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Well if you are too lazy to accept an conservative bump up let me show you the true price bump then

man, if they charge 1 cent per dislike you guys give all of you guys would go bankrupt. anyway,

sellers sold at 5+

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10546842 add

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10575844 sold at 5.33 and now raise price to 5.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10582111 still haven’t sold any yet

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10465851 sold a few at 5.22

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10600753 add at 5.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10590481 sold at 5.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10605787 sold at 5 instantly

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8045971 sold at 5.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10575071 5 ref offer

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10578630 already sold at 5.22

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9388259 add at 5.333

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10593381 add at 5.22

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10605846 selling for 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10596378 willing buyer at 5.22

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10314598 only one left at 5.11

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10580214 was out of stock now restock and sold 5.22

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10581198 out of stock at 5.11

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10592197 add at 5.22

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10600410 add at 5.22

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10442733 add at 5.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6962413 sold at 5.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10409556 2 adds at 5.33. 1 offer at 5.22

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10589200 sold 2 at 5.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10538562 oos at 5.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10565835 add at 5.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10605962 add at 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10495435 don't know if sold but history changed

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10358992 sold at 5.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10598668 owner said sold plenty at 5.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10460521 out of stock at 5.22

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10467730 add at 5.11

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10605944 sold 3 at 5.11

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10605150 selling at 5.33. experimental trade so I want to see how long it take

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10578098 oos at 5.22

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10476036 don't know if sold. changed history though


Buyers at 5 or higher

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10510006

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10487523 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10478321 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10509947 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10510053 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10485109 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10496569 5-5.11

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10498392 5

http://redd.it/1dkp86

http://redd.it/1dklhv 5.22

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10470704

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10357672 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10414251 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10497644 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10489145 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10504969 5.11

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10507862 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10500067 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9986000 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10509799

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10503165

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10494924

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10493309

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10440277

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10424553

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10455082

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10490566

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10480532

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10501274

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10379977

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8440932

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10507429

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10317680

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10503627

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10289133 5.11

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10256058

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10485891

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10485891

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10494615

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10228857

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10500845 5.11

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10495820

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10507614

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10475776

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10133444

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10455152

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10460155

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10415151

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10509880

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10510494 5.11

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10507072 5.22

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10490680

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10604606

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10496705

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10548855

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9471984

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10606159

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10492761

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6140240

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10601003

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10605777 5.11

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10581311

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10582751

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10284994 4.77 no comment in week

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10524056

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10509625 4.77 no comment in 3 days.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10588896

    You're cute, I like you.

      The amount of proof is undeniable. Upvote.

        you have no idea what you're doing, eh? :DD

          Nah he just doesn't realize the mods are messing with him and he should get an alt to suggest such a thing.

            I don't like the fact that keys are going up, but they are. Accept it.

              "i dont like the fact"

              then do something about it instead of accepting it

                LOL What do you want me to do about it? Buy keys for cheaper? Can't. Sell keys for cheaper? I don't sell keys. I use them to buy shit or uncrate.


                So, what would you say I do?

                  hmm....provide counterproof?

                    If I could find counterproof I'd buy those keys myself. Why don't you provide counterproof?

                      hmm....lets see. because i've provided counterproof on pretty much every suggestion bring keys up in the past 2 weeks and some f****** took my proof for lowering keys and he lowered them himself. so yeah, im bored. all you people type useless crap and find no counter, your a problem too

                  So if someone enslaved tons of people, including you, then you would just accept it? (this is not suggesting were slaves or any shit like that, it was the first example that came to mind)

                    There is a huge difference. Your comparing someones life to some pixels in a video game.

                      I said it's the first thing that popped into my head, I didn't say it was a good example.

                      No, I'd try to get out of slavery and probably end up getting myself killed. And getting out of slavery is probably more likely than keys dropping again.

                        "getting out of slavery is probably more likely than keys dropping again." this is how you know the economy is crap.

                  They downvote you for speaking the truth. it's alright.

                    It's unfortunate how uncivil people can be when it comes to keys, but are perfectly contempt with nearly every other price suggestion with a solid amount of proof.


                    I understand people want keys and I understand a higher key price makes it harder to get into the market, but it's hard to deny that keys are going up and no amount of dislikes on someone who agrees or likes on someone who disagrees with that fact is going to change that.

                      I will be honest with you here, I don't like the fact keys are going up sure, but I extremely dislike it because of the fact that keys are used as a currency. It makes all items that are previously listed in keys be worth so much. Keys should have a fixed price if they should be used as currency. So I will downvote anything that is not a fixed price or has a range.

                        "So I will downvote anything that is not a fixed price or has a range."

                        Implying votes have a value on key suggestions. LAWL

                          This system uses a checks and balances system. Every vote should count then. Sure admins do favor some things over others, but as far as I am concerned, they do a very good job at checking for counter-proof and making sure the proof is valid. So yes, I do realize gathering counter-proof is much more effective, but what counter-proof could I gather? The same proof that Long has would be my proof for what I want, except maybe I would include some 4.88 buys, which could easily be argued as quick sells. It would be very ineffective, so I will go with what I have done right now, downvote and state my opinion.

                          The only currency in TF2 that has a fixed price is Bill's hat. Ref and Buds even have price fluctuations. Even real-world currency has their values change everyday. It's unfortunate, but it's true.


                          "So I will downvote anything that is not a fixed price or has a range."

                          I'd like you to reread my last paragraph. Downvoting/disliking simply because you do not like it will not do anything. That's how votes on key suggestions became useless.

