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The Market Gardener
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I am bored, so why not ?


Yes i do realise i own 100+, and no you are not the only want who noticed that and comment "aw lawd owns 100+"


And yes, i do realise some trades are old, you don't need to comment that as well.


Talk smart, or be quiet.


Sold for a scrap


http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13925762

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14096805

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13933483

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14131900

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13710278

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14033775

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13907889

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14055437

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12374687

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14109208

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14130730

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11103388

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12801051

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10558019

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13682041

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14143619

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13918182

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13253712

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14000718

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14140496

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13967873

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13848455

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13604634

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13970791

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13986512

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13916499

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12536054

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13910956

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13559587

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13977475

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13684052

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14044103

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13902901

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14163819

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13032339

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12511074

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13187233

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13777754

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14019282

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14164096

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12405824

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13714382

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14150139

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14148215


Not using anything that is older than 1 month old (lel)


Now i will sit back, and enjoy someone who will counter-proof me :D

    Lots of people sell weapons for a scrap.


    Not like its uncommon.


    If this was true then why isnt every weapon worth a scrap?

      if someone wants to increase the price of a weapon with proof, then he is more than welcome to do so

        Providing counter-proof is impossible.

        I mean, there are tons of weapon sellers for a scrap, but almost no sellers for a weapon (not because they won't be able to sell, because it's not profitable for them, just weapon swap service). Since it's a regular drop weapon, there are no buyers for this weapon either.

      Then by that logic, if people are selling their hats for 1.33 ref, why haven't we made every hat 1.33?


      EDIT: Plus, as you said, it's not uncommon. We should probably be tacking the 1 scrap onto a lot of weapon's price ranges right now, since it's possible according to what you say.

        it's not the old selling =/= sold thing, these links actually sold

          I was copying what he was saying but replacing it with hats but okay then. :v

          supply and demand. people really like those certain hats. like the team captain is a widely liked hat while the Alien Swarm Parasite isn't really liked so obviously they shouldn't sell for the same.

          because they r sold at a scrap for ppl 2 make profit, if they were a scrap then ppl would sell for 2 scrap or a scrap and a wep soz bout my england i am on phone

            well, then it would kind of defeat the crafting purpose. Think about it. TF2 will have to change a lot if this happens. I think.

              because it takes two weapons to make 1 scrap

              162 Market Gardners? O.O Das Kewl.

                Why do you even have 162?

                ^ What AK said a few comments above me. With the same logic you use, shouldn't every weapon be 0.05-0.11?


                Though I do appreciate the effort you've obviously gone and put into this. I've made two lv1-100 collections (one for red-tapes and one for guillotines) and a lot of work goes in .-.)

                  Not all weapons can be sold for 1 scrap. Here's a clue. Go to scrap.tf. Whatever weapon you can't find is probably a candidate. I am having a hell of a time finding 10 Hitman's Heatmaker for a chem set. There is 1 market gardner in the bank (sound of Karam rushing to bank can be heard). So yeah, he has a lot but there r so many that there is competition enough that no one can go crazy. He's not manipulating because he could already sell these for a scrap, same as anyone. He is just noting that they sell easily for a scrap really.

                    That's actually a very unreliable method


                    Theres about 8 market gardeners in scrap.tf right now.

                    Theres about 35 escape plans.


                    You have to check the ratio between the ones available and the numbers that exist.


                    If you take a look at backpack.tf, about 600,000 market gardeners exist

                    It also says, about 1,600,00 escape plans exist


                    Rocket Jumpers are .05 - .11. Why? It's not because most players find it useful/fun. some do. The main reason is that theres only about 300k of them existing.


                    So there's about a million more escape plans than market gardeners, and very few rocket jumpers. So using scrap.tf isnt your very best bet that's not a very reliable judge.

                      Part of this is that many weapons can be sold for 1 scrap. It is likely one could do a suggestion for degreasers also.

                        At any given time there is only 50,000 players. Many of the items in existence r in accounts that r no longer used. There is likely around 200,000 active players globally. Scrap.tf is more of signal of what is happening than what stats will show you for some items.

                    Hm I dunno, there were (and prob. are) quite some (7 I think) available at scrap.tf when I checked yesterday, I was thinking of making this suggestion as well but scrapped the idea..... hah... I leave now :<.

