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This guy is doing a key suggestion? KILL HIM
This is what happens to a poor trader when you leave up a key trade for some time for 6 ref http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=282lus9&s=5 and this happened over a week ago. So I would imagine the situation is a lot worse
Classifieds http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/id/51fffb0c4bd7b8840a000011
Few sellers for 6.11. Rest are 6.22.
Just so easy to sell for 6.11
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15144549
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15144390
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15144161
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15143890
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15143486
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15142708
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15142574
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15142209 - sold 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15141895
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15141771
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15141543 - buyer
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15141450
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15141335 - sold 4
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15141270
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15141265
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15141139
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15140626
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15140141
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15139928 - sold 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15139884
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15139820
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9845764
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15139270
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15139206
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15139091
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15139039
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15138946
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15138673
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15138076 - sold 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15138057 - sold 3
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15137474
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15137295
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15136941
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15136892
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15136837
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15136783
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15136046 - out of stock
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15136023
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15135968 - sold 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15135767
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15135740
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15135675
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9845438
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15135364
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15135341 - sold 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15135278
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15135227 - sold 5
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15135115
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15134695
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15134296
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15134292
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15134099 - sold 4 6.11 + 1 wep
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15134021
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15133936
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15133918
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15133757
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15133708 - sold 3
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15133658
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15133341
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15133150
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15132974 - sold 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15132895
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15132863 - sold 5
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15132550
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15132210 - sold 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15132166
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15132046
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15131681
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15131500
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15131193
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15131129 - sold 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15130821
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15130382
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15129861
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15129825
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15129669
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15129658
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15129376 - sold 4
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15128924 - sold 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15128895
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15128592 - buyer
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15128410
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15128234
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15128140
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15128032
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15127413
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15126891
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15126701 - sold 3
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15125640
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15125283
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15125081
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15125039
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15123583
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15123485
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15123471
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15123415
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15123342
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15123156
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14700933
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15122767
http://bazaar.tf/trade/489993
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15122423
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15122015
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15121883
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15121597
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15121580
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15121321
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15121210
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15120861
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15120789
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15120693
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15120256
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15119894
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15119863
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15119608 - sold 2
6.22-6.33 solds
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15121083
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15122913
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15122818
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15124508
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15126161
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15125761
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15127835
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15127503 - sold 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15128431
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15128674
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15129518
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15130166
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15126275
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15131110
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15131098 - sold 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15132809
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15131488
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15134918
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15134787
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15136712 - sold 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15136311
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15137999
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15137859
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15138527
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15138260
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15139641 - sold 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15140508
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15141701
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9845947
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15141814
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15139777
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15135503
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15124364
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15139733
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9844968
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15124274
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15130641
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15124338
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15136963
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15124446
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15143665
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15136044
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15132564
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15143577 - sold 7
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15140109 - 5 craft hats?
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15134711
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15139938
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15131798
More 6.22 solds http://backpack.tf/vote/id/526060f14dd7b8af408b456b
Please refrain insulting in this suggestion. I prefer it to be as clean as possible.
Feel free to counter / support my proofs, but try not to make 6 ref look like a quicksell
Dat proof... my god... amazing...
Upvote C:
Lots of it is invalid, we don't need to raise keys. Check = ocu = [TWP] comment, don't upvote.
So much proof,
Gotta upvote.
Upvote, Good Proof
no worries, keys goes up ref & bud goes down
They go down because keys worth more ._. Shitty prices, I hate it
It's more along the lines of:
Everything under a key goes down in value
Everything at a key or more stays the same
Lastly everything in the bud range goes down.
(Speaking in actual currency ofcourse)
As much as I don't want keys to go up, this is very very good proof my good man.
Gotta up vote dis :3
http://backpack.tf/vote/id/4ff95f739ae21a051d000000
http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5060f8cb49d7b8b45a000000
http://backpack.tf/vote/id/508c3ee249d7b8fa6a000001
Remember remember
Where is the proof in those suggestions?
Were there no suggestion rules back then and you can get any price listed that you wanted?
Sometimes yes. Keys usually needed proof, but I think back then they were more worried on getting prices set than them being more accurate. Now that there's hardcore bp.tf users and prices set the focus has been on updating prices. If you want a dude who made it to 286 suggestions passed with no proof, look no further than the dude who priced a LOT of unusuals with no proof at all during the dawn of bp.tf:
http://backpack.tf/u/76561198030473541
Here are some of your invalid links, that I got in less than 3 minutes of checking:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15129518 (2/3 still in seller's inventory)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15126275 (still in seller's inventory)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15131098 (1/2 in seller's inventory, you claimed he sold 2)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15132809 (3/4 in seller's inventory)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15131488 (6/8 in seller's inventory)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15143577 (He still has all the keys, you claimed he sold 7)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15134918 (1/1 in seller's inventory)
I can go on.
Congratulations. Your already invalid proof is even more invalid now.
You're too reliant on trade histories
L1 still valid
L2 no longer in bp, valid
L3 still valid
L4 still valid
L5 still valid
L6 I'll give you that one, he seems to switch to a dota2 backpack
L7 valid, look at backpack.
Please go on, I actually like people going through my links.
Also how is my proof invalid to begin with? >_>
No longer in backpack doesn't mean he sold it. Putting it on the steam market also works. If you are setting the key price in refined metal here, you have to at least make sure it was sold for refined metal, and not for $ or not used to buy an item. If you have the time, go cross-check the buyer's and seller's inventories, and the changes in their trades. Still, there is no way to know for certain. Now you're introducing even more uncertainty to a tiny and biased data set. Horrible.
I have explained many times why it's not a valid proof. Please take your time and read my posts here and there.
Then in a way, everything is inaccurate. (Assumptions.)
If you're that paranoid that they didn't sell it for ref, go ahead and add them yourself.
I'm glad you got that.
Is someone going to counter-suggest at 6.11 flat or is everyone going to sit here and complain and provide no counter anything lol. It is really not that easy to buy at 6 ref at all, but 6.22 is clearly fairly presumptuous.
But later on 6,22 will become easy and the price will still climb
Alright, welcome to my suggestion within a suggestion. Someone needs to start stepping up and actually providing counterproof to the baseless linkspam that key suggestors like kodorin try to pass of as "proof". There is a reason this suggestion has not passed, and it's not just because of the probable borderline vote tally. Here is a full representation of new key trades in the past 18 hours, during the peak period of the week and time for the tf2 market. This does not include 6.22 unsolds (huge, huge amount of them).
Proof
Sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254321 uh
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256237 5.22 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255416 5.33 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257076 5.66 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255068 5.66 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262194 5.66 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262028 5.66 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15252021 9 for 5.88 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265036 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262161 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263487 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262828 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256825 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256794 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257580 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257247 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261421 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262815 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262717 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254938 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262662 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251028 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262379 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261268 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253930 6 ref unbumped
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262763 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254733 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263372 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257673 6 ref for 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263475 9 for 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256016 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15249629 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15249594 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259174 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258553 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265810 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257901 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265878 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258118 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253608 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257148 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256094 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258114 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253270 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15252385 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15250993 6 ref 4
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253243 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15250924 6 ref
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9855038 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253270 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263705 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259699 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251874 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254093 6 ref unbumped
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9855591 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15260852 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259736 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253063 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251471 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15260704 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264653 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255794 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261950 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261691 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256562 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261986 6.05 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261123 6.05 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261092 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256006 6.11 ref?
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15260912 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264042 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254062 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255387 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15249586 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253451 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253037 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15252990 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251977 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255165 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253139 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254910 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265827 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15252259 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15250257 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15249293 6.11 ref
http://bazaar.tf/trade/500916 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15250179 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15250053 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15252232 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253783 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251539 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15250021 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15249994 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15249841 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251508 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253686 6.11 ref
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9854884 6.11 ref
http://bazaar.tf/trade/501096 6.11
http://bazaar.tf/trade/501616 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262863 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256623 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254676 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254265 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251195 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254216 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254139 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256044 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256586 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265027 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255784 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256197 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255122 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256996 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265013 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253065 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257229 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257647 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257639 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256566 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257637 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259400 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255484 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263128 6.11 ref started at 6.22
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263563 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258574 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262984 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15260052 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15260671 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15260630 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263130 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259853 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262159 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262719 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263524 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263627 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264142 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258028 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263805 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264102 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258079 key shop, bought 1 6.11 ref and sold 1 6.22 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253112 6.16
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259364 has an add at 6.16
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263824 buying 6.05 selling 6.16
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258573 6.16 each
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259875 honestly have no idea if he used/sold it
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15250782 6.22 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259388 sold 1 for 6.22
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258629 2 for 6.22
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257894 6.22 ref
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9855303 6.22 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255780 6.22 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15252057 6.22 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261322 6.22 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251348 6.22 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251885 6.22 ref 4
Selling
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265286 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263457 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265248 6 ref
http://bazaar.tf/trade/501533 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264545 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256031 6.11 ref unbumped
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263072 6.11 ref sold 1
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9856071 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253637 6.11 ref unbumped
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254535 6.11 ref unbumped
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265236 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264926 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264898 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263063 6.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253261 6.11 ref unbumped
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263201 6.22 ref ( no bites)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257850 1 for 6.22 sold 1
Additional context
http://imgur.com/a/FwtD2 43 closed bp.tf classified listings. If you're too lazy to go through them, there are 23 6.11 ref sales, 20 6 ref sales, 1 6.05 ref sale, 2 5.88 sales, 1 6.16 sale, and ~4 6.22 sales.
http://imgur.com/a/OZDnA Me buying/selling keys on trade servers for 6 ref. Have some buys from scrap.tf on there at 6.11 but not really as relevant. I really don't buy that many keys lol, I do see advertisements at 6 more than this. I've literally never had to buy a key for 6.22, even when I was desperate lol
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15249920
Conclusion
The actual opened and finished trades during the past 18 hours tell a very different story than the one that is being passed off as fact here through baseless links. In my opinion, this shows that 6.22 has absolutely no place in the range (like I've been saying all week). Whether or not 6 ref belongs in the range is up for debate. Hopefully this will finally get this ugly key suggestion closed so either another one can be made or the price can be left alone for awhile. Thanks.