                            I think I misused those words there. I didn't intend to say that keys should be completely fixed. Of course people are going to ask higher or lower depending on if you are buying or selling from the price, which is why I think there should be a set price. Nor did I mean that I would downvote every single non fixed rate that Long makes. Infact, I quite liked his last suggestion of 4.88 - 5.11 ref.

                            So I guess what I intended to say is that the range should be +/- a scrap, but a single set price for now would be even better.

                            And yes, I do realize stating my opinion is MUCH less effective than posting links to counter-proof. But there is no counter-proof, so I will do with what I have.

                        And here i thought you would be banned for posting another key suggestion. Damn it.

                        "Long, I think you should totally get a life and stop finding a bunch of proof to raise the value of your backpack."

                          to Spycrab (as i assume julia was quoting spycrab; thanks btw)


                          He is trade banned numb-nuts. Raising his bp is stupid. He does it because he has "dedication" (or whatever degrogatory word people use) to this site.


                          Quite frankly it is screwing us over.But still, he is doing it out of "dedication". KNow your facts before you start pointing fingers.

                            He's trade banned? Why? So that means his $1,000 backpack is useless now?

                              It means his $1,000 backpack is worth essentially $0 because he can't trade any of it.

                                temporarily

                                  *permanent*


                                  read what happens in a ban. It says specifically it will not be lifted. EVER.

                        Now now green belt. You know better.

                          What happened to you being banned if you started making Key suggestions again?

                            I'm not convinced 5.33 needs to be in range. Certainly, you've shown a couple odd ones selling at 5.33, but then others have been doing the same for 4.66 and I'm sure you'd agree that doesn't belong in range.


                            As it stands, I've yet to have trouble finding multiple 5.22 ref sellers available when searching keys, and that remains true today. I would say high range should not be any higher than that just yet.


                            Just my two cents. Due to conflict of interest issues, I will not be handling your key suggestions either way.

                              you know what should be count as odd sold ? 5.66-6 because through the forum and past key suggestions I saw a few sold at 5.66 and 6.

                                I paid 11 refined or 5.5 each for 2 keys yesterday.

                                  why would you do that idiot

                                > yet to have trouble finding multiple 5.22 ref sellers


                                High range ought to include the price you'll pay if buying more than 2 keys from one person.


                                The low range is a price at which you can sell quickly and in volume. Applying the same standard to high range forces the inclusion of 5.33.

                                  For god sake can't admins come to some conclusions and post some fucking rules so that everyone can adhere to them. Each one of the admins seems to run away when it comes to dirty or tough decisions.

                                  Show some backbone guys.

                                    http://pastebin.com/yKLxDVcv because of idiots like this.

                                    read it, it is so stupid it is funny.

                                      Idiots are everywhere mate. Some consider you and me idiots too, but just live with it.

                                      As far as keys are considered, in my opinion, backpack.tf admins are wrongly accused, but that said I also believe that share a responsibility to this community too. They should thereby, implement some rules that should curb the inflating key prices to which backpack.tf is partially responsible too.

                                      The main problem is that admins amongst themselves do not know what to do and thus they fail to exercise the steps needed to walk with the community and idiotically choose to let people, like clevepun, bring a disgrace to the repo of the website.

                                      I shall repeat - They should show some guts and implement some rules so that this quicksell/quickbuy problem would be solved once it for all. And atleast have a collective say on the issues and not like cleverpun saying sumthing diff, chiefshoe lost on his own tracks, vincent busy in granting favours, and other admins in total disagreement to each other.

                                        "most people miss the bigger picture, which is admins control everything on this site, and one person determines 8 million people's fate. This group is incredibly clever and have outsmarted 8 million people". So 8 million of the tf2 players are idiots? XDDD Anyways, this site shows suggested price, IT'S NOT A ******* BIBLE. If it says keys are worth 5 ref, go ahead on sell for 10! Or try to buy for 2. I don't think it's the admins fault that people are so illiterate they don't understand the meaning of "Prices listed are suggested values only. Price may not always be accurate or updated." This idiocy is just too much now. All these comments are just people raging over the fact that they can't afford a virtual item. Everyone knows these suggestions are legit. they just refuse to accept it. It's actually quite sad.... And hilarious...

                                          Does it need to "outsmart" 8 million people, or however many people we think are trading? Once, not even a majority, of players begin to follow a given spreadsheet, more and more people get "sucked" into it. I believe that bp.tf tries not to influence the price of keys, and all items for that matter, but it does anyway. It's inevitable.

                                            "Prices listed are suggested values only. Price may not always be accurate or updated." -- and all the admins always wrote this site is only reporting the market price. Again they have fucking no idea what they are doing. Hilarious !!!

                                              It's been said multiple times that these are just suggested values. I don't think anyone can complain about the rising prices if they are treating this site as a bible.

                                      prices are too high, it's still a good proposal though


                                      upvote

                                          Ah

                                          So, you did decide to make another suggestion a day after your previous one

                                          ok

                                            You need more proof

                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10611050 sold out at 5.22

                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10157908 sold at 5.33 now change price to higher

                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10617505 sold 2 at 5 very fast

                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10617865 5.11 owner say 7 adds in 10 seconds.

                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10516879 check bp look like he sold at least one

                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10617483 sold very fast at 5.11


                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10546375 add at 5.33

                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10617187 oos at 5.22

                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10618159 sold at 5 instantly

                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10617811 sold at 5.33


                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10617440 sold in 1 minute at 5 ref.

                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10617347 sold very quickly at 5.22.