                      THAT MANIPULATION


                      <3

                        I have sold a number of these for a scrap. Here's my trade for this weapon:


                        http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13934027


                        I find them a little more difficult to sell than jumpers and loose cannons. But often people want the jump set, so I keep some in stock.


                        Weapons are going up because not everyone figured out how to idle again. Less idling = less weapons. Not to mention crafting strangefiers is swallowing up weapons. Demand is there, supply is low.


                          Less idling - price of keys go down <:

                            I hope so!

                              more realistically, the rate at which keys are increasing goes down

                                http://backpack.tf/stats/5002/6/0


                                If you have a look at the graph the quantity of the refined metal seems to be on rise, not on a drop. Would it be safe to say that idling is not done or would you like me to put it in a more dignified way; more people have started playing tf2?

                              Seems Legit, upvote

                                This is true manipulation, rising your bp by over 8 keys


                                Nah, I'm just kidding, good job, you have my upvote

                                  I don't care that you have that many, I want to why the hell you have that many????

                                    going to have to downvote this trade due to the fact that this was a planed price manipulation. regardless if price is acurate or not (which i think at 0.5 is fine anyways casue scrap.tf) i belive you planed this trade when you started colecting over 150 and if there is any demand for it it is probably just you buying the weapon.

                                      He has had that collection for a while (Before i knew him so more than 3 months). Dont think anyone would go to that lengths just to raise their bp by 1$

                                      what was "lel" about that sentence

                                        Why do you... i dont even...

                                          >Owns 100+

                                          >Has 45 links

                                          You need more proof for such a common item. It can be sold very easily for a weapon 1:1. If i cared about the Market, I could go on a trade server and quite easily pick one up for a rainblower. You most likely didn't pay more than a weapon for most of the market gardeners you have now (or if you found a few) so with this, and what AK_opt said, downvote

                                            Karam = New Long

                                                  We all Know You're trying to profit from this. What other reason is there to have 162 market gardeners in your inventory? On the other hand though only a few people care. Congratz for manipulating the market To make some extra metal. Good job for knowing how the market works.

                                                    Get some buyers for 1 scrap

                                                    inb4 0wnz 162 :>

                                                        way too late.

                                                        Like owning 162 really matters. Remember, the Loose Canon broke the 0.05 barrier a couple of weeks ago.


                                                        Really, I see no problem upchucking here. You appear to have more proof than even KoDoRiN had.

                                                          those are just the recent once in less than 1 month span, i didn't post old ones either ._.

                                                            I will say I don't like proof that is a month old.

                                                            I don't have a problem with it, I upvoted, and was just trying to make a joke. Sorry if I offended you with my OUTRAGEOUS comment.

                                                              However, Loose Canons are rather newer than the Gardeners, so there are more in peoples inventories. There isn't a need to upvote this trade.

                                                              I still don't know what to think. If this gets accepted, then I guess everyone's going to hop around like headless chickens suggesting 0.05-0.11 ranges on all of the weapons in the game.


                                                              On the other hand though, the proof checks out. I don't know what the policy is with weapon pricing and I honestly just don't know what to think so I'll remain neutral and see what happens.

                                                                let them hop like headless chickens, woifi/clever would love them and take care of them

                                                                  True. Headless chickens are a fun sight, maybe I should just upvote at the last second and run for the hills with a pair of binoculars haha :p

                                                                  You know what won't be .05 - .11? Tribe Shivs and Buff Banner. Tons on scrap.tf.

                                                                    and equalizers

                                                                    The Thing is I feel Like All weapons do sell for .05-.11 Maybe it should of been that price in the first place, i mean it actually makes much more sense than Just .05 when the majority sell for 1 scrap.

                                                                    Every weapon at 0.05-0.11

                                                                    OR

                                                                    Every weapon stay at 0.05


                                                                    That's totally stupid to increase his backpack like that, and that weapon is not even rare.

                                                                      i don't even sell them, and no there is no need for this OR that, is every craft hat 1.22 now ? No

                                                                        Actually they sort of are...

