the price should rise, it means that it is a price that buyers are happy with.


                                                                                                        Frankly, I think that the price suggestion should be bumped up once keys become that easy to sell at 6.11, since the lower end of the range should generally be the price that it's easy to buy and sell at. It's still very easy to get keys at 6 ref with just a little looking around on outpost/tf2tp/whatever, and of course I can hardly go to a trade server without running into someone selling them at that price. That may change the next time I log on, thanks to this suggestion, but hopefully the members of this site are intelligent enough to disregard ex post facto proof.


                                                                                                        Also, in the OP, you'll notice that while there are MANY sellers at 6.22-6.33, very few appear to have actually sold their keys at that price, while there is a wealth of proof for sellers at 6.11-6.22. It seems to me like the previous suggestion of 6-6.11 was accurate, in that those prices are the most common for actual purchases/sales, while things outside of that range don't seem to get many hits. Downvoted.

                                                                                                          its a quick sell because the keys were sold in seconds and people wanted them because they were below the normal price._. don't see how you can't understand that. And I'd disagree with that buying keys for 6 ref of tf2 outpost statement, maybe there is some on classified but i can never find any on tf2 outpost

                                                                                                          not to mention is VERY easy to sell for 6.22.

                                                                                                            In what way is 6 ref below the normal price? A quicksell implies that someone is selling an item at a markdown because they need a different form of currency (i.e., selling buds at 15 keys because they need the keys ASAP to buy something). Selling an item at the lower end of the current accepted price suggestion (literally <2% below the higher end) is hardly a quicksell, unless you take that term to literally mean that the item has sold quickly, in which case I've "quicksold" items at above their price suggestions. Additionally, if you can't find keys for 6 ref on outpost, maybe you need to look a little harder. The people with very large stockpiles of keys rarely sell them for that price, but they're the same folks who buy the keys at 6 ref and feel that they need to make that extra 1 or 2 scrap profit.


                                                                                                            I think saying that it's very easy to sell at 6.22 is a little bit of a stretch. you'll make some sales, sure (probably more now thanks to most people jumping the gun and raising their prices to 6.33), but not as may as the current price suggestions. I mean, you'd probably get some sales at the 6.55 ref mark, does that mean we should add that to the price suggestions? Hardly. Really, I think that what we need is a wider range than one scrap. The fact of the matter is that it's not that hard to find keys at 6 ref still, but many people are selling them at 6.22.

                                                                                                              no, less than what everyone else is selling, and althoguh it doesn't imply its a quick sell directly, it does mean the price range should be raised

                                                                                                                also, did you see my link of me selling 10~ keys in 3 day for a straight 6.22 ref

                                                                                                                  10 in 3 days? Man, those are just flying off the shelves. If you consider that to be a "VERY easy" sale, then I'd hate to see what you consider to be a difficult one.

                                                                                                                    He means 10 keys per day.

                                                                                                                      Ah, I thought he was referring to the photobucket link to him selling about 10 keys over the course of 3 days. Even still, the point stands; assuming that he did indeed sell over 30 keys (something that I have significant doubts about based on his backpack history and value), that's still a fairly average rate of sale. I'd have to imagine that the profit margin would be rather disappointing, though, especially if keys at 6 ref are that hard to find. A little over a ref a day hardly seems worth the trouble, to me at least.

                                                                                                                        well, i made 13 ref ;) and thats my major issue, its way too easy to make metal off buying and reselling keys. The only reason i made so much is by selling for 6ref+trading card along with 6.22

                                                                                                              The lower end shouldn't be bumped at all as long as people still sell for that price, if they do that it is price manipulation

                                                                                                              just some additional proof of my selling at least 10 keys/ day for the price of 6.22

                                                                                                              [url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15078098[url]

                                                                                                                    Shit, mate. I'd vote but I didn't see it ;S .

                                                                                                                      It was open for 8 seconds, you'd have to be a mlg wizard to vote on that.

                                                                                                                      Please stay polite.

                                                                                                                        just kidding guys, sorry :/, its an upvote from me, i proved it myself :/

                                                                                                                          What have you proved?

                                                                                                                            that 6 ref is a quicksale, keys should go up, got 4 adds in 3 secs when i sold my keys for 6 ref :/

                                                                                                                        Come now. That is both rude and off-topic.

                                                                                                                        What the hell is going on?

                                                                                                                        When selling for 6.11 ref i get 2 adds pretty quickly...

                                                                                                                        When selling for 6.22 ref nobody adds me....ever

                                                                                                                        Weird huh?