                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10611143 sold at 5.33


                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10562227 two 5.11 offers

                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10600753 add at 5.33

                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10599467 willing buyer at 5.27

                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10360426 add at 5.33

                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10616258 sold all 4 at 5.33

                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10589188 add at 5.22

                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10616449 sold at 5.22

                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10531395 sold at 5.33

                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10616124 sold at 5.11. very quick

                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10443491 buying at 5.11 sell at 5.33. still have a lot of metal

                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10615984 sold at 5.33

                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10610134 adds at 5.22

                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10608992 sold one at 5.33

                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10576364 sold plenty at 5.22 not selling atm

                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10615450 sold all 3 at 5.33

                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10615418 out of stock at 5.33

                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10616580 sold out at 5.22

                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10530509 add at 5.22

                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10616783 sold out at 5.11

                                              Once again, you should not be able to immediately submit a suggestion for an item that you recently submitted a suggestion for. And just because you can doesn't mean you should.

                                                  big ole nope.avi

                                                    Just Bought 1 for 5ref

                                                      which is still in the range.

                                                        Still, it proves that it is easy to get one for 5 ref, which shouldn't be the low end.

                                                    Haven't you seen your refined value increase enough?

                                                      OMG!!! LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGG!!!! CAN U TAKE A BREAK AND STOP MAKING KEY SUGGESTIONS FOR A WHILE!

                                                        you shouldn't ask him for this, better ask Vincent to ban him again;)

                                                        also i think, ban hammer will come again anyway. Maybe from Chief Shoe this time?

                                                          Opinion Accepted by Distinctive Lack of Vincent and Chief Shoe 2 minutes ago.

                                                            That'd make sense since Chief literally said he hates Long.

                                                            Like it really matters.....the same thing was happening with TOD tickets and people blamed bptf for the sudden rise and expected them to continue going up. They were being updated with the same frequency as keys, and guess what they stabilized at 2 Ref. Eventually keys will stabilize, and it has nothing to do with backpack.tf.

                                                              I tried to make it less!

                                                              But it was hard work....

                                                                Tickets DO stabilize, but Long is making the keys' prices UNSTABILIZE because of his frequent suggestions. Of course we don't the website itself.

                                                                  My point is, the same thing was happening with TOD tickets and they stabalized. I.e. keys will stabilize as well. The key instability has nothing to do with Long, but rather the market.

                                                                    This is have to do with the submitter/s, because people check the prices everyday (especially keys), and greedy trader are practicing of gaining profit by buying keys at low end and selling keys at high end, and then submitting high end trades as "proof" to increase the keys' prices. And that is how the story began.


                                                                    And obviously, Long's goal is to increase the keys' prices until metal is nothing but trash, therefore we can't afford keys anymore because of him.

                                                                      Don't blame Long it was going to happen anyway. Backpack.tf might have sped it up a bit, but it was going to happen, and keys would eventually reach the same stability point.


                                                                      Also, p.s. long never actually sold keys for metal--only cash, so this wasn't really beneficial to him.

                                                                How's that helpful to this suggestion?

                                                              NEED. MORE. POPCORN!

                                                                Long will be raising the price of popcorn too.

                                                                  I like popcorn.

                                                                    People don't want you liking popcorn.

                                                                    LOGIC: You like keys, you rise the price of keys

                                                                    You like popcorn, you rise the price of popcorn

                                                                    NOW WE CAN'T AFFORD TO BUY POPCORN IN THE CINEMAS!!!! BOOO HOOO!!

                                                                      who buy popcorn in the cinema ?

                                                                      those shit are cut throat expensive

                                                                      ...unlike keys

                                                                        Because taunting people is the best way to improve your reputation.

                                                                          Not like Long can get his rep out of the abyss he's dug

                                                                    I laughed. Like seriously :D thanks

                                                                      Oh man, it's just starting but this made my day.

                                                                    "Well if you are too lazy to accept an conservative bump"

                                                                    Is a snide remark against the admins really an appropriate thing to have at the top of your suggestion?

                                                                      All is well as long as he sucks their dicks.

                                                                        If Long was truly "sucking the moderators dicks", then they would have already accepted his key price suggestion the two times he's tried to push 4.88-5.11 refined after the current price had been accepted.


                                                                        I understand your frustration and possible hatred for Long, but please do not resort to childish, "potty-mouth" remarks. I do not care whether it was sincere or a sarcastic attempt at humor.

                                                                          Good job setting yourself above the level of the ragers Baloo. To be honest you've always been my example of how to be a good suggestor. (I don't always succeed at it, but errare humane est)

                                                                      it's maybe not clever, but I did it too

                                                                      http://backpack.tf/vote/id/516bd4c5ba2536177900000d

                                                                      here, and the admin said he accepted the other suggestion because it was better than the previous price, not because it was good. (check comments). My suggestion WAS accepted. Not saying long's right here, he clearly isn't, but just saying that criticising the admins doesn't mean your suggestion hasn't a chance of passing. They seem to like (and they should) correct prices better than there own honour.

                                                                      Bro, we all know keys are 9999refined/each, so just stop making these sugestions, stop spamming this website, take a break and go meet your friends, k?

                                                                        i doubt if he really has any friends

                                                                          hahah

                                                                          you must love to lower key price. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10592197

                                                                            Yes. Everyone are selling at 5.33ref/ea. Got a few adds on that trade when i post'd it. Anyway.. Who said that I want keys to be 2.33ref? O.o I hate unusuals. Noone better unbox them anymore :3

                                                                              you're just as bad as you think long is.