                                                                        There are more Charmer's Chapeaus in the game than there are Baseball Bill's Sports Shines, and yet the Chapeau is worth way more. Why? Because people want it more.


                                                                        Sometimes it's not about rarity but about application. Market Gardeners are way more useful than Skullcutters or Pain Trains or some other crap wep but they are used more regardless of how many exist or what the drop rates are.

                                                                          How many soldiers who are not trolling or aren't on idle servers you see equipped with market gardener? An escape plan or a disciplinary action is the most effectively used. So according to your principle if other crap is 0.05, the gardeners go 0.11 then those useful weapons should go 0.22 ref each?

                                                                            logic =/= market

                                                                            Demand + sales = market

                                                                              Agreed. Perhaps you should have posted this as an answer to his comment.

                                                                              It is funny though that some of the sellers actually paid outpost money or keys to increase their trade limit and autobump to sell weapons for 1 scrap each. But I am glad they finally have a savior.

                                                                              No. By the used logic, the items that are more in demand should be identified as having a higher median price. If you believe there to be other weapons that are prioritised over others per se, then make a suggestion for them with proof like this trade.

                                                                                star_ :<

                                                                              > Market Gardeners are way more useful than Skullcutters or Pain Trains.

                                                                              Yeah, 0/10 try again.

                                                                                That's why I said "or some other crap wep" :| let your imagination do the work and use the force to find a weapon worse than the MG. There, that's it.

                                                                                pain train > all.

                                                                              To be honest, this would be really interesting if it came trough! To see a bit change in how trading works, give new traders a chance to gain some metal too! I like this idea. not to mention this weapon also seems to be rather high in demand.


                                                                              Upvote.

                                                                              I blame YouTube for this. Nobody would care about market gardening people if it wasn't publicized so much.

                                                                                Umm wut? The market gardener is a fun weapon to use even if someone from youtube uses it.

                                                                                  I don't believe that's true. Most players of TF2 are people of action and would see it on a server, like it and then look it up on YouTube.

                                                                                  Yur bp goes up 1.62 dollars xD


                                                                                  On topic: Good proof upvote, and you had more proof than the loose cannon too :P

                                                                                    Looks like someone is following my footsetps eh? :P Upchucked.

                                                                                      I think most of the weapons should be 0.05-.11 ref. If it can be sold at .11 ref than it should be in the range.

                                                                                        Omg your bp goes up by a couple a scrap downboat.

                                                                                        Good proof, but idk alot of weapons each day get sold for a scrap.

                                                                                          They are selling all weapons in their backpack for 1 scrap. So why did you pick a market gardener to raise? Loose cannon I can understand, it is somewhat rare, at least from my experience with it's drop rate. Market Gardener is not rare, nor have I seen much application of it in pubs.


                                                                                          Going to have to downvote this, because it doesn't make sense to raise the price of this and not any other weapons when they are all sold for the same price.

                                                                                            Actually since star's vid on the glitch for the market Gardner quite alot of people have went out to quickly buy one to try xD

                                                                                              This is sold for a scrap as much as every other weapon. '-'

                                                                                                I call bullshit on this. You need to have some guts to not only make a suggestion to make the range of a weapon reach 0.11 refined but you also own 162. It usually doesn't matter but here it is obvius you just want to raise your backpack value.

                                                                                                  by 1.62 dollars, sure

                                                                                                    Does it matter if it only raises 2 cents? The thing is you just used selling links. Did they sell? Do you have proofs of that? As lots of people say here, Selling =/= Sold.

                                                                                                      did you even bother checking the links, check them and come back, you really don't want to make a fool of yourself now don't you ?

                                                                                                        I did. I could go to any trade and say added. That does not mean I bought them. Do you have proofs that they sold for 1 scrap? Yeah, I thought so.

                                                                                                          it is funny to me, most of the trades no one said "added", did you even bother check the history of the item and the seller backpack ? Yeah, i thought so.

                                                                                                            You didn't answer to me. I don't see a single piece of proof that these sold for 1 scrap. What I mean is, the person could have a trade asking for 1 scrap, and they could sell it thus being able to see that said weapon is in someone else's hands. But how do you know that it did sell for that price?

                                                                                                              I...I seriously don't know how to respond to that.