                                                                                                                          Should supply proof - that's what helps

                                                                                                                            3 days is an awfully long time considering that my links were on a duration of 20 hours.

                                                                                                                              5 trades with 7 keys in 3 days with one person and only one buying trade is fast.

                                                                                                                              i cant buy the entire market in 3 days

                                                                                                                            I'd like to point out you haven't shown how 6 refined is not possible at all.

                                                                                                                              I don't know, 12 days is a very short time for other suggestion on a so important item.


                                                                                                                              1 Month 1 suggestion is good for me. Staying neutral-down for now.

                                                                                                                                I bought 10 keys at 6 ref

                                                                                                                                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15062173

                                                                                                                                    6 ref is still possible


                                                                                                                                    http://i.imgur.com/eafE21i.png

                                                                                                                                          i have a wtb trade i am selling 6 ref per key i bought 5 since yesterday.

                                                                                                                                          also tf2 finance is still under 6.11 ref

                                                                                                                                            although this suggestion seems a bit premature:

                                                                                                                                            Thats. Not. How. It. Works. Period!

                                                                                                                                              I sold my 12 keys for 6 ref pretty instantly.

                                                                                                                                                6 ref is still possible...................................................

                                                                                                                                                  The amount of periods after your statement leads me to believe you're not overly confident about it. In the sense that 6 refined is still possible, just rather uncommon relative to higher sales.

                                                                                                                                                    6 ref is still possible !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                                                                                                                                  Just bought 5 keys for 6 ref each, from a few different traders. Not problem achieving 6 ref at all.

                                                                                                                                                    Yet again another biased suggestion.

                                                                                                                                                    Wholesale key market data:


                                                                                                                                                    http://tf2finance.com/keys/

                                                                                                                                                    Keys valued at 6.03 ref based on steam trade data.


                                                                                                                                                    http://www.trade.tf/price/5021/6

                                                                                                                                                    Keys selling at 6 ref


                                                                                                                                                    You need to check these sites before doing any research on keys as they are based on the ENTIRE market, and not just the inflated asking prices on outpost that get the odd quick buy.

                                                                                                                                                      upvote...


                                                                                                                                                      1. http://i.imgur.com/xrWIdVj.jpg = 6.11 refined for each 20 Oct 2013

                                                                                                                                                      2. http://i.imgur.com/OA1UJUl.jpg = 6.11 refined for each 21 Oct 2013

                                                                                                                                                        You realize that scrap.tf buys and sells keys at the lower and upper bounds of the backpack.tf price, right? So sales from there shouldn't really be used as proof for a price increase, since they'd raise their prices as soon as the increase went through. Additionally, any keys that you bought from there were sold there at 6 ref (or less), which really balances things out.

                                                                                                                                                          There is too much counter proof for me. Downvote.

                                                                                                                                                            Dese comment arguments are funny


                                                                                                                                                            So many people banned on currency suggestions, and rightfully so

                                                                                                                                                              As I watch the keys pop up on the classifieds for 6 ref, I'll down-vote this one.

                                                                                                                                                                Watch how fast they go up, then watch how fast they sell.

                                                                                                                                                                  That's well over 6 days ago, before this suggestion was made.

                                                                                                                                                                    3 in one month is hardly counterproof.

                                                                                                                                                                      Stop right there, criminal scum! my good sir!


                                                                                                                                                                      You haven't addressed 6 ref. at all.


                                                                                                                                                                      How do you expect this suggestion to pass if there is ZERO proof that the low end should be raised?

                                                                                                                                                                        So you just straight up ignored my +100 links of 6.11 sales? As well as my 6.22 sales?

                                                                                                                                                                        Ok.

                                                                                                                                                                          Those don't show a thing about 6 flat. If you simply wanted to raise the top end, your proof would be fine--but you're trying to remove 6 flat as well.


                                                                                                                                                                          You need to show unsuccessful buyers for 6 flat if you want to remove it from the range. It's not rocket science. Seriously, man...One would think you'd never done this before. Lots of proof for raising the high end, but you don't even address the low end you're trying to cut out.


                                                                                                                                                                          Also: The counter-proof is more convincing than your proof--especially relating to 6.00 sales. Maybe you should change the range and re-suggest ;)

                                                                                                                                                                            Going by bp.tf logic, 6 ref is automatically a quicksell, ergo it won't matter if he adds 1k links of 6 flat.