                                                                          So let me get this straight, literally last night your recommendation closed when it was lower than this, so you IMMEDIATELY open another one just to mess with the prices? Get out of here.


                                                                          http://imgur.com/a/t71sl


                                                                          Dont upvote anything listed by long, the above link should tell you why. And to anyone who doesn't know this already, Long has been banned multiple times from making key suggestions because he purposely tries to crash the market.

                                                                            because sir jon don't want to accept suggestions that only serve the purpose of taking out a range without making it significant so I remake with a price range that reflect the price more accurately while also significant enough to have headaches about.

                                                                              So because the admin wont accept a price bump because you feel like it you go and make a higher one the next day out of spite.


                                                                              10/10 Great logic.

                                                                                he didn't accept it become the change was too small and necessarily. he rather just wait a few day and accept a big and accurate change.

                                                                              "Dont upvote anything listed by long"


                                                                              He is the best contributor here but nevermind.


                                                                              "the above link should tell you why"


                                                                              How about you take a closer look? Read some comments from keysuggestions, you'll see how biased everybody is when it comes to their beloved currencies.


                                                                              "And to anyone who doesn't know this already, Long has been banned multiple times from making key suggestions because he purposely tries to crash the market."


                                                                              He has been banned one time for a few weeks because he was extremely rude in one of his suggestions.


                                                                              Get your facts straight before you judge somebody.


                                                                              inb4 biased downvotes.

                                                                              I know my shit better than you.

                                                                                  "b4 biased downvotes.

                                                                                  I know my shit better than you."


                                                                                  An air of superiority and arrogance will definitely help get your point across.

                                                                                    I always get downvotes on my comments. No matter if I'm extremely objective or arrogant.


                                                                                    So yeah, I'll act arrogant. I don't really care about this anymore since it's always ending with my hidden comment.

                                                                                      Long has been more than once from backpack.tf, I believe you should get your facts straight. Anyways if you do not wish to be here, then do not be here, but do not come in with a cocky attitude and think you know everything then get pissed and moody for being called out.

                                                                                        He didn't make suggestions for a short time, but he was banned from keysuggestions only one time..


                                                                                        Btw. I didn't say that I do not wish to be here. I also don't know everything, but I know way more about keyprices than some biased kids who insult everybody.

                                                                                          He was banned from making any suggestions a while ago for using his salt to suggest buds to be .22-.44 refined. Therefore he could suggest on anything. He's been banned at least twice from backpack.tf, so again I ask you to get informed before acting like you already are.

                                                                                            Baloo, we are speaking about keysuggestions, not about the troll from long which was 4+ months ago.


                                                                                            At least I tried to talk about it.

                                                                                              Baloo is my hero.

                                                                                                Baloo is our hero.

                                                                                                  Baloo is my bear.

                                                                                        How's that helpful to this suggestion?


                                                                                        I don't care about WHO is making a suggestion, I care about THE PROOF that is shown.

                                                                                          Seriously, is all you do go around Long's trades and post

                                                                                          "How is that relevant/helpful to this suggestion?"


                                                                                          It's entirely relevant you dolt. The only reason that "proof" is there is because people are trying to get 1-2 extra scrap off a key so he bumps it ludicrously.

                                                                                            "The only reason that "proof" is there is because people are trying to get 1-2 extra scrap off a key so he bumps it ludicrously."


                                                                                            They also have a lot success.

                                                                                              1-2 extra scrap of a key X 642 keys = 96.33 Refined profit.

                                                                                                Long218 is still tradebanned...

                                                                                                  Not anymore, check his profile.

                                                                                                    He is tradebanned, it never appeared in his profile. Again, get your facts straight.

                                                                                                      HMM... He's had 642 keys in his backpack for more than a month now, and SourceOp has him banned... SourceOp has a policy banning people on the site if they are tradebanned by Valve.

                                                                                                look at my post.

                                                                                            This proof is irrelevant, these keys are all being sold and traded between the same people, all trying to make a "1 scrap profit" and basing their prices off here.

                                                                                              proof that it cant be bought for less than 5 or no sellers at less than 5 ref?

                                                                                                5-5.33 allows for sellers at 5-5.33 ref. Additionally, ive been buying keys for 5 ref for the past week and have bought a total of about 10, with only 1 or 2 coming from yesterday.

                                                                                                  your point?

                                                                                                    His point is simple: Buying with five refined per key, he has bought about ten in the past week out of the thousands (many more) of key sales in that time.

                                                                                                      so? doesnt mean it should go to 5-5.33 ref. 4.77 ref is still possible

                                                                                                        1 key a day isn't exactly possible. Also, most of those sellers who sell for less than 5 ref or newer traders who also accuse you of scamming if you offer less than what the spreadsheet/bp.tf says.

                                                                                                lol, claiming to know the "true" price. Stop being an arrogant [redacted].

                                                                                                  That goes both ways. I hear all these little kids saying 2.33-2.66 ref is the true price, but keys have no real true price.

                                                                                                    I'm aware it goes both ways. Under normal circumstances I would find both equally as annoying had Long not started this suggestion with an absurd reason. To claim that his conservative prices not being accepting gave him the right to suggest the "true" key price is just a completely misconstrued thought process.


                                                                                                    Please take no direct offense towards anything I have stated here since both of use I simply stating our own points of view that simply indirectly overlap.

                                                                                                  I hope admins won't consider trade profits as "proof" someday...

                                                                                                    Never though U'd see the day when keys would reach 5 ref middle price...

                                                                                                      5 as middle price is so 3 days ago.

                                                                                                      today price 5 is the lower range :P

                                                                                                        Correction, 4 days ago it was 4.94 as middle price. Do you even Math?