Oh god! I promise it'll never happen again, Sergeant Trade!
Looking at my Keybot's logs, I saw that it succesfully purchased 19 keys over the last 24 hours, for 6 refined each. I should add that my bot was banned (without a proper reason, by Bluedemon) from the outpost until afternoon today (special thanks to HelenAngel for removing my ridiculous ban) and I was cross-advertising via another bot, which is not as effective. More reason for downvote.
Bots aren't valid counter proof. I can easily use bots that sell at 6.33 that sold 50+ but they're not valid because they're bots.
They may not be valid, but still, they can show that buying / selling Keys at several Prices may or may not be possible.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15137189 --> http://puu.sh/4YY7B.png :|
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15149805 --> http://puu.sh/4Uz4Y.jpg http://puu.sh/4Uz5a.png
Got 9 adds within 10 minutes, then got 3 more adds as an aftermath. That's why 6 ref shouldn't belong in the range anymore.
God damnit just when i thought the community was being saved by troll
why shouldn't 6 ref be in the range? it's still really easy to buy at 6 ref. Just saying.
http://puu.sh/4UMYi
http://puu.sh/4UMZ5
http://puu.sh/4UMZG
http://puu.sh/4UN18
http://puu.sh/4UN7M.png
http://puu.sh/4UN9a.png
http://puu.sh/4UN9J.png
http://puu.sh/4UNcJ.png
6 refined seems like a quicksell.
Sold my 3 keys at 6 ref in 12 seconds. Five people added me in the next 30 seconds. Definitely not valid, 6 ref is a quicksell.
5.88 is a quicksell. 4 ref, is a quicksell. 6 ref is THE PRICE OF KEYS, it is not a quicksell. Granted, keys have high demand, but they have high demand at almost any price. I've seen them go for as much as 8 ref. Does that mean we should raise the price to that? No.
It's more about HOW many people add you.
http://puu.sh/4Uz4Y.jpg - this is me getting 9 adds and 4 more as an aftermath upon selling for 6 ref for 10 minutes.
I know I shouldn't flame, but with a huge population buying keys what isn't a quicksell?
The supply and demand seems right, but demand is widespread. People don't just add to one person anymore, but add quite a bit.
With that in mind, I decided to root out your proof.
So now lets look at the links that are made by the same people, and the links added by the same people.
These are for 6.11 only.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15141895 and
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15141771 added by the same person.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15140141 and
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15142209 added by same person.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15131500 and
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15141270 are made by same person.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15139928 and
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15131193 are made by same person
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15129825 and
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15128234 are made by same person.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15129861 and
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15120789 are made by same person.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15121321 and
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15119608 are made by same person.
So that should invalidate a a couple. (7 to be exact)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15139091 -- Selling at 6.22 when on 6.11 list o3o
I think that is not high demand, just people doing "Profit", anyway, the proof of this suggestion is not very convincing.
He's talking about buying Keys at 6 Ref each is easy.
Couple of days ago (About 6 days) I was selling at 5.88 and took me an hour to get an add, this was still when 6-6.11 was in effect, ended up selling it for some shitty hats because I was in a rush. Some guy added me about 20 minutes after I sold it however
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15077971
http://imgur.com/QNOR13g
I'm proof to that :D Sold for 6 ref last time
Great Proof. Definite Upvote from me. Did you pull these from Trade.tf?
Where's PPM... it isn't a real key suggestion without his counterproof lol
Yeah kinda surprised him or final didn't show up...yet.
holidays coming up have anything to do with it going up ?
very nice and strong support, KoD, upvote
made a trade just to check if 6 ref is impossible:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15177149
got an add in 4 hours. Downvote
Added 6.11 buyers and tons of more sellers below
regardless, 6 ref is clearly possible and should be in the range
Uh with the amount of absurd buyers for 6.11 no it doesn't.
i think you meant absurd amount :P
also as the comments have Clearly shows there are equally as many 6 ref sales, and it should be in the range, im thinking the currant range is fine, especially since you are trying to prove 6.22 ref, NOT 6.11.
Scrap.tf is buying for 6.11. There is no real excuse why 6 ref should belong in the range anymore.
Aside from the obvious fact that there has been overwhelming proof in the comments showing you easy 6 ref sales.
also literally in the post above this one you stated how bots are not a valid proof,
"Bots aren't valid proof. I can easily use bots that sell at 6.33 that sold 50+ but they're not valid because they're bots."
and yet you are using scrap.tf as proof? hypocrite much
Bots are only invalid if they're selling above current range or buying below current range. Otherwise, they're the most solid type of proof. You still have much to learn. Besides, with bots buying for 6.11 [INCLUDING SCRAP.TF] and the absurd amount of adds you get for 6 ref truly makes 6 ref no longer belongs in the range.
well then why did it get an add for 6 ref so quickly? and why has everyone else had so much success buying at 6 ref? If you remove it from the range you have to be pretty certain its a quicksell price, and Not even for keys is a trade lasting 4 hours a quickbuy. Im sorry dude, but you and your condescending tone need to make the range 6-6.22
Just as one person can't represent the market by themselves, neither can scrap.tf define it.
Your trade is probably an outlier. Try again, considering it was 4 days ago. And those successful buyers are days old, no recent proof that they bought some.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15222803
bought 3 more, actually turned down a guy caus he only wanted to get rid off 3 at once (wierd but hey), so if i had the ref i could have bough 6. Still a downvote
also slightly unrelated question, since ref just went up doesn't that make your links before the change overpriced?
Why do I find it suspicious that your keys that you supposively bought isn't in your new inventory? Afraid to use screenshots of your trade history?
@clever I know that one person doesn't represent the market. That's why I added more buyers way down below.
don't be so accusatory, just as you've said before keys trade hand very quickly nowadays, and i've simply bought/sold a lot of thing recently. If anyone really needs me to go dig up concrete proof that i did indeed buy 3 keys then by all means i will, but its an inconvenience i don't feel is really necessary.
Now i can entire appreciate that i may simply have gotten lucky in my trade. However, i find this is unlikely given the (relative) speed at which i was able to buy said keys, you have to admit even for keys buying one in 4 hours is pretty damn fast.
In any case, you've provided what you believe is proof, i have countered it. Lets leave this up to the mods
No the reason why I think you never traded it is because every single refined metal in your trade post is still yours. You had 2 keys on the exact same spot when I checked your backpack history and 2 ref difference since then. You refuse to do a simple task of taking 3 simple screenshots which leads me to believe that you never bought thems and want to look like the "good guy". Give me a screenshot and I will apologize my accusations towards you.
Upgoat, very nice proof :3
The only reason 6 ref is a quicksell is because the buyers know that they can sell for higher (such as everyone else) because you keep making new suggestions.
many speak ill of this suggestion, without any reason, even when they temptation to buy at a price as low as possible and outsell price by backpack.tf. all ppl know.
Finally is my upvote.
we all know that even her rising more that will not change their demand for sale and purchase, as it has been at all times so far. UPVOTE
some more proof
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13686812 {sold 5-7 i think }
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15187408 buying .
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11876237
I don't know. I have 2 day a trade selling it for 6.22 ref. Nobody buy it. Here is it: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15175443
Maybe the trick to get sales is to bump your trades.
I think no
God dam people trying to make a profit...
I think this is the longest a key suggestion has stayed open. Gonna stay neutral. Mixed feelings on this one.
ok i have posted a key for 6.33, if it sells by tomorrow maybe i would upvote (doubt it though more like range of 6-6.22, key is the currency that drives tf2 there will always be demand), there always needs to be a range but there comes a point it needs to be just left alone for awhile.
If everyone decided tomorrow to sell keys for 8 ref only, then if people want keys they will end up having to pay it (open crates, buy/sell, trade for buds/items, ETC).
key costs $2.38 (cheapest in market at this exact time) ref is 0.30c ~0.32c so do the math, key trades under 7.4 ref are really at a loss, buy ref get keys for less lol ($1.95 at top end .32c).