                                                                                                                                                                        For all you people raging about the key for refined price is too high then how about you actually do something and stop complaining the only reason it will go down is if there is to many in the market so if you would just buy from the mann co store the problem just might solve its self


                                                                                                                                                                        as for this suggestion I'm going to stay neutral the proof is good but there are so many people selling at 6 ref at the same time 6.11 flat would probably be better

                                                                                                                                                                          I don't believe there is much that can be done. Sell for lower and hope people follow suit? They'll turn around and sell for this site's price. Marketplace/Mann co store? That involves money, not ref. It was even proven that the ref:key ratio would = a lower price if it were to be priced that way. Boycott/Ignore the site altogether? Impossible. Pretty much EVERY trade server have the !pc command that fetches a price from this site and people follow it like the Holy Bible, going to the point where people mark others as "scammers" for going one weapon under the listed price. Understandable why one'd go neutral here, though counterproof is just discarded upon "final judgment" 97% of the time.

                                                                                                                                                                          You can still get keys for 6 ref fairly easily

                                                                                                                                                                          This proof is good. Upvote from me... People, don't rage about keys going up, it's just the fact that the tf2 economy is f***** up... We have to adapt to it.

                                                                                                                                                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15010439 I've been waiting....

                                                                                                                                                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15010343 AND FUCKING WAITING


                                                                                                                                                                              And Yes, for me, it's somewhat impossible to buy for 6Ref


                                                                                                                                                                              Though it's always good to try again: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15195429

                                                                                                                                                                                Have you tried bumping your trades? If you're not on the first page (maybe second) you're not gonna get anything.

                                                                                                                                                                                  BUYING 3 KEYS WITH 12REF


                                                                                                                                                                                  or y'know, 6ref each


                                                                                                                                                                                  add me

                                                                                                                                                                                    4 ref each, iz gud deel, 30/10 on the math, idk fractions either 8)

                                                                                                                                                                                      that moment you realize the mistake

                                                                                                                                                                                        yeah :P dunno why i got so many dislikes though

                                                                                                                                                                                          Maybe they thought you were actually advertising xD

                                                                                                                                                                                    It's not possible to buy for 6 any more, unless you find a quickseller. Everyone else has bumped up their prices upon this suggestion's birth.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Keys are selling just fine at 6-6.11, raising them for the sake of raising them won't help anything. If they go up too much it will be cheaper to buy them from the manco store or game traders will look to a different income source. I realize keys are in constant demand but if they keep going up this quickly something will break. We need a better reason to up the key price rather then "they sell fast" and "people will pay more".

                                                                                                                                                                                          We use IRL money to value our 1&0's we pirce them to what we want in real money, which at the moment backpack.tfs "SUGGESTED!" price on keys is $1.85 and ref is $0.30-31 and if you do the math thats 5.96-6.18ref per key. so 6-6.22 would make a better "suggestion" rather then highering the base line which is still very comman(proven over and over) AND! Do not forget any one selling keys for 6.22 on op bought or is buying those keys for 6-6.11.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Oh and btw no one has to follow the spread sheets ya know? you don't have to follow them just because they exist. You can buy and sell all the keys you want for what ever you want and be happ. People may or may not buy/sell them to you, but hey some one eventualy will. We all need to remeber that the spread sheets are just suggestions not set rules...

                                                                                                                                                                                            Sure, you don't have to follow the suggestions, but

                                                                                                                                                                                            There are so many people that do, it's not easy to buy a key for 2.66 ref right now without being called a "scammer."


                                                                                                                                                                                            And to stay in topic, I prefer the price as they are now, maybe a 6.00-6.22 suggestion would be better


                                                                                                                                                                                            Just my opinion :p

                                                                                                                                                                                              the grammar... the spelling... I don't even want to bother reading all of this

                                                                                                                                                                                            6 refined is still possible. Downvote.

                                                                                                                                                                                              If the price is being raised, then obviously those selling for below it would be able to easily sell. Your statement would be valid only if the price was being lowered. The question is whether 6 ref is a quicksale or not, not if it's possible. That was proven to be true 2 suggestions ago, when the price was raised to 6 keys flat.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Currency selling quickly does not mean it is a "quicksale". It's not a commodity item, it's like exchanging quarters to dimes and nickels with somebody.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Incorrect. This was already discussed in a previous suggestion by Jymotion, and and I will quote you his eloquently stated arguments, which are in line with my own: "keys are commodities, like gold, not currency like dollars. ... if keys were an inter-changeable currency with metal, there would be no need for price suggestions on them. ... the fact that you don't see any problem with just establishing an arbitrary static exchange rate shows how poorly you understand markets. there isn't anything inherently 'wrong' with a flat price, but when some people are willing to pay more than others and some sellers are willing to sell for less than others, it simply is not accurate. Unlike dollar bills, keys are not perfectly elastic goods. ... the relationship between keys and metal is not perfectly analogous to the relationship between dollars and cents." I hope this helps.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    ""keys are commodities, like gold, not currency like dollars. ..."