                                                                                                          im talking about my previous suggestion at 4.88-5.11

                                                                                                            Oh wow, 5 dislikes already...

                                                                                                              He should actually stop commenting and close this suggestion since he gets so many dislikes.

                                                                                                                Peasant, not that I don't love seeing you around, you're one of the nicest guys here, but didn't you quit this site? Fell back into your addiction? Not judging, just asking. Personally I'd love to get you back 24/7

                                                                                                                  She didn't quit the site she just took a vaca, I'm her cousin.

                                                                                                                    well, I made an error there than. Have fun out here, and don't ruin the great name PEASANT, it's one of the most respected out here.

                                                                                                          that is so 3 weeks ago.

                                                                                                          rehab changed me.

                                                                                                            you finished rehab in 3 weeks? send some celebrities there please, some of them are better when they're sober (some are better when they're not)

                                                                                                              Can't you wait a few days before making a new suggestion? Oh wait. You only want metal to be useless trash, you said that yourself.


                                                                                                              He should be banned from key suggestions, he has clearly shown he has been manipulating prices. WE EVEN HAVE PROOF.


                                                                                                              I some admins would have some sense... I guess not.

                                                                                                                If I were you, I'd go back to rehab for another month or two, until it truly works.

                                                                                                                Additionally, drugs and price voting comparisons.

                                                                                                                  Right, and the pope shits on the woods.

                                                                                                                Someday Keys are going to get so expensive that it is actually cheaper to buy from the Mann Co. Store

                                                                                                                  that is if metal stay at it current $.

                                                                                                                  if it change, that day will probly never come.

                                                                                                                    it's easier to buy for $ from the mannco. As long as people want to craft there will be a conversion from keys to metal. The exact rate is based solely off of people's desire to craft (Which is the demand for metal).

                                                                                                                    That's the point; Steam's market and defeating the Russians both serve this purpose.

                                                                                                                      I don't understand how that is possible? Wouldn't metal just get devalued until it became worthless?

                                                                                                                      Guys, seriously.

                                                                                                                      I dont like long, he has 600+ keys and spams this website.

                                                                                                                      But this shouldn't be the reason to insult him...


                                                                                                                      If you dont agree with the price, get some counterproof. Im searching for counterproof right now, and i hope im not alone ;)


                                                                                                                      So dont let yourself down on the level of Long, hatch or all other key suggestors. Just show some respect and bomb them with counterproof.


                                                                                                                      GIVE EM HELL BOYS!

                                                                                                                        inb4 bla bla bla he cant sell them bleh

                                                                                                                          I mostly agree with you (expect the Keys, he is tradebanned), but this sentence


                                                                                                                          "So dont let yourself down on the level of Long, hatch or all other key suggestors."


                                                                                                                          is extremely wrong. Unlike the biased voters, the suggesters for keyprices are not directly insulting anybody.

                                                                                                                            well, good point. You're right =)

                                                                                                                              >Unlike the biased voters, the suggesters for keyprices are not directly insulting anybody.

                                                                                                                              Unlike every single other post of yours.

                                                                                                                                Nope, I'm not calling anybody a retard n' stuff.


                                                                                                                                I'm only acting arrogant since most of you are ignorant.

                                                                                                                                  >I'm only acting arrogant since I'm full of myself

                                                                                                                                  ftfy

                                                                                                                            Now you are just spamming suggestions and if that doesnt get you banned, i think this site needs to get stricter to "top contributors" or top manipulators as i would like to call it.

                                                                                                                              different range.

                                                                                                                              so yea

                                                                                                                              not spamming.

                                                                                                                              just getting more accurate.

                                                                                                                                wow different range, it took you quite an effort to do that didnt it, lets be serious it does take you alot of effort to gather up proof, and all to get rejected in your face.

                                                                                                                                Calling me no. 2 manipulator? I feel sad D:

                                                                                                                                Long with key suggestions ->

                                                                                                                                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr9PpC1QOO8

                                                                                                                                  That was clever.

                                                                                                                                    How's that helpful to this suggestion?

                                                                                                                                      how is you spamming this comment 24/7 helpful for anything. At least he's raising our spirits in these deep times of economic depression, failing politics and growing troubles in the world. His comment is way better than yours. Neither contribute to the suggestion, but his makes people laugh. Are you one of those people who want all music, drama, art and such removed, just because "They're not helpful to society"?

                                                                                                                                        This is not the place to link youtube videos.

                                                                                                                                          How's that helpful to this suggestion?

                                                                                                                                            How is you asking how that's helpful to the suggestion helpful to the suggestion?

                                                                                                                                              What have I done... I'll stop as long as everyone else stops.

                                                                                                                                                how are you helpful to this suggestion

                                                                                                                                      Don't these suggestions just encourage people to start raising their prices anyway?


                                                                                                                                      Eh. I love the futility, it reminds me of political elections.

                                                                                                                                        I think this is the dead on accurate price and it has been for 2 weeks. People jump when I post keys at 5.22. Anyway... TF2WH is selling keys for 5 ref and scrap is buying keys at 5 ref.


                                                                                                                                        People need to start wondering why they need keys though. A key will get you what? A hat or a strange worth 1.33 when it cost you 5+ ref to get it? Why care about keys?

                                                                                                                                          Well seeing as hats continue to be crafted and thus dropping in value, eventually keys will just dwindle into irrelevancy, at least for the most part. Rare items and promos could still be traded in keys, but there will be no point for anything that's craftable.