Oh wait, thats right not easy to buy ref, easy to buy keys though :) (market)
*sitting on the fence* but i think a range of 6-6.22 would have a better chance
It should be taken into consideration that most of these people that are selling their keys for 6.22 are also buying them for 3 ref.
Seems legit for me, upvoted
same here.
Same as well
nice proof, i looking to buy 1 at 6 ref and ended up buying at 6.11 ref. kinda hard now to buy at 6 ref
Oh boy wait till the TF2R communtiy sees this. Upv0te
Don't be like merrycatch and tell the tf2r community that you made this suggestion. You'll probably get more negs than your suggestions passed...
Anyways, solid proof as expected KoDo, Upgoat!
Oh i'll make sure they know. hehe. hehe. HEHEH.
It really doesn't even matter who thinks what on some TF2 community anyways...
True, but it's hilarious when they get mad at you for being "corrupt" and "manipulating the key prices" When really you made one suggestion and they get uber mad that it passes.
So why are you intentionally "making sure they know" when it doesn't matter?
I was kidding, kodorin is a good friend and I wouldnt do that to make him end up like merryweather.
Upvoted, suprised you only have 1 XD
yeah, usually the ones that makes suggestions trying to rise key prices are keybankers or have a lot o' keys. however, upvote, amazing proof
Upvote.
upboat - i got 18 adds in 30 min for keys @ 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15149805 --> http://puu.sh/4Uz4Y.jpg http://puu.sh/4Uz5a.png
Got 9 adds within 10 minutes, then got 3 more adds as an aftermath. I feel ya.
only proves that 6 is invalid, show me 6.22 going quickly and consistently, because it isn't.
The 6.22-6.33 is hardly valid, 15 keys sold, yeah 15! out of the some 670thousand keys in tf2. you need more proof, how about look for trades where poeple are buying key for 6.22-6.33? even 6.22 I play tf2 a lot I have never seen any one buy a key for more then 6.11 ever.
First off, I have roughly 159 links(correct me if I'm wrong), not counting multiple solds, potential classifieds sold, barely used bazaar, and the 200+ trade.tf links I ignored. That's higher than key standards.
Second off, yes there are 670,000 keys in the game. But only ~490,000 members in the Outpost, counting bots and alts. Not everybody trades for a key. Some people trade keys for items, not metal. There are only 2 pages of relevant key sellers in the Outpost. http://www.tf2outpost.com/search/161362557
Hope I explained it to you thoroughly and cleanly!
At this point I don't know what you're trying to comply. If you truly think my suggestion is inaccurate, feel free to provide counterproof or counter suggest me.
What about the sellers?
Keys are really high in demand as people want to uncrate constantly hoping for an unusual or a good item
There are a lot of people who would want keys that's why they are really easy to sell, yet those who look for a lot of profit always sell them for a scrap higher than the said price. This keeps up you'll be sorry keys are that expensive by then
Im just stating my opinion no need to get on my case, and a warning isnt needed. Also they may be high in demand but everything will go up faster at this rate Refined would be worthless to us if we kept going up in the prices. Last of all you sound a bit rude when your stating this warning onto me I demand utter respect if im giving you respect.
the point is refined is getting useless. with the free metal every week from drops and no useless way to get rid of it, people dont mind spending more for a key
thats what ive been saying dude... you have 15 people who have bought a key for 6.22 so says your "proof" in the sugestion box...15! If 15 people told you today was wednesday would you believe it, even though you know today is sunday and 300 other people said today was sunday? no you wouldn't so why should 15 people who bought a key at 6.22 outweigh the opions of the thousands more people getting them for 6.11or less?
granted more people might been selling them for 6.22 its undocumented though and you could look for your self and see that all those people who sell keys at 6.22 bought them for 6.11or less.
if u could show the 300 other people selling less than 6.11 then ur argument is valid
"subjectively picked data from 1 source. It does not represent the whole market."
Yet you use tf2fianace as your one source of proof to deem as a downvote? Sounds hypocritical to me.
Have you ignored this picture? http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=282lus9&s=5 - That happened over a week ago.
http://puu.sh/4Uxx1.png
http://puu.sh/4Uxxr.png
Truly you are ignorant if those don't change your opinion. That or you can sway me with your 50+ links of successful 6 ref buyers.
Also how in the world is my proof is invalid? Did you actually check them? And there is a rule about key cooldowns and I followed them http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/2620-key-cooldown-guidelines-read-before-making-key-suggestions/
Like a great jedi once said "do or do not, there is no try" so most of the 100ish people asking 6.22 have not sold keys at 6.22.
also those 3 peice of proof mean very little? is that it? 3 documented pictures taken by your self and even then the first one is people adding you for a 6 ref key
the second one says he bought it for 6.11
and the 3rd one again people added him for a 6 ref key not a 6.22 ref key
all those pics prove are that keys go for 6-6.11
Hint if you look for your self and see that all those people who sell keys at 6.22 bought them for 6.11or less.
First off, it's called trade history. If you don't mind so, please point me the links that are invalid.
Second off, tf2finance scans, can easily be fooled by excessive relisting and such. Does this that mean that Fireproof diaries should be 19 keys because trade.tf said so? http://www.trade.tf/price/5605/6 Yet backpack.tf says 15 keys. Which one is more accurate? Backpack.tf. That's like saying everything spreadsheet says is accurate such as strange fireaxe which claims it can go for a rec http://puu.sh/4UxWO.png . But backpack.tf says 1 scrap flat. Which one is more accurate? Backpack.tf. The most unique thing about backpack.tf that it is run by human beings that can differentiate things like quicksells, outliers and such. So no, tf2finance isn't 100% reliable (not to mention being used as a bible) and shouldn't be your only source of counterproof.
I'm sorry, I can't help but laugh at your comments.
How is fireproof diaries and strange fireaxe, listed at different websites, any kind of relevant to a key price suggestion here? How does this make your extremely small sized, unreliable and biased "proof " more accurate and acceptable for a suggestion on key prices?
I can clearly see we both have different opinions and mindsets. I'm going to stop this argument here. Have a nice one, vote accordingly.
At least you realized you were making it harder for your case.
"Which one is more accurate? Backpack.tf." that statment is incorect. all the spread sheets and are inacutate some more then others, but its the combintion of agreed comunities that should set the price not just one... like backpack.tf is trying to do(do or do not, no try. blah blah its just not at this point)
Also your statement "tf2finance isn't 100% reliable" can be used the same more backpack.tf" backpack.tf is not the only one in the game, it doesnt control the economy and the more you try and make it the worse things are gonna get.
Also if you wanna go into some speal about how the backpack.tf comunity sets the prices on backpack.tf, that's the problem not every one uses backpack.tf. Some people use others sites, some people don't even use spread sheet sites. so baseing a price on one item for the entire market based on one comunities opinion is idiotic.
You are so wrong it's funny. Allow me to enlighten you. Backpack.tf is run by a group of people who want the same thing most of us do, and that is to make a profit. This means that it would be in their best interest to raise the prices of keys, as that means higher profit margins. There is recorded proof in the history of keys pricing that proves that votes mean nothing.
Downvoted price raises that were accepted:
http://i.imgur.com/eLD2mWW.png
http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5131fb4cba2536ee35000004
http://backpack.tf/vote/id/51a30a084bd7b8c124000007
Upvoted price lowers that were closed:
http://backpack.tf/vote/id/519ff6a3ba2536d57a000014
http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5135fb3aba2536bd03000023
http://backpack.tf/vote/id/510981f6ba25368d6c000003
I'm sure you won't consider this proof, but I'm just telling you; price manipulation has been going on on this site for a while, and it's time it stopped. Someone needs to make a new site for tf2 prices, because this one is run by greed.
Plus this, I didn't even see:
http://backpack.tf/vote/id/508c3ee249d7b8fa6a000001
That was a year ago...
If the mods here were out for themselves, we would have kept the price of keys low so we could buy them cheaper...
If you make any more superfluous comments I'm going to temp-ban you; I don't feel like warning all eight of your useless comments
I really wish that people would stop trying to bribe me with their approval, especially when they are being rude and whiny.
damn really good proof, upvote
nice proof upvote
although i would like to ask can you raise the price if you have proof that keys are selling for 1.88$-1.9$/key in real time currency like buying via paypal, just asking if someone knows please reply.
I don't know, while at outpost everyone is trying to sell over 6.22, it took me less than 5 minutes to find some sellers for 6 refined. But that might have been what you call outliers now? Not sure what to think about this.
Try selling a key for 30 minutes for 6 ref and see how many adds you get.
That was yesterday, today has been proven quite harder.
That is usually because a suggestion pops up
I.E. Now you will only be seeing 6.11 - 6.22 sellers since everyone expects this to be accepted, and probably will being that there is more proof because of the suggestion. Like a fun little punch to the economy loop!
Well, while I think this is true always, I'd say people are hoarding them even more thanks to the Halloween event which is almost here.
the day when the key price rise started....