                                                                                                                                                                                                    If this is true, things should not be valued in keys. We do not value items such as cars in gold, do we now?

                                                                                                                                                                                                      TF2's economy is a barter economy. It does not have set "currencies." Other than refined, all items are commodities with varying prices and price ranges.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Did you not pay attention to the rest of my post? If keys were an interchangeable currency with metal, there would be no need for price suggestions on them; everyone would buy and sell them at exactly the same metal price. But this is not the case; people buy and sell for varying prices, which is why there is no arbitrary, static exchange rate, but rather a range of suggested value that often fluctuates.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        So explain to me why we have items priced in what you say are "commodity items"? If this was true, everything should be priced in refined.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Keys are used in item pricing for both convenience and because they are commonly used as currency items within the game. This, however, does not mean that they have an elastic, static value. You can see the inherent flaws of a system such as this in the current pricing crisis that Unusuals are undergoing. Because they were priced in a commodity prone to fluctuation (similar to keys), many prices are now inaccurate.

                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm not sure if this will help or not, but i bought a key for 5.88 ref


                                                                                                                                                                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14983014


                                                                                                                                                                                              If this doesn't work, then i apologize

                                                                                                                                                                                                lol you buy you not have metal... hahaaaa

                                                                                                                                                                                                  I find your lack of grammar disturbing...

                                                                                                                                                                                                The higher they raise, the harder they will fall

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Not really. Considering the buying power of the key in this economy as well as the growing nature of it, keys can't really crash without an outside event affecting it. Something like that would be keys sold at $1.00 in the Mann Co. Store, etc. Valve's making too much money for that to happen, so basically the only other factor would be the rise of another currency as a replacement or alternative to keys - refined metal. Now, we all know ref isn't going to leave. Idling is still possible and prominent and there aren't nearly enough metal sinks what with the dead craft market (which, of course, has the objective of getting what is in essence cheap keys for ref). So will they crash? Terribly unlikely. Will they keep climbing? Probably.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    When, it can't keep climbing forever that's foolish to think that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    That being said whether its people stop playing Tf2 or like you said an outside event, eventually it will crash

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Of course it can keep climbing as long as TF2 is active, that's the point. There's a set cap for dollar value but no limit for how low refined, as something all players receive for free, can go.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Screenie from a friend.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    [url]http://i.imgur.com/rVVDoDm.png[/url]

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Site not benefiting the rich my ass.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    They should add that filter for having too high a bp value. xD

                                                                                                                                                                                                        i notice that there are alot of rippers and trade low sell high people on outpost tf, undervalue things that are like 5 ref for like 2.66 and expect good trades, lol

                                                                                                                                                                                                          upvote! confirm it!

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Key prices are still available for 6 ref on trade servers. people seem to forget backpack and outpost are not the only place to buy keys

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Not only on trade servers, I went to outpost and pressed page 7 and Immediately found a trade selling keys for 6 ref.....

                                                                                                                                                                                                              He still has 7, one hour later.....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Still not closed?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Wow.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15213154

                                                                                                                                                                                                                I am the only one who has bought any keys from this guy for 2 hours now...(He's selling all)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                He still has 5 at the time of posting. http://i.imgur.com/xMrnWbt.png

                                                                                                                                                                                                                This does not only prove that 6 ref is still very possible,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                it proves many of you are just lazy and bad at

                                                                                                                                                                                                                searching. Just because the first 5 pages only sells for

                                                                                                                                                                                                                6.22-6.44 doesn't mean there are not sellers for less,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                let alone successful buyers.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                That's it, now go rape him, hoarders


                                                                                                                                                                                                                ( http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15214642 Put up for 6 ref and went offline, shitstorm coming up lol)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    tried selling some keys @6.22, couldnt. It is taking like forever. Downvote.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      now try to buy key for 6.11 it gona take forever... easly get for 6.22