                                                                                                                wow you really don't want this suggestion to pass.

                                                                                                                  Of course they sold for a scrap, almost every weapon can be sold for a scrap if a buyer is looking for it.

                                                                                                                Um...so he has a wall of sellers whoch have evidently sold all faking trades to raise hi's bp by like a dollar? okay.


                                                                                                                Also he has had these for like ages

                                                                                                          He has had those market gardeners for like ages. Proof is correct, instead of looking at the owns please look at the proof

                                                                                                            Please, do not enter if you are the one who is not reading anything. Did I say I am against this because the person has a certain number of this item? Clearly not.

                                                                                                              "you also own 162. It usually doesn't matter but here it is obvius you just want to raise your backpack value."--the comment im replying to


                                                                                                              Please re-read what you asked said to me and then at what i replied to. You dont seem very bright...

                                                                                                                I think the one who needs to reread the comments here is you. It's a simple line, if you need help ask someone to read it for you. "Did I say I am against this because the person has a certain number of this item?". I pointed it out because not everyone out there has that number of items. But was that the reason I am against the suggestion? Clearly not.

                                                                                                                  "It usually doesn't matter but here it is obvius you just want to raise your backpack value."

                                                                                                                  "Does it matter if it only raises 2 cents? The thing is you just used selling links. Did they sell? Do you have proofs of that? As lots of people say here, Selling =/= Sold." -Jus


                                                                                                                  Also you mentioned, " and they could sell it thus being able to see that said weapon is in someone else's hands. But how do you know that it did sell for that price?" histories lie ? No. Closed trades lie ? Maybe but when it is no longer in his bp, then No.

                                                                                                                    You just answered yourself. Tell me, if a person posts certain item at a certain price, and then closes it because this person sold it, doest that mean that this hypothetical person sold it for their price? The price posted in their trade? I just want you to answer to this question.

                                                                                                                      i placed a key for 6 ref and sold it without anyone writing "added", does it mean that i sold it for 6 keys, the "common sense" answer is yes, unless the key was involved in a different hidden transaction. Weapons don't undergo big transactions like key ones, but is is highly sensed that they sold for their price. If not, they must have had another trade listing it as .05 or the buyer had a trade of him buying weapons at .05, common sense here that it did sell for his price, do i know what happens behind the scenes ? sadly, i don't

                                                                                                                      I can't comment in your post below so I'll do so here. We do not use common sense to price things here. We use proof. Remember that word, it is important. I've seen lots of items with a buyout of a certain price, someone add a person an buy it for less than it was listed in the trade. The fact that the person said in the notes that they want a scrap and that they sold the item means nothing. For all we know, they could have gave them for free.

                                                                                                                        then all the suggestion on this site are wrong ? ok ...

                                                                                                                          Before you say "Remember that word, it is important" you should remember who has more accepted suggestions here.

                                                                                                                            This is pretty much what happens when a hypocrite like you comes onto a suggestion making a fool of themselves.

                                                                                                                Sold/selling for .05?

                                                                                                                  many people still do 1:1 weapon swaps (like myself, but i don't sell the gardeners) and all of my 162 are bought for 1 wep each http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13586121 this is my new trade, had a previous one

                                                                                                                    Thanks - upboat.

                                                                                                                  You all need to remember that bp.tf's prices are based on the market price and not the other way around. We're not changing the price of Market Gardeners, we're updating our price to reflect what it already is.


                                                                                                                  It's not as if Market Gardeners will randomly jump in price if this passes. The price is already 0.05-0.11, judt not on bp.tf. Which is the whole reason any valid price suggestion is made. :/

                                                                                                                    Also, when I say market price it's a bit confusing with "Market Gardener." Market shmarket, I say

                                                                                                                      and the tf2 market is actively selling for 1 scrap, don't we need to actually respond of how the tf2 market is selling this weapon for ?

                                                                                                                  There is a range, i don't see what's the big deal. There is good proof..

                                                                                                                    Karam is a market gardener :D

                                                                                                                    I upvoted.

                                                                                                                      As the Market Gardener is a weapon, and weapons in general are fairly easily sold at 1 scrap, this if passed should necessarily apply to all other weapons. However I still oppose this change because I believe that all normal weapons were originally priced at 1/2 scrap based on crafting rather than trading.