                                                                                                                                            Nah idlers and game flippers need keys. One $2.50 key could buy you 4 hats normally valued in the shop at $5 each. Hats will always have a base price of 1.33 - 1.44 since there's the 2 hats = 1 hat or 3 ref = 1 hat method.

                                                                                                                                          unsold at 5.33:

                                                                                                                                          http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10547523

                                                                                                                                          http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9813293

                                                                                                                                          http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10509652

                                                                                                                                          http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10525983 (yes someone added him but the seller doesnt have any new metal, the buyer has no keys, no new ones)

                                                                                                                                          for 5.22:

                                                                                                                                          http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10533790


                                                                                                                                          dont want to search for counter proof cos i dont really care that much but here is some counter proof

                                                                                                                                            long you are my idol.


                                                                                                                                            Also that shitstorm is one of the most funny in all internetz.


                                                                                                                                            Also people stop to cry please.

                                                                                                                                              How's that helpful to this suggestion?

                                                                                                                                                i can say the same for your comment, and the most of all without proof in this discussion.

                                                                                                                                                  Is any of the discussion ever helpful to the suggestion?

                                                                                                                                                    It seems not.

                                                                                                                                                    People better should shut up.

                                                                                                                                                    Stop spamming, bro. I wouldn't be surprised if you got reported.

                                                                                                                                                  I feel like the only reason you make these so much is either:

                                                                                                                                                  - You like to watch the hate and such (trololo ecks dee funneh)

                                                                                                                                                  - You have nothing better to do

                                                                                                                                                  - (1% chance of this) You actually want to be accurate


                                                                                                                                                  I think it's one of the first two, looking at the past with these suggestions...

                                                                                                                                                    Oh for fuck sake Long218.

                                                                                                                                                    The first two suggestions were closed and now you go this high?

                                                                                                                                                    Come on!

                                                                                                                                                      Does this have any relevance to the suggestion?

                                                                                                                                                        Apart from me disagreeing to the price together with many others and that he keeps on rubbing this on our faces like it was barbed wire? Would'nt think so. At least i'm honest. Well, i say that he has already done two of these suggestions. And that he keeps on doing it.

                                                                                                                                                          Yes, it does.

                                                                                                                                                        People, stop complaining about the suggestor, his/her backpack, the reason why he is doing it, ... whether it's Long, Mattje, Hatch, or somebody else.


                                                                                                                                                        Take a look at the proof, then agree (and upvote) or, if not, post counterproof and downvote it. (or just downvote it).

                                                                                                                                                        There's no need to attack the person behind the suggestion (or others)... Most of you disagree with the current price, why don't you post counterproof then? In that way, other people can see this proof and upvote/downvote for themselves.

                                                                                                                                                        Now we have to search between all this stupid spam for any links, which is kinda stupid.

                                                                                                                                                        It is a fact that keys currently go up in refined. Believe me, I too want the key price go down.


                                                                                                                                                        I'm looking forward to the day that keys go down, backpack.tf users are civil, and can treat each other with MUTUAL RESPECT (= from both sides).

                                                                                                                                                          While I agree that this is really stupid... You do know the crowd you're talking to, right...?

                                                                                                                                                            i like your way of thinking and taste of music XD

                                                                                                                                                              it is not his. it is created by samhuddson.

                                                                                                                                                                still, its agood way of thinking and taste of music, doesnt matter if its him or samhuddson, i still like it

                                                                                                                                                            When I am selling a key for 5.11, there are 20 adds less then a minuite. And when I am selling a key for 5.22, about 5 adds less then 30 seconds. Dont know about 5.33 but still... Upvote!

                                                                                                                                                              Proof of failed buyers at 4.77 and 4.88? (Something to slow the inevitable rise of keys.)


                                                                                                                                                              EDIT: More of a request than anything, but please stop trying to raise your BP value for your own personal gain. You're robbing the TF2 public (including me) of what little wealth it has left.


                                                                                                                                                              FURTHER EDIT: In response to charging a cent per downvote, go ahead. I've got $100 sitting in a paypal account, I could do this all day.

                                                                                                                                                                I thought he was permatrade-banned.

                                                                                                                                                                  PermaTRADE, but not perma-suggest banned, yes.

                                                                                                                                                                    I think his point was that Long gets no benefit from these, as he is perma trade banned and cannot trade his keys for anything, making his bp value 0.

                                                                                                                                                                Ahh... So it's over 5 ref now. I was talking to you guys about this issue first when keys went over the 3 refined spot. Nobody listened. "YU DONT UNDRRSTAND ANITHING!!" was what I was getting.


                                                                                                                                                                It's the same as derivative markets and what the real world banks are doing. The keys are being manipulated higher by select few highrollers, who trade keys between each other, always rising the price with 1 or 2 scraps - using that to "prove" that there are "buyers" on the market. Let me remind you that they are only doing it for their self-gain. They are not stupid. In fact, they are very clever. They've pretty much found a way to increase the key refined value almost indefinitely with this system. The only thing you can do, is to outrun the market.


                                                                                                                                                                On the other hand, those of you who own unusuals, will soon see a nice spike in the "value" of your unusuals, because the price of a key is so ridiculously high, and going ever higher because of highroller manipulators, that nobody uses keys to unbox anymore, which will make existing unusuals (and stranges) more valuable. Genuines & Vintages will soon follow when people understand how rare items they've become and that you absolutely can not get them anymore. That depends how long will it take for them to understand what is happening. All that is craftable will go down, everything else up.


                                                                                                                                                                You didn't listen to me the first time I said this.