Might be too early, but I'll have to agree with KoDoRiN, 6 ref is really just a quicksell. Gets easily sold. Got around 20+ adds upon putting up a trade selling 1 key Just 1 key for 6 ref...
Ahhh this is so sad, how long until keys are 7 ref, will they ever sink? will ref ever go higher?
So many questions, but the proof is there big and sturdy, sad but good.
I guess only time will tell.
i have only ever successfully sold keys for 6.22 at peak times, and even then it's not going fast enough for my liking. I think flat 6.11 would have done this suggestion much better, from my experience. I don't like relying on outpost links because it's difficult to gauge how many are selling and at what price. I change my price a lot depending on how much I want metal, and I can afford to sell at 6.11 because I still frequently buy at 6 ref on servers.
sold one for 6.22 after like 10 minutes of a trade up
http://imgur.com/4fyFyNP
however he was not very happy which i find amusing
http://imgur.com/yGkO4ov
had my trade up for 6.22 for like 30 minutes, sold 4 easily
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15157501
Wow...really is shameful how much people are desperate for keys. Anywho thanks for the additional proof.
List of unsuccessful buyers at 6?
As I see it, you are taking 6 out of the range, which means you have to have unbought at 6 flat.
I have to upvote because i mean the only people that are trying to sell for 6 ref are the people who are trying to lower the price of keys and while there are over 500+ people selling for like 6.22 or high, people are still buying them for 6.22. I mean If you guys are raging on how high the price of keys are, well you guys are still buying them. Just saying...
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/3023345 Is selling keys at 8 REF and he sold aroun 45 keys.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9208240 Selling keys at 6.66
Upvote
You're right man, a bunch of quicksellers who play the game for fun rather than trading should be an indicator of price change. You have some solid "proof" there.
The price is going to go up anyway.. so, yeah..
Keys going down would be an indication of the market for keys "crashing" although, "crashing" would be the incorrect usage of the word. If people are still buying keys for 6.11 refined, then there's no reason for them to decrease.
No, imaginary inflation is a leading factor in economy crash. It's why the yen was so cheap a while back.
"Keys costing 6 refined has destroyed all reasons to open crates."
The purpose of unboxing has been to have the possibility of getting an Unusual or possibly unbox an item you'd actually like. Regardless of the price of keys, that has always been the main reason to unbox. It was never "keys cost 2.66 refined, so I'll unbox. I care nothing about what happens afterwards I'll just waste the key", it was "I want to unbox and finally get an unusual"
If you unbox just to try and get unusuals, you're in for massive disappointments. You do realise that there is no more than a 1% chance of unboxing an unusual, correct? The chances of getting a good one that someone will buy are even lower. One time, I played with someone who said that he unboxed over 300 crates and hasn't got a single unusual from any of them. With that in mind, as well as the fact that anything else you'll recieve is worth much less than a a key, there is no reason to open crates.
Also, I love how I got a warning from that comment. It shows that TF2 really is descending into madness and heading straight for disaster.
The point ----->
Your head
You got a warning because your comment has nothing to do with the suggestion itself (=non-constructive).
About unboxing: Unusuals are the only thing that makes unboxing somewhat desirable. You can buy all items on the market for less than unboxing the amount of crates you need to get all of them. And there are people who got an unusual after 3 keys so thats what you get for gambling.
DEAR GOD......Dat proof......It's......It's.....UPVOTE!
People are just gonna downvote this cuz they dont wanna have to pay more and more for a key. Other people on another hand, will actually look at this, like me, and UPVOTE it :D
upvote from me :D
So much proof, but so unsure. ;-;
Here's my two cents' worth:
I sell lots of items for "1 key/6 ref.", and almost everyone pays with a key--and if they could easily sell that key for 6.22, give me 6, and keep .22 for themselves, they would do it.
Also, although I've only been selling items, (Not straight keys:metal trades) not a single person has asked me to value their key at higher than 6 flat.
I sold out 3 keys for 6 ref each in 12 seconds. Some bots buy at 6.11 now, even. definite upvote for me.
prices for keys going up cuz of the holidays coming up ?
XD lol true, but friend in reals was telling me that keys sometimes go up during holiday season (christmas) yada yada
Great Proof. Upvote.
it seems some one here had lots of time -.-
upvote
Key prices are FINALLY stablizing if not deflating. It is quite easy to get keys anywhere for 6 Refined, and many listings even appear very often on the classifieds.
SURE the majority of trades LISTED on TF2 Outpost are selling for higher then the range, it doesn't mean they successfully sell for that. Please don't give me that "O look in their backpack they have less keys" Unless you have screenshots from their inventory history showing they COMMONLY sell the keys for above the range... don't even bother listing it.
Now many of you know the true majority of trading occurs on servers and not on TF2 Outpost or other websites. I myself still buy keys on Trade servers all the time for 5.88 Refined/each and just hours ago bought many(23) for 6 Ref/ea (Within minutes) because I felt like I had too much metal.
proof of that?
6 ref are so possible..I took down my trade after I received enough keys: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15112132
If you want to change the range, 6 - 6.22 would be more fitting.
B-but 6 flat is such a comfortable price ;_;
Ohohoh! I bought some for 6 flat recently!
http://puu.sh/4VzN6.png
This is counterproof, r-right?
Exactly. You got it right man!
I believe that key prices should be adjusted according to the no. of refined metal present in the market!
True. Great proof. This should be accepted.
Keys just go up.
Wow, you almost make me believe this price manipulation thing......
So let's give my counterproof instead
http://i.imgur.com/HOxIztm.png <----bought 4 for 6 ref each
I fail to see how getting a large number of adds in response to posting a trade selling keys at 6 ref means that that's a "quicksell" price, or that it is no longer valid. Obviously many people are going to add you for that, it's pretty much the cheapest you'll find them at nowadays, especially now that all of the new 6.33 trades were posted since this suggestion went up. The fact that something is easy to sell at a given price does not necessarily mean that the price should rise, it means that it is a price that buyers are happy with.
Frankly, I think that the price suggestion should be bumped up once keys become that easy to sell at 6.11, since the lower end of the range should generally be the price that it's easy to buy and sell at. It's still very easy to get keys at 6 ref with just a little looking around on outpost/tf2tp/whatever, and of course I can hardly go to a trade server without running into someone selling them at that price. That may change the next time I log on, thanks to this suggestion, but hopefully the members of this site are intelligent enough to disregard ex post facto proof.
Also, in the OP, you'll notice that while there are MANY sellers at 6.22-6.33, very few appear to have actually sold their keys at that price, while there is a wealth of proof for sellers at 6.11-6.22. It seems to me like the previous suggestion of 6-6.11 was accurate, in that those prices are the most common for actual purchases/sales, while things outside of that range don't seem to get many hits. Downvoted.
its a quick sell because the keys were sold in seconds and people wanted them because they were below the normal price._. don't see how you can't understand that. And I'd disagree with that buying keys for 6 ref of tf2 outpost statement, maybe there is some on classified but i can never find any on tf2 outpost
not to mention is VERY easy to sell for 6.22.
In what way is 6 ref below the normal price? A quicksell implies that someone is selling an item at a markdown because they need a different form of currency (i.e., selling buds at 15 keys because they need the keys ASAP to buy something). Selling an item at the lower end of the current accepted price suggestion (literally <2% below the higher end) is hardly a quicksell, unless you take that term to literally mean that the item has sold quickly, in which case I've "quicksold" items at above their price suggestions. Additionally, if you can't find keys for 6 ref on outpost, maybe you need to look a little harder. The people with very large stockpiles of keys rarely sell them for that price, but they're the same folks who buy the keys at 6 ref and feel that they need to make that extra 1 or 2 scrap profit.
I think saying that it's very easy to sell at 6.22 is a little bit of a stretch. you'll make some sales, sure (probably more now thanks to most people jumping the gun and raising their prices to 6.33), but not as may as the current price suggestions. I mean, you'd probably get some sales at the 6.55 ref mark, does that mean we should add that to the price suggestions? Hardly. Really, I think that what we need is a wider range than one scrap. The fact of the matter is that it's not that hard to find keys at 6 ref still, but many people are selling them at 6.22.
no, less than what everyone else is selling, and althoguh it doesn't imply its a quick sell directly, it does mean the price range should be raised
also, did you see my link of me selling 10~ keys in 3 day for a straight 6.22 ref
10 in 3 days? Man, those are just flying off the shelves. If you consider that to be a "VERY easy" sale, then I'd hate to see what you consider to be a difficult one.
He means 10 keys per day.