                                                                                                                        no, if this does pass other weapons DOESN'T need to be .05-.11, it is the demand/supply thing, not a rule for all weapons mate

                                                                                                                          It is my opinion, and I should suspect the opinion of many other traders, that supply and demand are for the most part irrelevant to normal weapon trading. Furthermore there is an aspect to this argument that would probably be considered more subjective and that relates to retaining accessibility of weapons to all players.


                                                                                                                          First of all in order to address supply and demand we should address the fact that weapons are dropped frequently enough that through trading, even without the intent of making a profit, every player could realistically own every weapon at some point. There is no real point for any player to have 2 copies of the same weapon in unique quality (unless they intend to sell for a profit), so demand is naturally kept at a relatively low and constant rate. So in essence the supply is so high demand is virtually rendered moot, especially since many players who would want a specific weapon will get one eventually in a random drop.


                                                                                                                          As random drops will constantly keep the supply of weapons roughly equal to demand we can assume that demand will remain relatively constant. Nevertheless, if a certain weapon with non cosmetic effects were to become significantly more valuable than other non cosmetic weapons there is an issue of fairness that must be addressed, an issue that pertains not to trading but game play balance. Certain weapons will naturally be more useful in certain situations than other weapons, and one method of ensuring game play balance is to ensure that all players have access to the same weapons. Should one weapon become significantly more valuable than another, and that weapon is more useful than another, the advantage is placed squarely in the hands of the player who has more trading experience, as opposed to player skill.


                                                                                                                          Fortunately for the balance of Team Fortress 2 natural economic process should keep the value of weapons low and fair. As a personal opinion I believe the economy would remain more healthy if we keep to current weapon prices. However the essence of my argument comes down not to the fact that weapons should never change in price, but more importantly, that they should remain equal in price. As I stated in my first post here I believe normal weapons find there price from crafting recipes and game play, as opposed to economics. Perhaps changing the value of a weapon now might not signify a large change but it could have ongoing repercussions inside of regular game play.

                                                                                                                            you hit this post right on the money, i wish i could have said it so perfectly

                                                                                                                        All these people being stupid is really aggravating me. "Lots of weps sell for a scrap, so this isn't right." So fucking what that you're raising your bp value, that's what traders do, and if you back it up, then even if we disagree we have no right to say no here.


                                                                                                                        He can't raise every weapon at once everyone, so stop getting mad cause he's raising gardeners so he can possibly eventually sell them off slightly easier, he could get a scrap each anyway. The idea of 'weapons sell for a scrap, so i'm not upvoting' is fucking retardedly funny, and if you said that, you're dumb, that's fucking plain contradiction. Good proof, owns a lot, so he CLEARLY KNOWS THE MARKET WELL and it makes sense, selling weps for a scrap is what people do, this site should reflect that fact.

                                                                                                                          i appreciate your rant, i can rant even more, but please, watch your language :)

                                                                                                                            ...Just hoard every item star make a video on. Loose cannon shot up. Market gardener shot up as soon as he made that glitch vid :l

                                                                                                                            Oh, you own 162, coincidence? I THINK NOT

                                                                                                                              I don't understand, i've seen at least 5 other posts about raising the price on a few craft weapons in the past month. As I'm sure we all agree on, craft weapons sell for 1 scrap or another weapon in a one for one. So what's the point in raising the price in a few select weapons when they all go for 0.05-0.11 anyways? If you really want weapons to be priced at that range shouldn't all weapons be priced the same?

                                                                                                                                should all craft hats be 1.33/1.22 ? no.

                                                                                                                                Supply + Demand = Economy

                                                                                                                                Similar items same price =/= Economy

                                                                                                                                  Cole, all craft weapons no matter what should be 0.05 to 0.11 ref. Whether people are scrapbanking and buying two for one scrap, or selling them one for one, it's not big a difference. All craft weapons should be 0.05 to 0.11. Nothing more, nothing less.