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Hello and sorry to say, but this does not proof that 6.22 is a good price. For all I know, you can try to buy for 6.77-7 ref and you will still get adds and sellers. Many players will hoard a buyer if they see they are buying for above the current suggested price.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Link?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Technically they buy all keys available easily for 6 ref and won't resell for anything else but higher, and they know a buyer eventually will come and that their key won't drop in value...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Basically, we have too many key dealers making sooo little profit each, it's inflating the keys too much.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Basically, we are turning TF2 into a marketing simulator, good job backpack.tf!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Honestly speaking, I can still get keys for 6 ref in trade servers and outposts as well as bazaar. So, I don't see the point of rising the price for keys at all, at the moment at least.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            6-6.11 is very stable range for keys.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Well this is going to be interesting. Just a heads up TF2WH buys keys for 5.66 and sells them for 6 ref, and currently have over 25k keys still. I'm surprised no one used TF2WH as Counter proof in any of the other posts.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Because Bots aren't used in proof, that's why.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I saw some keys on classifieds for 6 refined also,so i think the current range is fine

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Congrats : http://puu.sh/4XAsq.png


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                There's only one online seller for 6 ref, and it's 33 minutes old.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  buyer for 6.11 refined


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15218768 check backpack buyer

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    i sold 3 now for 6.22 refined pure


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    proof: http://i.imgur.com/RxBC5YN.png


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    is test..

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        >nobody on friends list


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Congrats on making an alt account to hide behind because you're afraid of saying it where people will actually judge you on it. 0.1/10 troll, you tried.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Edit to help suggestion : Managed to sell one for 6.33 within a day http://bazaar.tf/trade/497656

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Have the balls not to hide behind your alt when you decide shitpost about a site.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Obvious alt account because your backpack was last cached full of Eerie Crates and checking your Outpost trades shows that you commonly traded them back and forth with a person named: Sir Yoshi, The Rapidinator


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Item: http://www.tf2outpost.com/item/440,1563692582 (scroll to bottom to see frequent back and forth trading of item)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          From: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/4715957


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Main Account Steam Profile: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198053579762


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Learn to understand how to be constructive on a suggestion and maybe you won't get warned.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Sorry spam admins


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          very easy sale key for 6.22 refined sold more 1 now


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          proof: http://i.imgur.com/eK5gKsd.png

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          the drop go down and here requesting set the key 6.11 - 6.22, ok u can to sell keys 6.11 6.22 6.33 or anything but u will sell less keys, less metal this will take more time for the 60 - 70% players, i am leaving this game for this un control system for set prices, i am selling all in my bp NOT backpack.tf prices =), i am saying bye bye to tf2 then.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Not to be mean, But a lot of people take 6 Ref as "LowBall" price. They do not sell at 6 Ref, i bought 1 for 6 ref, and that was when Keys were 5.88-6 Ref. I Payed in Pure, So i think Price of keys needs to stay at a simple price and stop increasing So drastic in such a short of Time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                smart comment

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  You don't think the price of keys should raise because people rarely sell to you for 6 refined? That sentence doesn't make much sense.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Especially when accompanied with the fact that you sold 2 keys for 6.22 refined: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15139733


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Plus you're currently looking to purchase as many keys as you can with the metal you have for 6.11 refined: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15222430


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  You, sir, sound like a grade-A hypocrite.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    good or bad, i am not playing this 1 week or more and only go to trade and well, i think 6 ref is a good price , raise the price is really so bad for this thinking in the bad drop with the last patch released, then many players is buying but this will go down with the time eventually

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Actually i sold keys for 6.11 Soooo, Learn to read the prices xD

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        To be honest, I wouldn't have a HUGE problem if the suggestion was for 6-6.22...


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ...But taking that out of range is a horrible idea, as seen in the counter proof, many people still sell for 6 ref. Basically, 6 ref is now considered a "QUICKSELL' because we have too many people in this economy that want that extra scrap in their backpack.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        To me, the term "QUICKSELL" is just a stupid excuse to raise the price, any price can be considered a "QUICKSELL" since people can always get away with getting a little profit from the "RECOMMENDED" price.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        So.. In conclusion, if you want raise the price, then i find it okay(ish); but please leave 6 ref in the new price, as it's completely pointless to leave it out.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Adding more proof, don't mind me.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            6.11

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15225701

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15225585

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15225034

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15224486

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15224145

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15224035 - sold 5

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223794

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223754

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223506

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223445

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/id/52378f3b4dd7b859488b456e --> http://puu.sh/4XUGK.png

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223370 - sold 3

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223258

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223138

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15222926

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15222625

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15222464

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15222410

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15222324

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15222171

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15222115

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15221960

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15221691

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15221372

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15220306

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15219428

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15219313

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15219230

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15219227

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15219131

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://bazaar.tf/trade/498205

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15218898

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15218588

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15218578

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15218511

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15218396

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15218392

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15218005

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15217924

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15217646

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15217280

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15216934

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15216880

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15216745

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15216692

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15216225

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15216194

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://bazaar.tf/trade/497953

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15215243

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15215781

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15215125

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15214949

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15214828

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15214706

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15214580

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15214316

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15214297

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15214160

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15214108

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15213821

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15213557

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15213146

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15212812

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15212625

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15212497

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15210358

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15209717

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15208596 --> http://puu.sh/4XWTu.png