Ah, I thought he was referring to the photobucket link to him selling about 10 keys over the course of 3 days. Even still, the point stands; assuming that he did indeed sell over 30 keys (something that I have significant doubts about based on his backpack history and value), that's still a fairly average rate of sale. I'd have to imagine that the profit margin would be rather disappointing, though, especially if keys at 6 ref are that hard to find. A little over a ref a day hardly seems worth the trouble, to me at least.
well, i made 13 ref ;) and thats my major issue, its way too easy to make metal off buying and reselling keys. The only reason i made so much is by selling for 6ref+trading card along with 6.22
The lower end shouldn't be bumped at all as long as people still sell for that price, if they do that it is price manipulation
just some additional proof of my selling at least 10 keys/ day for the price of 6.22
[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15078098[url]
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15078098
heres some viewable proof of JUST the trades for 6.22 ref straight up, I didn't include any trading card payments even though I make more on those trades (quite a shame because they usually bought in bulk too)
http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q507/iamonlyusingthis/proof_zps46e97d46.png
[url]http://backpack.tf/vote/id/52654d694dd7b86d038b4568[/url]
This good?
Shit, mate. I'd vote but I didn't see it ;S .
It was open for 8 seconds, you'd have to be a mlg wizard to vote on that.
Please stay polite.
just kidding guys, sorry :/, its an upvote from me, i proved it myself :/
What have you proved?
that 6 ref is a quicksale, keys should go up, got 4 adds in 3 secs when i sold my keys for 6 ref :/
Come now. That is both rude and off-topic.
What the hell is going on?
When selling for 6.11 ref i get 2 adds pretty quickly...
When selling for 6.22 ref nobody adds me....ever
Weird huh?
Should supply proof - that's what helps
http://puu.sh/4VPmO.png
http://puu.sh/4VPpQ.png
http://puu.sh/4VPu4.png
http://puu.sh/4VPuL.png
http://puu.sh/4VPvk.png
all at 6 ref in 3 days.
how about no? 6 ref is still very possible
3 days is an awfully long time considering that my links were on a duration of 20 hours.
5 trades with 7 keys in 3 days with one person and only one buying trade is fast.
i cant buy the entire market in 3 days
I'd like to point out you haven't shown how 6 refined is not possible at all.
I don't know, 12 days is a very short time for other suggestion on a so important item.
1 Month 1 suggestion is good for me. Staying neutral-down for now.
I bought 10 keys at 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15062173
6 ref is still possible
http://i.imgur.com/eafE21i.png
Sorry I'm late to the party! Counter proof:
These are all people who have had a successful purchase at 6 refined within the last couple of days and all from the first page of outpost.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14847125
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15000131
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14675614
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15180267
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13706399
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15157607
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15023193
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14883849
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15082750
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15113294
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15138878
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15128747
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15173663
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14474870
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15110269
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14908219
Seems to me that buying at six ref is as solid as a rock and this suggestion should get downvoted.
i have a wtb trade i am selling 6 ref per key i bought 5 since yesterday.
also tf2 finance is still under 6.11 ref
although this suggestion seems a bit premature:
Thats. Not. How. It. Works. Period!
I sold my 12 keys for 6 ref pretty instantly.
6 ref is still possible...................................................
The amount of periods after your statement leads me to believe you're not overly confident about it. In the sense that 6 refined is still possible, just rather uncommon relative to higher sales.
6 ref is still possible !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just bought 5 keys for 6 ref each, from a few different traders. Not problem achieving 6 ref at all.
Yet again another biased suggestion.
Wholesale key market data:
http://tf2finance.com/keys/
Keys valued at 6.03 ref based on steam trade data.
http://www.trade.tf/price/5021/6
Keys selling at 6 ref
You need to check these sites before doing any research on keys as they are based on the ENTIRE market, and not just the inflated asking prices on outpost that get the odd quick buy.
upvote...
1. http://i.imgur.com/xrWIdVj.jpg = 6.11 refined for each 20 Oct 2013
2. http://i.imgur.com/OA1UJUl.jpg = 6.11 refined for each 21 Oct 2013
You realize that scrap.tf buys and sells keys at the lower and upper bounds of the backpack.tf price, right? So sales from there shouldn't really be used as proof for a price increase, since they'd raise their prices as soon as the increase went through. Additionally, any keys that you bought from there were sold there at 6 ref (or less), which really balances things out.
There is too much counter proof for me. Downvote.
Dese comment arguments are funny
So many people banned on currency suggestions, and rightfully so
As I watch the keys pop up on the classifieds for 6 ref, I'll down-vote this one.
Watch how fast they go up, then watch how fast they sell.
In the past month, I have bought 3 keys at 6 ref
Downvote for me.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/x4qxl0w2v7puxam/2013-10-21%2023_00_41-Steam.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/li93o8hwpyxx31c/2013-10-21%2023_00_53-Steam.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0zbltgtz14dbta7/2013-10-21%2023_01_32-Steam.jpg
That's well over 6 days ago, before this suggestion was made.
3 in one month is hardly counterproof.
Stop right there,
criminal scum!my good sir!You haven't addressed 6 ref. at all.
How do you expect this suggestion to pass if there is ZERO proof that the low end should be raised?
So you just straight up ignored my +100 links of 6.11 sales? As well as my 6.22 sales?
Ok.
Those don't show a thing about 6 flat. If you simply wanted to raise the top end, your proof would be fine--but you're trying to remove 6 flat as well.
You need to show unsuccessful buyers for 6 flat if you want to remove it from the range. It's not rocket science. Seriously, man...One would think you'd never done this before. Lots of proof for raising the high end, but you don't even address the low end you're trying to cut out.
Also: The counter-proof is more convincing than your proof--especially relating to 6.00 sales. Maybe you should change the range and re-suggest ;)
Going by bp.tf logic, 6 ref is automatically a quicksell, ergo it won't matter if he adds 1k links of 6 flat.
For all you people raging about the key for refined price is too high then how about you actually do something and stop complaining the only reason it will go down is if there is to many in the market so if you would just buy from the mann co store the problem just might solve its self
as for this suggestion I'm going to stay neutral the proof is good but there are so many people selling at 6 ref at the same time 6.11 flat would probably be better
I don't believe there is much that can be done. Sell for lower and hope people follow suit? They'll turn around and sell for this site's price. Marketplace/Mann co store? That involves money, not ref. It was even proven that the ref:key ratio would = a lower price if it were to be priced that way. Boycott/Ignore the site altogether? Impossible. Pretty much EVERY trade server have the !pc command that fetches a price from this site and people follow it like the Holy Bible, going to the point where people mark others as "scammers" for going one weapon under the listed price. Understandable why one'd go neutral here, though counterproof is just discarded upon "final judgment" 97% of the time.
You can still get keys for 6 ref fairly easily
Proof? Screenshots?
Successful buyers at 6 ref in the past couple of days, from the first page of outpost
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14847125
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15000131
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14675614
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15180267
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13706399
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15157607
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15023193
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14883849
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15082750
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15113294
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15138878
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15128747
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15173663
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14474870
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15110269
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14908219
Posted it above but you seem to have missed it :)
Nice proof. Upvote.
6 ref is still very much possible.
6 refined are quicksells. They get taken away in seconds!
Lower end of the key prices is always quicksell.
I never noticed. *shrugs*
This proof is good. Upvote from me... People, don't rage about keys going up, it's just the fact that the tf2 economy is f***** up... We have to adapt to it.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15010439 I've been waiting....
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15010343 AND FUCKING WAITING
And Yes, for me, it's somewhat impossible to buy for 6Ref
Though it's always good to try again: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15195429
Have you tried bumping your trades? If you're not on the first page (maybe second) you're not gonna get anything.
BUYING 3 KEYS WITH 12REF
or y'know, 6ref each
add me
4 ref each, iz gud deel, 30/10 on the math, idk fractions either 8)
that moment you realize the mistake
yeah :P dunno why i got so many dislikes though
Maybe they thought you were actually advertising xD
It's not possible to buy for 6 any more, unless you find a quickseller. Everyone else has bumped up their prices upon this suggestion's birth.
Keys are selling just fine at 6-6.11, raising them for the sake of raising them won't help anything. If they go up too much it will be cheaper to buy them from the manco store or game traders will look to a different income source. I realize keys are in constant demand but if they keep going up this quickly something will break. We need a better reason to up the key price rather then "they sell fast" and "people will pay more".
We use IRL money to value our 1&0's we pirce them to what we want in real money, which at the moment backpack.tfs "SUGGESTED!" price on keys is $1.85 and ref is $0.30-31 and if you do the math thats 5.96-6.18ref per key. so 6-6.22 would make a better "suggestion" rather then highering the base line which is still very comman(proven over and over) AND! Do not forget any one selling keys for 6.22 on op bought or is buying those keys for 6-6.11.
Oh and btw no one has to follow the spread sheets ya know? you don't have to follow them just because they exist. You can buy and sell all the keys you want for what ever you want and be happ. People may or may not buy/sell them to you, but hey some one eventualy will. We all need to remeber that the spread sheets are just suggestions not set rules...
Sure, you don't have to follow the suggestions, but
There are so many people that do, it's not easy to buy a key for 2.66 ref right now without being called a "scammer."
And to stay in topic, I prefer the price as they are now, maybe a 6.00-6.22 suggestion would be better
Just my opinion :p
the grammar... the spelling... I don't even want to bother reading all of this
6 refined is still possible. Downvote.