                                                                                                                                    that's what I'm saying so what's the point of selectively upping the price on some craft weapons when we all know 0.05 on craft weapons means 1 weapon or 1 scrap

                                                                                                                                      The point is that some weapons are consistently used more and thus are in demand more. Guarenteed you could sell a Gunslinger or Jag faster than you could sell a Pain Train or Volcano Fragment. And because they're in higher demand, that means that 1 scrap is a more common buy price as opposed to people just waiting to find one.

                                                                                                                                        Excerpt from my other post:

                                                                                                                                        First of all in order to address supply and demand we should address the fact that weapons are dropped frequently enough that through trading, even without the intent of making a profit, every player could realistically own every weapon at some point. There is no real point for any player to have 2 copies of the same weapon in unique quality (unless they intend to sell for a profit), so demand is naturally kept at a relatively low and constant rate. So in essence the supply is so high demand is virtually rendered moot, especially since many players who would want a specific weapon will get one eventually in a random drop.

                                                                                                                                  How did you...*faint*

                                                                                                                                    Metal is dropping

                                                                                                                                    Buds are dropping

                                                                                                                                    Bills are dead

                                                                                                                                    Craft hats are stepping towards 1.22


                                                                                                                                    ALL HAIL MARKET GARDENERS

                                                                                                                                      yes wolfy. as we all know, in a few years, buds/bills will be worth shit and market gardeners will be 30 keys a pop :P

                                                                                                                                        ALL HAIL MARKET GARDENERS

                                                                                                                                          No loose cannons? ;c

                                                                                                                                      That collection... I'm sitting here wondering why the hell you have 162 market gardeners... ._. I gib up on trying to find logic in TF2 backpacks

                                                                                                                                        u give up on 162 market gardeners when theres mattie with a bp worth 50k

                                                                                                                                          well yes, because 162 market gardeners is just random XD at least mattie has a clear purpose, which is to burn his life savings on team captains

                                                                                                                                        ***Ppl at a meeting***

                                                                                                                                        Boss:The tf2 economy is going to shit what are your ideas?

                                                                                                                                        Clever man 1:Lets mess up the price of hats :DDDD

                                                                                                                                        Clever man 2:Lets mess up the price of Weps :DDDD

                                                                                                                                        Clever man 3:Lets mess up both yaaaaaaay!!!!

                                                                                                                                        Honestly idk too much fighting and opinions to say anything imma stay neutral

                                                                                                                                          I agree. c:

                                                                                                                                            there is no "boss" in the economy, it is all the community, why don't people like change ? will hats be 1.33 forever ? no, will ALL weapons be 0.05 ? no, will keys keep rising FOREVER ? no

                                                                                                                                              The point of that post wasn't to say there was a boss it's just a scenario and by the way if you look at the end of my post "Honestly idk too much fighting and opinions to say anything imma stay neutral" was quoted by me so if you haven't realized what I'm saying I have the same opinion as you,which is why I'm neutral

                                                                                                                                            I have a theory that these are going because....well..._STAR

                                                                                                                                            Remember how the Loose Cannon went up? _STAR, (And the new update)

                                                                                                                                            Loose cannon went up with it's ability to Double Donk

                                                                                                                                            This may be going up because of people attempting to Market *Bounce* Gardener people

                                                                                                                                            Just a theory

                                                                                                                                              Agreed. Many people didnt even know or cared about double donk but then a few vids on yt...

                                                                                                                                              I seen a couple bots selling the market gardner on scrap.tf so I downvote

                                                                                                                                                I... I don't even... I just don't even know anymore.

                                                                                                                                                Is this a troll suggestion?

                                                                                                                                                  Why yes obviously it is. As you can see, all that proof there is magically invalid and this is secretly not a serious suggestion. :\

                                                                                                                                                  I can already feel the shitstorm coming.

                                                                                                                                                    Upvote, I agree that not all weapons should be half a scrap just because they are weapons. Then every craft hat should be 1.33 which is not the case. If there is more demand for a hat, it is worth more. Why would this not be the case with weapons?

                                                                                                                                                      My opinion is that every single clean weapon priced at this site at 0.05 should have a 0.05-0.11 range. I'm one of those who sell weapons for a scrap/any 2 clean weapons each, and yes, I believe I already sold over 500 weapons in the last 2 years. Lately, with the addition of this chem sets, I sell weapons at a much faster rate, always at 1 scrap. Why should I sell weapons for 0.05? I'll just craft them myself then.. Don't need to bother selling..