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15208588

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15208196

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15208023

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15207992

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15207870

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15207765

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15207689

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15207570

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15207139

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15207094

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15206658

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15206608

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15206392

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15206386

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15205893

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15205376

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15205304

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15204973

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15204212

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15202765 - buyer

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            This leads to me thinking that 6.11 is a quicksellish price not only because it sells fast, but most sells in under 10 views.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            6.22-6.33

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15202580

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15203553

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15204871

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15204799

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15204615

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15204486

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15204443

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15205213

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15206383

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15206203

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15207241

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15207607 - sold multiple

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15207825

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15207671

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15207749

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15208764

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9851412

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15207978

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15208295

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://bazaar.tf/trade/497225

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15208627

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15212039

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15213530

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15213400

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15210210

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15214885

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15213731

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15213637

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15214104

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15214462

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://bazaar.tf/trade/497822

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15215670

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15215079

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15215032

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://bazaar.tf/trade/497346

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15216244

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15216867

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15217385

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://bazaar.tf/trade/498052

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15208835

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15218080

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15217917

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15217747

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15218413

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15218532

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15218644

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15219350

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15219076

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15219323 - might've sold for 6.22

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15220054

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15219709

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15221362

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15221425

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15221496

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15221489

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15222097

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15222583

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15222665

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223366

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223861

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15224120

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15225591

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://bazaar.tf/trade/498379

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15224228

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15224218

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223783

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://bazaar.tf/trade/498620

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223529

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9852652

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15208010 - ...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Will add more


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Also I noticed a lot of classified sellers for 6 ref. They are all invalid because they already sold theirs or offline.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Lastly

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15215375 - Look at the amount of adds for 6.11. ._.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Keep in mind that my proofs is a duration of 1 day while the buyers for 1 day are days old.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm not sure what that last link is benefiting, since 6.11 is still in the range

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                uh that fact that 6.11 is ,if not a quicksell, nearly a quicksell?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    No I know by personal experience that 6 ref alone is a quicksell

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15149805 --> http://puu.sh/4Uz4Y.jpg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I understand what you're saying, and I totally respect your suggestion and all...


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      But, I dunno. To me, that link tells me that nobody wants to sell for 6 ref because of two things.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. People want profit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. Buyers AND Sellers know that there will be a price suggestion like this one every week or so.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      My point is, the economy is very scare at the moment, and many of us are very afraid of the future of the economy/mannconomy. Many people thought keys would rise, so, people sell higher; people see it as proof, and it becomes one big domino effect.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      My final words for this suggestion will be this: If people wish to raise the price, they are only hurting themselves. Because by this rate, keys will become as high as the price of the store. Many people would want to sell to get the ref they need; which goes to proof; one passing suggestion to lower the price and the domino effect will start again.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Such a crazy economy we have, don't we? The best move in my opinion would to stay out if it and not play.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      (I would also like to apologise for my outburst earlier, totally the bad thing to do)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Take it to the forums. This is a verbal warning

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. Economy is Balanced rising is not dangerous, you know have so many buyers or sellers for keys and metal

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. That's not how you think!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          3. Otherwise the key would fall in a long time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      6.11

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15202765 - buyer

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15060368 - BOT BUYER FOR 6.11


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15025921 - buyer 6.11, sold multiple 6.22


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      6.22

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15146567

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15175361

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14969079

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15117905


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I apologize for any duped/invalid links


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Also mini-celebration: This is the most voted key suggestion ever!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm sorry let me rephrase my last sentence, typo


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Keep in mind that my proofs is a duration of 1 day while 6 ref buyers are days old.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      good job. my vote is UP! good luck for others

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Selling =\= Sold


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Seriously? You have a blue star and this is a key suggestion.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I think with the rise up ref there's no need in increasing this any higher if it does it could hurt the ref value and drop again ( but possible wrong)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Story of my life, why hasn't this suggestion been accepted yet? I would have thought the proof was amazeballs

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Probably because despite the immense proof, still has a whopping 0 links for 6 ref and is clearly avoiding that price.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    He doesn't need any link for 6 ref eince he is trying to remove that from the current range, whats the point of having like 400 6 ref links when suggesting to get rid of it? Unbought @ 6 ref i would agree with, but he doesn't need to prove anything for 6 ref at all since he is removing it from the current range