If the price is being raised, then obviously those selling for below it would be able to easily sell. Your statement would be valid only if the price was being lowered. The question is whether 6 ref is a quicksale or not, not if it's possible. That was proven to be true 2 suggestions ago, when the price was raised to 6 keys flat.
Currency selling quickly does not mean it is a "quicksale". It's not a commodity item, it's like exchanging quarters to dimes and nickels with somebody.
Incorrect. This was already discussed in a previous suggestion by Jymotion, and and I will quote you his eloquently stated arguments, which are in line with my own: "keys are commodities, like gold, not currency like dollars. ... if keys were an inter-changeable currency with metal, there would be no need for price suggestions on them. ... the fact that you don't see any problem with just establishing an arbitrary static exchange rate shows how poorly you understand markets. there isn't anything inherently 'wrong' with a flat price, but when some people are willing to pay more than others and some sellers are willing to sell for less than others, it simply is not accurate. Unlike dollar bills, keys are not perfectly elastic goods. ... the relationship between keys and metal is not perfectly analogous to the relationship between dollars and cents." I hope this helps.
""keys are commodities, like gold, not currency like dollars. ..."
If this is true, things should not be valued in keys. We do not value items such as cars in gold, do we now?
TF2's economy is a barter economy. It does not have set "currencies." Other than refined, all items are commodities with varying prices and price ranges.
Did you not pay attention to the rest of my post? If keys were an interchangeable currency with metal, there would be no need for price suggestions on them; everyone would buy and sell them at exactly the same metal price. But this is not the case; people buy and sell for varying prices, which is why there is no arbitrary, static exchange rate, but rather a range of suggested value that often fluctuates.
So explain to me why we have items priced in what you say are "commodity items"? If this was true, everything should be priced in refined.
Keys are used in item pricing for both convenience and because they are commonly used as currency items within the game. This, however, does not mean that they have an elastic, static value. You can see the inherent flaws of a system such as this in the current pricing crisis that Unusuals are undergoing. Because they were priced in a commodity prone to fluctuation (similar to keys), many prices are now inaccurate.
I'm not sure if this will help or not, but i bought a key for 5.88 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14983014
If this doesn't work, then i apologize
lol you buy you not have metal... hahaaaa
I find your lack of grammar disturbing...
The higher they raise, the harder they will fall
Not really. Considering the buying power of the key in this economy as well as the growing nature of it, keys can't really crash without an outside event affecting it. Something like that would be keys sold at $1.00 in the Mann Co. Store, etc. Valve's making too much money for that to happen, so basically the only other factor would be the rise of another currency as a replacement or alternative to keys - refined metal. Now, we all know ref isn't going to leave. Idling is still possible and prominent and there aren't nearly enough metal sinks what with the dead craft market (which, of course, has the objective of getting what is in essence cheap keys for ref). So will they crash? Terribly unlikely. Will they keep climbing? Probably.
When, it can't keep climbing forever that's foolish to think that.
That being said whether its people stop playing Tf2 or like you said an outside event, eventually it will crash
Of course it can keep climbing as long as TF2 is active, that's the point. There's a set cap for dollar value but no limit for how low refined, as something all players receive for free, can go.
Screenie from a friend.
[url]http://i.imgur.com/rVVDoDm.png[/url]
Site not benefiting the rich my ass.
They should add that filter for having too high a bp value. xD
i notice that there are alot of rippers and trade low sell high people on outpost tf, undervalue things that are like 5 ref for like 2.66 and expect good trades, lol
upvote! confirm it!
Key prices are still available for 6 ref on trade servers. people seem to forget backpack and outpost are not the only place to buy keys
Not only on trade servers, I went to outpost and pressed page 7 and Immediately found a trade selling keys for 6 ref.....
He still has 7, one hour later.....
Still not closed?
Wow.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15213154
I am the only one who has bought any keys from this guy for 2 hours now...(He's selling all)
He still has 5 at the time of posting. http://i.imgur.com/xMrnWbt.png
This does not only prove that 6 ref is still very possible,
it proves many of you are just lazy and bad at
searching. Just because the first 5 pages only sells for
6.22-6.44 doesn't mean there are not sellers for less,
let alone successful buyers.
That's it, now go rape him, hoarders
( http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15214642 Put up for 6 ref and went offline, shitstorm coming up lol)
tried selling some keys @6.22, couldnt. It is taking like forever. Downvote.
now try to buy key for 6.11 it gona take forever... easly get for 6.22
Hello and sorry to say, but this does not proof that 6.22 is a good price. For all I know, you can try to buy for 6.77-7 ref and you will still get adds and sellers. Many players will hoard a buyer if they see they are buying for above the current suggested price.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15196801
Not getting buyers.
Link?
Technically they buy all keys available easily for 6 ref and won't resell for anything else but higher, and they know a buyer eventually will come and that their key won't drop in value...
Basically, we have too many key dealers making sooo little profit each, it's inflating the keys too much.
Basically, we are turning TF2 into a marketing simulator, good job backpack.tf!
Honestly speaking, I can still get keys for 6 ref in trade servers and outposts as well as bazaar. So, I don't see the point of rising the price for keys at all, at the moment at least.
6-6.11 is very stable range for keys.
Well this is going to be interesting. Just a heads up TF2WH buys keys for 5.66 and sells them for 6 ref, and currently have over 25k keys still. I'm surprised no one used TF2WH as Counter proof in any of the other posts.
Because Bots aren't used in proof, that's why.
I saw some keys on classifieds for 6 refined also,so i think the current range is fine
Congrats : http://puu.sh/4XAsq.png
There's only one online seller for 6 ref, and it's 33 minutes old.
buyer for 6.11 refined
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15218768 check backpack buyer
i sold 3 now for 6.22 refined pure
proof: http://i.imgur.com/RxBC5YN.png
is test..
>Last online 4 weeks ago
>No contributions
>only 17 votes total
>nobody on friends list
Congrats on making an alt account to hide behind because you're afraid of saying it where people will actually judge you on it. 0.1/10 troll, you tried.
Edit to help suggestion : Managed to sell one for 6.33 within a day http://bazaar.tf/trade/497656
Have the balls not to hide behind your alt when you decide shitpost about a site.
Obvious alt account because your backpack was last cached full of Eerie Crates and checking your Outpost trades shows that you commonly traded them back and forth with a person named: Sir Yoshi, The Rapidinator
Item: http://www.tf2outpost.com/item/440,1563692582 (scroll to bottom to see frequent back and forth trading of item)
From: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/4715957
Main Account Steam Profile: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198053579762
Learn to understand how to be constructive on a suggestion and maybe you won't get warned.
Sorry spam admins
very easy sale key for 6.22 refined sold more 1 now
proof: http://i.imgur.com/eK5gKsd.png
only 1 ?? poor sale dude
sold 1? lol you not see sold 4 fast
1 http://i.imgur.com/RxBC5YN.png and http://i.imgur.com/eK5gKsd.png
ya, when uy sell 6 or + then is a good sale 5 or - naaa
if what you say does not matter to me..
the drop go down and here requesting set the key 6.11 - 6.22, ok u can to sell keys 6.11 6.22 6.33 or anything but u will sell less keys, less metal this will take more time for the 60 - 70% players, i am leaving this game for this un control system for set prices, i am selling all in my bp NOT backpack.tf prices =), i am saying bye bye to tf2 then.
Not to be mean, But a lot of people take 6 Ref as "LowBall" price. They do not sell at 6 Ref, i bought 1 for 6 ref, and that was when Keys were 5.88-6 Ref. I Payed in Pure, So i think Price of keys needs to stay at a simple price and stop increasing So drastic in such a short of Time.
smart comment
You don't think the price of keys should raise because people rarely sell to you for 6 refined? That sentence doesn't make much sense.
Especially when accompanied with the fact that you sold 2 keys for 6.22 refined: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15139733
Plus you're currently looking to purchase as many keys as you can with the metal you have for 6.11 refined: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15222430
You, sir, sound like a grade-A hypocrite.
good or bad, i am not playing this 1 week or more and only go to trade and well, i think 6 ref is a good price , raise the price is really so bad for this thinking in the bad drop with the last patch released, then many players is buying but this will go down with the time eventually
Actually i sold keys for 6.11 Soooo, Learn to read the prices xD
To be honest, I wouldn't have a HUGE problem if the suggestion was for 6-6.22...
...But taking that out of range is a horrible idea, as seen in the counter proof, many people still sell for 6 ref. Basically, 6 ref is now considered a "QUICKSELL' because we have too many people in this economy that want that extra scrap in their backpack.
To me, the term "QUICKSELL" is just a stupid excuse to raise the price, any price can be considered a "QUICKSELL" since people can always get away with getting a little profit from the "RECOMMENDED" price.
So.. In conclusion, if you want raise the price, then i find it okay(ish); but please leave 6 ref in the new price, as it's completely pointless to leave it out.
Adding more proof, don't mind me.