                                                                                                                                                        Okay, here my view on this:

                                                                                                                                                        Most weapons sell for 0.05-0.11, so why are they not worth 0.05-0.11? It is because it is simply WORTH half a scrap, unless there is a ridiculously high demand for it.

                                                                                                                                                        There are probably WAAAY more unsold market gardeners on the market at 1 scrap than sold. Its just that no one can be bothered to gather enough counter proof. (nor can i)

                                                                                                                                                        Many other weapons also sell for 0.11 but that does not mean their value is equal to 0.05-0.11. This is shown in much of your proof, as the links include other weapons sold for 0.05-0.11. IN THIS CASE sold=/=value. Good proof but I simply don't think this is right. It's just gonna screw the economy more. This could lead to other weapons becoming 0.05-0.11 and that would be retarded.

                                                                                                                                                        Well sorry, but this is a down vote from me.

                                                                                                                                                          keys destroyed , hats destroyed , now weapons ..

                                                                                                                                                            i see no destruction in the process, we like change, if you don't, you are free to leave.

                                                                                                                                                              leave what lol !

                                                                                                                                                              I love this.

                                                                                                                                                              yeah its a good price do it

                                                                                                                                                                every unique weapon should have this range with some exceptions considerign there will always be someone payign a scrap and vice-versa it can be acquire through scrap banking (0.5scrap)

                                                                                                                                                                  Upgoat, Upbeat, Upvote, Upboat, Updongers :D

                                                                                                                                                                    So everyone sells weps for scraps. It's hard to evaluate whether most weps should just be converted to 0.05-0.11 or whether there is really something different about this weapon (like the rocket jumper) that justifies making this higher than the others.


                                                                                                                                                                    Sellers for a wep or less:

                                                                                                                                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14200545 - selling for 0.03


                                                                                                                                                                    Unsold at a scrap:

                                                                                                                                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13976599 - 1 week - he has sold his other weps but not the market gardener

                                                                                                                                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14074515 - 6 days - has sold the spycicle but not the market gardener

                                                                                                                                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14076739 - 6 days - has sold spycicle and mantreads but not market gardener

                                                                                                                                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14073376 - 6 days - has sold other weps but not the market gardener

                                                                                                                                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14014132 - 1 week - has sold other weps but not market gardener

                                                                                                                                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14191080 - has sold other weps

                                                                                                                                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14224897 - has sold other weps

                                                                                                                                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14200980 - has sold other weps

                                                                                                                                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14093552 - has sold other weps

                                                                                                                                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14098876 - has sold other weps

                                                                                                                                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14196427 - has sold other weps

                                                                                                                                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14130630 - has sold other weps

                                                                                                                                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14042633 - 1 week

                                                                                                                                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13309384 - 1 month?


                                                                                                                                                                    And all the proof you have isn't that impressive considering it has been taken over the course of a month. I'm just not sure about this. I'll let another mod take a look as well, though

                                                                                                                                                                      I think the demand boosted mainly because star popularized a glitch for it so everyone wanted to buy one and try it out? :S


                                                                                                                                                                      (I was one of them :3)

                                                                                                                                                                      I'm still neutral about this, but if you look at those trades, most of them are selling all weapons for 1 scrap/2weapons. However, on most of those trades, if any weapons are sold, the market gardener has been sold, and in comments, if there are any, one of the first few comments is a market gardener. So there is a higher demand for the market gardener, but all weapons are sold for a scrap.

                                                                                                                                                                        A lot of those links are invalid. Click on the market gardener's history and you will see that a lot are still in the backpack's of the seller.

                                                                                                                                                                          Since the Chemistry Sets were introduced, the general demand for weapons has increased drastically. It goes for many different weps, my brother sells them and has been getting loads of adds. I don't see any point in making this 0.05-0.11 because it won't change the fact that it's sold for 1 scrap. You'd have to change lots of weps to 0.05-0.11 and have no change in market value.

                                                                                                                                                                              Wtf does this has to do anything with this suggestion.

                                                                                                                                                                              I think people are besides the point that if this guy goes through with this suggestion, he is adding 162 weapons to his backpack value, or 9 ref, which could potentially let him vote on something worth 9 ref over his backpack on this site.