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posting 30 links showing buds can be sold at 18 doesn't mean the new price should be 18 flat, if 17 still is possible, it should stay, since the market for currencies is so big and should be changing slowly

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  off topic and has major flaws in it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Even if keys keep rising, 300 ref is nigh-on impossible because that doesn't fit in a trade window. You (or well, the guy that first posted it) also say "gonna cash out now". The key in your story still costs $2.49, meaning that he can cash out a whopping $2.48 (because second hand market can never be on par with or over first hand which has infinite stock). 300 ref would also deliver 100 hats, meaning a single hat will cost <2.5 cent according to this story. And how does the guy give an unusual hat for a key? The only real purpose of keys in unboxing unusuals or trading for them. So unusuals will not go below a key, as that takes away the whole purpose of keys.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Now take it to the forums with this

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Willing suspension of disbelief?


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Besides, that was an awesome story, and the fact that I have absolutely nothing to prevent cleverpun from warning me right now isn't going to take anything away from that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    quickly quickly

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      what's so bad about ^^ comment that it got a -1?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        its too quickly quickly! sold in 23 views!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          How convenient that you say that 2 hours after the link was posted.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Love those - 3's . I feel so carefree now after that suggesting thing

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Just because you're a retired blue belt doesn't mean you can get off-topic.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          If you noticed, the last 2 key suggestions were accepted by yellow belts.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Cool! How's life with keys Kodorin? Im staying neutral

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Why all of the key suggestion based on the key sellers? They always sells keys more than the bp price.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Its more accurate:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        http://tf2finance.com/keys/

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          sold now 5 min ago

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          6.22 refined for each


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          proof: http://i.imgur.com/xXOdxqY.jpg 2 keys

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          proof: http://i.imgur.com/wMAJeNL.png 1 key

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            let's look at this mathematically

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            the trend for keys suggestions hav become farther spread apart making a curve towards a flatline

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            keys are currently $2.50 on the mannco store

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            keys range from $2-$2.5 on the steam market

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ref is currently $0.3

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            this means that the keys are approaching the horizontal asymptote whose maximum is 8.33 ref and whose minimum is 6.66 ref

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            while keys are within that range, 1 of two things will happen, ref will be pushed down to accomodate more room for keys, or they will crash. keys will eventually crash if they reach this range, however it may take some time depending on how far down ref is pushed. with the sudden influx of keys in the market the enter of the asymptote range will start the proverbial dominoes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            note: i blame no one for this, this is most likely a side effect of the market

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ref is 0.3-0.32 on sourceop where the keys is 1.70-1.80...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                scrap.tf now buying at 6.11

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                no one gonna sell for 6 ref anymore

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                hint: downvoting won't get you free rep

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  So, first avole. Kill thread author.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Second. We got example of selling keys for 6.11 rather quickly. But it's not reason to raise the price. However, there is more examples of selling keys for 6.11, so it's not enough.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  As i always say, there are more than 2-3 thousands key trading operations every day. And you want to show us 100-200-300 examples of quickselling(Some people just need metal fast) and based of 1-2% of all trades trying to raise price.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  So gimme 50-60% of all trades amount examples of selling keys for more than standart price, or get out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Permanent downvore ^_^

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Peace all.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    sold 7 keys for 6.22 refined each 5 min ago


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Proof: http://i.imgur.com/XRNZSZb.jpg 43.55 refined

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        http://i.imgur.com/BePQOcx.jpg - 4 Keys = 6.22 refined each

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              well this is the first suggestion I've ever made but honestly i very rarely see keys going for 6 ref normally its somewhere around 5.66 ref i don't have any screenshots of trading keys considering i rarely do it but if anyone else agrees with me and is willing to upload screenshots of them going for this price please do.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Additional proof under the duration of 22 hours.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6.11

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15241792

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15241381

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15241269

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15241168

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15240663

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15240503 - sold 3

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15239650

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15239385

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15239249

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15239019

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15238882

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15238866

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15238222

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15236759

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15236688

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15236473

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15236302

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15236111

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15236002

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15235653

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15235551

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15235333

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15234515

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15234126

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15233933

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15232759

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15232605

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15232462

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15231893

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15231547

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15231230

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15231031

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15230982

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15230794

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15230525

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15230414

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15230330

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15229913

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15229763

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15229521

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15229345

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15228847

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15228661

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15228058

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15228041

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15227849

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15227848 - offered 6.11

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15227724

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15227712 - sold 2

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15227685


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6.22-6.33

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15227781

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15228164

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15228199 --> http://puu.sh/4YMej.png