6.11
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15225701
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15225585
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15225034
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15224486
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15224145
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15224035 - sold 5
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223794
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223754
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223506
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223445
http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/id/52378f3b4dd7b859488b456e --> http://puu.sh/4XUGK.png
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223370 - sold 3
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223258
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223138
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15222926
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15222625
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15222464
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15222410
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15222324
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15222171
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15222115
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15221960
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15221691
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15221372
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15220306
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15219428
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15219313
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15219230
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15219227
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15219131
http://bazaar.tf/trade/498205
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15218898
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15218588
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15218578
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15218511
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15218396
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15218392
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15218005
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15217924
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15217646
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15217280
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15216934
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15216880
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15216745
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15216692
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15216225
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15216194
http://bazaar.tf/trade/497953
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15215243
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15215781
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15215125
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15214949
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15214828
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15214706
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15214580
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15214316
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15214297
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15214160
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15214108
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15213821
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15213557
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15213146
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15212812
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15212625
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15212497
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15210358
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15209717
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15208596 --> http://puu.sh/4XWTu.png
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15208588
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15208196
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15208023
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15207992
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15207870
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15207765
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15207689
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15207570
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15207139
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15207094
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15206658
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15206608
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15206392
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15206386
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15205893
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15205376
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15205304
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15204973
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15204212
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15202765 - buyer
This leads to me thinking that 6.11 is a quicksellish price not only because it sells fast, but most sells in under 10 views.
6.22-6.33
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15202580
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15203553
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15204871
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15204799
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15204615
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15204486
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15204443
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15205213
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15206383
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15206203
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15207241
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15207607 - sold multiple
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15207825
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15207671
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15207749
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15208764
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9851412
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15207978
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15208295
http://bazaar.tf/trade/497225
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15208627
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15212039
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15213530
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15213400
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15210210
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15214885
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15213731
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15213637
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15214104
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15214462
http://bazaar.tf/trade/497822
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15215670
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15215079
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15215032
http://bazaar.tf/trade/497346
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15216244
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15216867
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15217385
http://bazaar.tf/trade/498052
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15208835
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15218080
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15217917
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15217747
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15218413
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15218532
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15218644
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15219350
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15219076
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15219323 - might've sold for 6.22
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15220054
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15219709
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15221362
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15221425
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15221496
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15221489
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15222097
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15222583
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15222665
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223366
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223861
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15224120
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15225591
http://bazaar.tf/trade/498379
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15224228
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15224218
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223783
http://bazaar.tf/trade/498620
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223529
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9852652
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15208010 - ...
Will add more
Also I noticed a lot of classified sellers for 6 ref. They are all invalid because they already sold theirs or offline.
Lastly
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15215375 - Look at the amount of adds for 6.11. ._.
Keep in mind that my proofs is a duration of 1 day while the buyers for 1 day are days old.
I'm not sure what that last link is benefiting, since 6.11 is still in the range
uh that fact that 6.11 is ,if not a quicksell, nearly a quicksell?
No I know by personal experience that 6 ref alone is a quicksell
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15149805 --> http://puu.sh/4Uz4Y.jpg
I understand what you're saying, and I totally respect your suggestion and all...
But, I dunno. To me, that link tells me that nobody wants to sell for 6 ref because of two things.
1. People want profit
2. Buyers AND Sellers know that there will be a price suggestion like this one every week or so.
My point is, the economy is very scare at the moment, and many of us are very afraid of the future of the economy/mannconomy. Many people thought keys would rise, so, people sell higher; people see it as proof, and it becomes one big domino effect.
My final words for this suggestion will be this: If people wish to raise the price, they are only hurting themselves. Because by this rate, keys will become as high as the price of the store. Many people would want to sell to get the ref they need; which goes to proof; one passing suggestion to lower the price and the domino effect will start again.
Such a crazy economy we have, don't we? The best move in my opinion would to stay out if it and not play.
(I would also like to apologise for my outburst earlier, totally the bad thing to do)
Take it to the forums. This is a verbal warning
1. Economy is Balanced rising is not dangerous, you know have so many buyers or sellers for keys and metal
2. That's not how you think!
3. Otherwise the key would fall in a long time.
6.11
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15202765 - buyer
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15060368 - BOT BUYER FOR 6.11
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15025921 - buyer 6.11, sold multiple 6.22
6.22
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15146567
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15175361
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14969079
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15117905
I apologize for any duped/invalid links
Also mini-celebration: This is the most voted key suggestion ever!
I'm sorry let me rephrase my last sentence, typo
Keep in mind that my proofs is a duration of 1 day while 6 ref buyers are days old.
good job. my vote is UP! good luck for others
Selling =\= Sold
Seriously? You have a blue star and this is a key suggestion.
Mind pointing me the links? I'm not perfect.
Sorry for being a jerk btw. I was in a bad mood and shouldnt have taken it out on you. But anyway,
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15205213 I think he's buying though
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15207749
http://bazaar.tf/trade/497225
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15213731 (Metal in his bp, but not exactly his selling price maybe sold 1?)
http://bazaar.tf/trade/497822 Still have every key
http://bazaar.tf/trade/497346 ?
These are the ones that don't appear to have sold any at the time of posting. Most of those selling more then one key still keys in their bp.
1. http://i.imgur.com/RxBC5YN.png - 3 Keys
2. http://i.imgur.com/eK5gKsd.png - 1 Key
3. http://i.imgur.com/xXOdxqY.jpg 2 Keys
4. http://i.imgur.com/wMAJeNL.png - 1 Key
any for 6.22 refined
Some are still valid. Item history and a lot of metal in backpack probably means that he sold it for metal. Though thanks for polishing my bazaar links, glad that people actually look at the links.
The thing is that usually I (unhappily) agree with key suggestions, this one caught my eye cause trade.tf still lists keys at 6.05 so I reeeeaaally wanted to make sure this wasn't price manipulation :P
And sorry again for being all mad before :/ didn't mean to. :/
Trade.tf takes item into account, not just metal.
Tf2finance idk it currently list it as 6.08 but who seriously trades keys for 1 weapon and 3 crates. I find it questionable that it uses 3 far less popular sites than bazaar.tf, leading that it's probably not accurate.
Though I accept your apology! A lot of key suggestions are really biased and there's a lot more rude people out there, let alone apologize. :)
I think with the rise up ref there's no need in increasing this any higher if it does it could hurt the ref value and drop again ( but possible wrong)
Story of my life, why hasn't this suggestion been accepted yet? I would have thought the proof was amazeballs
Probably because despite the immense proof, still has a whopping 0 links for 6 ref and is clearly avoiding that price.
He doesn't need any link for 6 ref eince he is trying to remove that from the current range, whats the point of having like 400 6 ref links when suggesting to get rid of it? Unbought @ 6 ref i would agree with, but he doesn't need to prove anything for 6 ref at all since he is removing it from the current range
Posting 30 links showing buds can be sold at 18 doesn't mean the new price should be 18 flat, if 17 still is possible, it should stay, since the market for currencies is so big and should be changing slowly
off topic and has major flaws in it.
Even if keys keep rising, 300 ref is nigh-on impossible because that doesn't fit in a trade window. You (or well, the guy that first posted it) also say "gonna cash out now". The key in your story still costs $2.49, meaning that he can cash out a whopping $2.48 (because second hand market can never be on par with or over first hand which has infinite stock). 300 ref would also deliver 100 hats, meaning a single hat will cost <2.5 cent according to this story. And how does the guy give an unusual hat for a key? The only real purpose of keys in unboxing unusuals or trading for them. So unusuals will not go below a key, as that takes away the whole purpose of keys.
Now take it to the forums with this
Willing suspension of disbelief?
Besides, that was an awesome story, and the fact that I have absolutely nothing to prevent cleverpun from warning me right now isn't going to take anything away from that.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14920904 - 6.11 SOLD
quickly quickly
what's so bad about ^^ comment that it got a -1?
its too quickly quickly! sold in 23 views!
How convenient that you say that 2 hours after the link was posted.
Love those - 3's . I feel so carefree now after that suggesting thing
Just because you're a retired blue belt doesn't mean you can get off-topic.
If you noticed, the last 2 key suggestions were accepted by yellow belts.
Cool! How's life with keys Kodorin? Im staying neutral
Why all of the key suggestion based on the key sellers? They always sells keys more than the bp price.
Its more accurate:
http://tf2finance.com/keys/
sold now 5 min ago
6.22 refined for each
proof: http://i.imgur.com/xXOdxqY.jpg 2 keys
proof: http://i.imgur.com/wMAJeNL.png 1 key
let's look at this mathematically
the trend for keys suggestions hav become farther spread apart making a curve towards a flatline
keys are currently $2.50 on the mannco store
keys range from $2-$2.5 on the steam market
ref is currently $0.3
this means that the keys are approaching the horizontal asymptote whose maximum is 8.33 ref and whose minimum is 6.66 ref
while keys are within that range, 1 of two things will happen, ref will be pushed down to accomodate more room for keys, or they will crash. keys will eventually crash if they reach this range, however it may take some time depending on how far down ref is pushed. with the sudden influx of keys in the market the enter of the asymptote range will start the proverbial dominoes.
note: i blame no one for this, this is most likely a side effect of the market
ref is 0.3-0.32 on sourceop where the keys is 1.70-1.80...
scrap.tf now buying at 6.11
no one gonna sell for 6 ref anymore
hint: downvoting won't get you free rep
So, first avole. Kill thread author.