                                                                                                                                                                Maybe you listen now?


                                                                                                                                                                PS. Don't expect Long to answer this. He will continue to say the same mantra that a car salesperson would say to manipulate his victims into buying. The point is to say it over again so many times that the target is brainwashed into thinking that that is the truth. Has worked well so far, hasn't it.


                                                                                                                                                                Thank you for reading and have a nice day.

                                                                                                                                                                  tl;dr Long is dick who manipulates prices for fun.

                                                                                                                                                                    I am Asterian Starfall. He can not influence me. If he tries, all I have to do is cash out of the market, which shouldn't be too hard to do, because thanks to him, my bp is now worth < 3 keys (Down from 5 keys 1 month ago)

                                                                                                                                                                  upvoting, as always on key rise prices.


                                                                                                                                                                  dis shit is real!

                                                                                                                                                                    Make suggestion at 6 ref flat and take a break for 2 days. Stupid admins still accept it with -900 points.

                                                                                                                                                                      i sold 3 for 5.11 and got 5 adds in a minute.

                                                                                                                                                                      You other suggestions were right and should have been accepted but doing this out of spite is just silly

                                                                                                                                                                        3?!?! Damnit Admins. When i make 2 suggestions about the same thing 10000 people give me warnings to me about not spammimg suggestions. But this guy? ...just wow

                                                                                                                                                                        Personally, I think it's pretty stupid to ignore the point system when it comes to suggestions like this. Isn't the entire point of a bloody community driven spreadsheet to cater to the majority of the community? It's like holding a vote in a democratic society, having one side win by landslide and then saying:


                                                                                                                                                                        "Nah fuck it, 5% of peeps over there are right! We do need to legalize some law that only benefits the money grubbers!"


                                                                                                                                                                        My point being is, this is a COMMUNITITY SPREADSHEET, well it was until all sorts of prices went loopy.

                                                                                                                                                                        The majority wins in nearly every circumstance (barring completely outrageous suggestions like putting the key to 1 rec).

                                                                                                                                                                        That's why you should admins do, not to choose based on the evidence shown by one person but by what the populous think of the proof.


                                                                                                                                                                          Do you really believe the majority of the tf2 playerbase votes here?

                                                                                                                                                                          We've had a suggestion that was capped at 1000 votes. Outpost only has 340,394 users.

                                                                                                                                                                            "not to choose based on the evidence shown by one person but by what the populous think of the proof", that would be correct. Except, people don't vote based on the proof on key suggestions. People either downvote, because long is suggesting it, OR because they don't want the keys to go up. Even if there is legitimate proof. People will downvote just because the price isn't what they want. They are supposed to vote on their opinion of the proof, but that doesn't happen. No one bother's to prove that the suggested price is wrong, all you see on key suggestions are insults aimed at the mods, suggesters, and anyone who agree with them.

                                                                                                                                                                            your link 1 has a b/o of 5.22, 5.33 should not be in the range

                                                                                                                                                                              From now on i wont buy keys till the price dropps again.

                                                                                                                                                                              i mean srsly who would buy at this price?! and why do they get accepted?


                                                                                                                                                                                "i mean srsly who would buy at this price?!"


                                                                                                                                                                                A ton of people, look at the proof.


                                                                                                                                                                                "and why do they get accepted?"


                                                                                                                                                                                Because a lot of people are paying a specific price..?

                                                                                                                                                                                ...Wow. 4.77-5.11


                                                                                                                                                                                Suggests 5-5.33


                                                                                                                                                                                Yea......downvote. I still see a few trades on servers for 4.88. I see a few (very few) successful on 4.77. I buy any for less than 5 ref and those are taken fast. But point is

                                                                                                                                                                                  STOP RAISING THIS KEYS KIDDOS. DAM!


                                                                                                                                                                                  DOVN VOTE IT !

                                                                                                                                                                                    ...how the fuck is this useful, or relevant...

                                                                                                                                                                                      Right, because your comment down below calling people "butthurt fags" was totally relevant and useful, but look at you know: banned. Oh sweet karma, though art the best in the universe

                                                                                                                                                                                    The vicious cycle of keys

                                                                                                                                                                                    1- First the key price is defined

                                                                                                                                                                                    2- People sell them higher than that defined price (for profit)

                                                                                                                                                                                    3- That trades are used in proof that keys should be higher

                                                                                                                                                                                    4- The defined price is higher

                                                                                                                                                                                    Repeat 2 to 4

                                                                                                                                                                                      You're implying this wouldn't happen if it wasn't for Long/Bp.tf and key suggestions. When in fact it would. People blamed bp.tf for inflating the price of TOD tickets with constant suggestions (just like keys), and at one point they were claiming every single day. Guess what, TODs reached their max point fell down a bit in price, and then stabilized. So even with constant suggestions upping the price it eventually stabilized, just like keys will. Just be patient.

                                                                                                                                                                                        It was just a joke based on some YouTube videos


                                                                                                                                                                                        I know that the key price is like this because a mix of factors, not only because one site and one person want it to be like this.

                                                                                                                                                                                          What do TOD tickets get you? Unusuals? NOPE. I believe TOD tickets are a bad example. One could argue they are just in demand as keys, while some could argue they are not. TOD tickets arguably go up when there are new botkillers.


                                                                                                                                                                                          I can see them falling once that fad has passed as they kind of should. The same cant be said about unboxing though. Personally, (IMO), they are not on the same level of demand as keys, buds, bills, etc (currency).


                                                                                                                                                                                          Because they are on different levels of demand, there is nothing stopping people from raising the price of keys. Where as the diminished demand for TOD tickets, arguably, stopped that.