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15228251

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15228940

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9853132

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15229595

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15230832

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15231150

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9853328

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15233892

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15233860

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15233682

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15233371

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9853559

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15233893

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15236103

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15235798

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15235687

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15236645

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15236243

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9853843

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15238639

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15238571

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15238650

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15239191

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15239350

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15239338

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15240433

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://bazaar.tf/trade/500081

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15240226

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15239771

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15236839

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15241596

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15241589

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15240771


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://scrap.tf/keys -Scrap.tf is now buying for 6.11.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  This leads me thinking that 6 ref is a quickbuyer trade. Of course there will be successes, but only because people will go to those buyers for convenience. I mean why would you go to those 6 ref buyers when you can go to an 24-hour service bot that can buy plenty for 6.11?


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I apologize for any invalid/duped links.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Well what the issue is in this system is that when keys were 6ref they were sold for 6.11 then backpack.tf rose the price to 6.11 and people sell them for 6.22 this is a continuing procese which will end in the expected sad fall of the mannconomy eventually keys will be worth 3245423 keys and buds will be worth 2 scrap I miss when buds were worth 21keys and keys were around 4.33-4.66 area I hope this process of key rising will end. <3 you cleverpun

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    most people are selling at 6.22 but buyers often buy at 6 ref

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      its is from my exprience from a lot of trade servers

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            How did keys good up this fast in the first place? Please someone tell me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            6.11 Is a quicksell I posted 1 on classifieds and got 3 adds in 5 seconds.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Why is it taking so long?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                It's taking long because there's substantial evidence against this suggestion, but also a lot of proof for it at the same time, and it always takes a long time for any currency to pass because they're considered to be a big change within the economy.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                If you want to speed it up, go find us some proof that's new and argue for either side of the debate.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    "Proof or not, I downvote" That's the attitude everyone hates around here, blind voting. You're supposed to analyze the evidence given to us, and *then* decide whether or not the price should change. Not simply because you do or don't want it to.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I can upvote or downvote whenever and whoever I want. You have no right to tell me what I should do. Also, what makes you think I care what backpack.tf thinks about me? A lot of people hate sites like backpack.tf and spreadsheets these days, so it doesn't really matter.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Oh god, still not closed/acceped? :D

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        im just saying right now, keys are selling for 6.22 mostly now, and people are buying them, very quick sell is 6 ref and quick sell is around 6.11, go look on the backpack classified and search keys 90% of keys on there are going for 6.22 +

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Can Now this Suggestion come to an end ??? CLOSE OR ACCEPT OMG IT CANT BE SO DIFFICULT !!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          trades Mann Co. Supply Crate Key Tool open in TF2outpost.com = 16,388 occurence(s) (+80%) for Metal 6.22 refined-6.33 refined


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          You Know Check all: http://www.tf2outpost.com/search/162591388

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Gonna upvote this, i'm buyed keys for 6 ref and 6 ref it's definitely a quick-sell tried to buy several times for A LOT of players and they already sold it, i'm sold a lot of keys for 6.33 and i'm can provide proof.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            UPVOTE!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            But you really need more proof KoDoRin...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Owns 1?!??! Downvote!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            nah jk upvote :p

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I just logged in to this site to check key prices after several months of quitting trading.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Key prices have gone up 2 ref, and the proofs are always bad, proven wrong in comments, yet always accepted.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              And that's why I quit. Inflating prices for funsies/profit.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Adding up all my proofs and supporting proofs is ~450-500 links

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Is that bad? :S

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                well i thought i'd just add some "proof" if this counts as anything; scrap.tf is already banking keys at 6.11/6.22 :P Even though its a bot site its still super popular and widely used :| maybe that counts as something

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Once this suggestion opened, scrap.tf quickly went from always having keys available to buy @ 6.11, to never having any available @ 6.11 for more than five seconds before someone snatched them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Of course it changes the whole deal. Scrap.tf may be one out of the thousands who sells keys, but they have such an influence to the market and their abundance of metal allows them to buy keys for 6.11 at any time without worrying getting low in metal making it harder than ever for 6 ref buyers to get sales. I mean logically: Would you rather sell your key for 6.11 ref to a 24-hour automated bot that can buy your key anytime or sell your key for 6 ref if the seller can be potentially offline. Not to mention it's so easy to find other bot buyers for 6.11 (see above) to begin with. Hope you liked my long boring lecture. :P

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I sold a few keys at 6.11


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Staying neutral for now though

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        6.11 is in the range though.