Second. We got example of selling keys for 6.11 rather quickly. But it's not reason to raise the price. However, there is more examples of selling keys for 6.11, so it's not enough.
As i always say, there are more than 2-3 thousands key trading operations every day. And you want to show us 100-200-300 examples of quickselling(Some people just need metal fast) and based of 1-2% of all trades trying to raise price.
So gimme 50-60% of all trades amount examples of selling keys for more than standart price, or get out.
Permanent downvore ^_^
Peace all.
sold 7 keys for 6.22 refined each 5 min ago
Proof: http://i.imgur.com/XRNZSZb.jpg 43.55 refined
http://i.imgur.com/BePQOcx.jpg - 4 Keys = 6.22 refined each
well this is the first suggestion I've ever made but honestly i very rarely see keys going for 6 ref normally its somewhere around 5.66 ref i don't have any screenshots of trading keys considering i rarely do it but if anyone else agrees with me and is willing to upload screenshots of them going for this price please do.
Additional proof under the duration of 22 hours.
6.11
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15241792
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15241381
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15241269
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15241168
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15240663
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15240503 - sold 3
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15239650
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15239385
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15239249
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15239019
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15238882
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15238866
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15238222
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15236759
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15236688
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15236473
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15236302
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15236111
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15236002
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15235653
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15235551
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15235333
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15234515
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15234126
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15233933
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15232759
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15232605
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15232462
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15231893
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15231547
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15231230
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15231031
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15230982
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15230794
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15230525
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15230414
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15230330
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15229913
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15229763
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15229521
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15229345
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15228847
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15228661
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15228058
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15228041
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15227849
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15227848 - offered 6.11
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15227724
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15227712 - sold 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15227685
6.22-6.33
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15227781
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15228164
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15228199 --> http://puu.sh/4YMej.png
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15228251
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15228940
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9853132
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15229595
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15230832
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15231150
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9853328
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15233892
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15233860
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15233682
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15233371
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9853559
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15233893
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15236103
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15235798
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15235687
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15236645
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15236243
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9853843
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15238639
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15238571
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15238650
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15239191
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15239350
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15239338
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15240433
http://bazaar.tf/trade/500081
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15240226
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15239771
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15236839
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15241596
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15241589
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15240771
http://scrap.tf/keys -Scrap.tf is now buying for 6.11.
This leads me thinking that 6 ref is a quickbuyer trade. Of course there will be successes, but only because people will go to those buyers for convenience. I mean why would you go to those 6 ref buyers when you can go to an 24-hour service bot that can buy plenty for 6.11?
I apologize for any invalid/duped links.
6.11 buyers
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15230945
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13730478 - bot buyer
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15238784
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15069622
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15217600
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15097674 - 200 ref in stock
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11494475 - 6.22, though bot is offline
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15242147
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13599180 - bot buyer
And this is me just refreshing page one for the past 5 minutes... :|
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15118227 - bot
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11851316 - bot
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15244390 - bot
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15237198
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15204006
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15137189 - Looks like =ocu='s key bot is buying for 6.11
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223907
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15212558
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15023638
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13580249 - bot
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15238363
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15117649
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15228539 - bot
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15117639
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15208825
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15240232
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12729897 - bot
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15108851 - out of stock
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15181175 - out of stock
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15210616
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15126867
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223548
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14901748
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10806553
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15081820 - out of stock
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15048809
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15187408
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13678223 - bot
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15040178
Just so easy to dump your key for 6.11 if you spend at least 15 minutes refreshing the first page...
Even though everyone bumped their prices up because they all KNOW that this suggestion's gonna pass (Scrap.tf price bump GUARANTEES that), it's nice to see dedication from all this extra proof. Though, I now expect to see 6.33 sellers, sadly.
high prices u will sell keys but not so quick u will ever sell 6.33 6.44 but this only will take more time each time more and more, i dont understand what is the point? i am seeing less players in tf2 including me, then this is the reason raising and raising without reason the prices.
Well what the issue is in this system is that when keys were 6ref they were sold for 6.11 then backpack.tf rose the price to 6.11 and people sell them for 6.22 this is a continuing procese which will end in the expected sad fall of the mannconomy eventually keys will be worth 3245423 keys and buds will be worth 2 scrap I miss when buds were worth 21keys and keys were around 4.33-4.66 area I hope this process of key rising will end. <3 you cleverpun
most people are selling at 6.22 but buyers often buy at 6 ref
its is from my exprience from a lot of trade servers
How did keys good up this fast in the first place? Please someone tell me.
a guy made interesting articles about it, see his tumblr
http://one-crate-per-week.tumblr.com/
6.11 Is a quicksell I posted 1 on classifieds and got 3 adds in 5 seconds.
Why is it taking so long?
It's taking long because there's substantial evidence against this suggestion, but also a lot of proof for it at the same time, and it always takes a long time for any currency to pass because they're considered to be a big change within the economy.
If you want to speed it up, go find us some proof that's new and argue for either side of the debate.
Buy = 6.11 refined - each
1. http://i.imgur.com/YIWcTG9.jpg
Sell = 6.22 refined - each
1. http://i.imgur.com/RxBC5YN.png - 3 Keys
2. http://i.imgur.com/eK5gKsd.png - 1 Key
3. http://i.imgur.com/xXOdxqY.jpg - 2 Keys
4. http://i.imgur.com/wMAJeNL.png - 1 Key
5. http://i.imgur.com/DuaqiZR.jpg - 1 Key
6. http://i.imgur.com/XRNZSZb.jpg - 7 Keys
7. http://i.imgur.com/BePQOcx.jpg - 4 Keys
8. http://i.imgur.com/RZd2dFD.jpg - 2 Keys
"Proof or not, I downvote" That's the attitude everyone hates around here, blind voting. You're supposed to analyze the evidence given to us, and *then* decide whether or not the price should change. Not simply because you do or don't want it to.
I can upvote or downvote whenever and whoever I want. You have no right to tell me what I should do. Also, what makes you think I care what backpack.tf thinks about me? A lot of people hate sites like backpack.tf and spreadsheets these days, so it doesn't really matter.
Oh god, still not closed/acceped? :D
im just saying right now, keys are selling for 6.22 mostly now, and people are buying them, very quick sell is 6 ref and quick sell is around 6.11, go look on the backpack classified and search keys 90% of keys on there are going for 6.22 +
Can Now this Suggestion come to an end ??? CLOSE OR ACCEPT OMG IT CANT BE SO DIFFICULT !!!
i know right xD
trades Mann Co. Supply Crate Key Tool open in TF2outpost.com = 16,388 occurence(s) (+80%) for Metal 6.22 refined-6.33 refined
You Know Check all: http://www.tf2outpost.com/search/162591388
Gonna upvote this, i'm buyed keys for 6 ref and 6 ref it's definitely a quick-sell tried to buy several times for A LOT of players and they already sold it, i'm sold a lot of keys for 6.33 and i'm can provide proof.
UPVOTE!
But you really need more proof KoDoRin...
If you think my proof is lackluster, you are more than welcome to support me with screenshots! :)
For me the proof is fine but for the rest...
Well let me give you some help here :3
http://i.imgur.com/Lv7f2yo.jpg (7.00 but he is my friend i'm think this doesn't count.)
http://i.imgur.com/F0YsdO1.png (6.30)
http://i.imgur.com/TaVNfQN.jpg (6.33)
I'm have more but i'm used in the previous sugestion :v
Oh and forgot here is my trade !
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14876932
Owns 1?!??! Downvote!
nah jk upvote :p
I just logged in to this site to check key prices after several months of quitting trading.
Key prices have gone up 2 ref, and the proofs are always bad, proven wrong in comments, yet always accepted.
And that's why I quit. Inflating prices for funsies/profit.
Adding up all my proofs and supporting proofs is ~450-500 links
Is that bad? :S
well i thought i'd just add some "proof" if this counts as anything; scrap.tf is already banking keys at 6.11/6.22 :P Even though its a bot site its still super popular and widely used :| maybe that counts as something
Once this suggestion opened, scrap.tf quickly went from always having keys available to buy @ 6.11, to never having any available @ 6.11 for more than five seconds before someone snatched them.
Of course it changes the whole deal. Scrap.tf may be one out of the thousands who sells keys, but they have such an influence to the market and their abundance of metal allows them to buy keys for 6.11 at any time without worrying getting low in metal making it harder than ever for 6 ref buyers to get sales. I mean logically: Would you rather sell your key for 6.11 ref to a 24-hour automated bot that can buy your key anytime or sell your key for 6 ref if the seller can be potentially offline. Not to mention it's so easy to find other bot buyers for 6.11 (see above) to begin with. Hope you liked my long boring lecture. :P
I sold a few keys at 6.11
Staying neutral for now though
6.11 is in the range though.