                                                                                                                                                                              #Overthinkingit

                                                                                                                                                                                Of course you would want to increase the price of them... You have 162 of them!

                                                                                                                                                                                  If you invested in an item because you know it will go up, wouldn't you also prove to the world that its price is higher and provide valid proof of it?


                                                                                                                                                                                  And besides, he's already stated that he won't sell them ._. the amount someone owns in absolutely irrelevant if they provide fair proof for the raise.

                                                                                                                                                                                    For the people who are downvoting because he owns 100+ he is only making 1c off each one that he owns so he is actually making $1.62. So please don't Downvote just for this

                                                                                                                                                                                    ...He has a 8 bud bp he cares about making like a few scraps...

                                                                                                                                                                                    Owns 162.....

                                                                                                                                                                                      Point being?

                                                                                                                                                                                      162 talk

                                                                                                                                                                                      owns 162

                                                                                                                                                                                      was THIS your plan?!?

                                                                                                                                                                                        are you trying to get you backpack price increased, because why would you want 162 of those?

                                                                                                                                                                                          He has had that collection for ages, he also has a 8 bud bp why would he even care about a few scraps :P

                                                                                                                                                                                            i haven't looked at his backpack but thanks for clearing that up for me:)

                                                                                                                                                                                              Think the demand for this weapon was normal until star made a video about a glitch? Then everyone rushed out to try it out :l


                                                                                                                                                                                              This was same with the loose cannon, not many people cared about the double donk nor knew what it was but after a few vids on yt...

                                                                                                                                                                                                what glitch?

                                                                                                                                                                                                  where you can continuously jump around and maintain a crit. somewhat like a stored crit

                                                                                                                                                                                          After this I tried to sell market gardeners for 1 scrap and so far I have 3 views. I don't know how someone finds this niche weapon to be worth this really. And as others have said, if you change this you're gonna have to change all craftable weps. Hell, selling a strange one is hard already...

                                                                                                                                                                                            Downvote


                                                                                                                                                                                            you just want to increase the value of your backpack

                                                                                                                                                                                              He has had that collection for ages, he also has a 8 bud bp why would he even care about a few scraps :P

                                                                                                                                                                                                and you answer for it Should not be other user? ha ok, alt account I know of course.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Lol because it gets annoying when others keept downvoting just by looking at how much people own. Oh yes this is an alt...might wanna take a look and my profile and bp then assess that claim again :l

                                                                                                                                                                                              Summary:


                                                                                                                                                                                              Guy got a collection of market gardeners. Guy finds this collection useless. Guy wants to sell them for 1 scrap easier. Guy uses typical demagogue argument of "OMG WEPEN GOT OSLD FER 1 SCRAPZZZZZZZZZZ".


                                                                                                                                                                                              I can find a lot of trades where weapons are sold for scrap and then raise the price of half the weapons. Downvote.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Any 1 craftable weapon + any 1 craftable weapon= 1 scrap. Why should one weapon cost more than another? This is obviously a ploy to get more out of you 162 fucking market gardeners.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  So you're saying two three-rune blades should only be worth half a scrap because they're both craft weapons? Wrong. They're 2 ref each because there is demand for them. You being vulgar about the little number next to 'owns' isn't going to get you support here.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  I don't know which way to go on this since convict provided a little counterproof, however proof is also abundant. I've stayed neutral with interest to see how it results.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Anyone that downvotes this is or was f2p. Learn how the games works before commenting, upvote.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    It is technically possibly to sell any unique weapon for 1 scrap, because many people do so. However, there are also many people who simply craft two unique weapons into one scrap, hence making it worth .05 ref. Also, you will never find anyone selling two of these for one scrap, because why bother selling when you could just craft it into a scrap yourself? Thus, the only ones around are unsolds at 1 scrap, and sales at 1 scrap. Of course there will be proven sales. But I still don't think it's enough for raising the price.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    If I accept this one, then almost all other unique weapons can possibly be sold for 1 scrap. Then we would have to change every single one...


                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm going to reject this suggestion. If you feel there is an issue, please make a forum post about it and we can discuss.