                                                                                                                                                                                          I do agree, even if Long wasn't around, this would continue because someone else would make the suggestion. Once the ball started rolling, it ain't gonna stop!


                                                                                                                                                                                        Personally this is a splendid range i have managed to sell 5 at 5,33 ref in a relatively short time and also i cant find anyone going lower than 5 not even if i try hard

                                                                                                                                                                                          I trade ALL the time. I usually buy and sell currency too. Like Bills, Buds, Keys, and Metal. I'd have to say from being in the field that Keys have been a SOLID 5 Refined for WAY more than a week. Check out my old thread from a few days ago. Shoot, Even I was paying 5 Refined for Keys because that's just the way it is now. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10427946 . But now as far as this current suggestion goes, KNOCK IT THE HELL OFF. Long218, We Do Not Need You To Be Spiteful And Make Another Key Suggestion That Is Incorrect. WE ALL KNOW that Sir J-J-J-Jon who closed your previous Key suggestion was wrong and didn't have the facts straight. Because if he did, if he BOTHERED to LOOK at http://tf2finance.com/keys/ he would see that he was of course wrong. We don't need a rebel Moderator, we need just a pious Gatekeeper who is Unbiased to accept suggestions. I mean, having 4.77 in the current spread is just ludicrous. http://tf2finance.com/keys/ just KILLS that thought entirely. So Long218, just stop it. Moderators, Please live in the real world when accepting or denying price suggestions. Keys are freaking 5 Refined and have been for awhile so pull up your big-girl panties and get used to it. Spread should be the 4.88-5.11 that Long218 ORIGINALLY suggested and not this Spiteful new suggestion of 5-5.33. Sorry Long218, Keys don't start at 5 Refined, they are 5 Refined. Also, I don't care if the Mod's want to keep some sort of 3 scrap range because, dun dun dun, it's just totally wrong. Sorry, that seems like an arbitrary decision and not a true reflection of what is going on with trading this item. Please keep your arbitrary decisions to yourself. They have no business associating with the duties of the Moderator. If you think that it does, I invite that Moderator to step down as they are clearly performing in an incapacitated manner since they are letting opinions and not facts dictate their acceptance or denial in all this. BTW where the heck is Brad Pitt? Hey Brad! Please show up sometimes and moderate your Moderators. This current Key suggestion should have never existed in the first place. The last one of 4.88-5.11 should have been accepted because, dun dun dun.... It's correct. See = http://tf2finance.com/keys/ :)

                                                                                                                                                                                            I love how I got a -1 for telling a story which does not support this current price suggestion, but supports the last one which is of course a lower value. I wonder off-hand if it's Long or a Mod that gave me the negatives. :)

                                                                                                                                                                                            i have a feeling this suggestion is going to get closed, mods calling 5.33 outliers and ~5 ref being average right now on tf2 finance, i feel keys are close to the stability point. Goodbye long, mattje and hatch we wont be needing you guys anymore :D

                                                                                                                                                                                                Wow! I never knew he said such a thing. WAY out of line. :/

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yeah, it's legit. I saw that here myself.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yet he's allowed to make suggestions.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    He has been banned for this statement.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Get. Fucking. Wrecked.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Hey, both of my key suggestions were closed, lets make another with a higher price!


                                                                                                                                                                                                  Im actually happy with the mods this time, closing his suggestions is all we really need.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Long,No one wants you to keep doing these Keys price suggestion...

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Long , thanks for destroying the economy . I am sure that the next week you will make a price suggestion of 6.66-7 refs and you will keep saying that it's only 1 scrap more 1 scrap more till it becomes 4 ref more ..

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Everyone says you should stop these suggestions . Y U NO STOP !?

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Oh god, the cancerous tumor the site has just won't go away. I don't care if you're "dedicated to accurate prices", but if Vincent is practically leaving himself out of the situation, Redwall was the one who closed down your previous suggestion, and Chief Shoe and cleverpun have pretty much showed that they don't care about you any more, it's time to stop making suggestions on prices. You are accomplishing nothing here, Long... Your permanently tradebanned by Valve, and you're main account has been banned on Outpost and SourceOp due to the carded key incident. You have 642 keys on your account that can never be traded, so trying to increase your backpack by $20 for the shits and giggles just feels... petty.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Your attitude makes the whole situation even more exaggerated.You ALWAYS have to have the last word, you ALWAYS have the mentality that you are right and everyone else is wrong, and when things don't go your way, you say something extremely stupid that warrants a warning. It's hard to not associate the suggestion with the person suggestion with someone that has had a volatile history like his.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          "You ALWAYS have to have the last word, you ALWAYS have the mentality that you are right and everyone else is wrong"


                                                                                                                                                                                                          That sounds exactly like you.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            You're taking this a LITTLE BIT too seriously... just like when you were venting about the uncraftable Ap-Sap in the forums. Some advice I have is either playing Left 4 Dead 2 or firing up the Ravenholm level on Half Life 2. I find that chucking saw blades and explosive barrels at zombies makes me feel better.


                                                                                                                                                                                                              "You're taking this a LITTLE BIT too seriously..."


                                                                                                                                                                                                              Hypocrite much?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Take a chill pill. I'm acknowledging the warning. Now, I am disengaging myself from the situation. There is more to life than these forums, and name calling accomplishes nothing. Just find a game to play that you like, try and find your favorite level in the game, and relax.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I've been gaming this entire time. I only take breaks to look at comments on here. You would know that if you bothered to check my profile.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Now, your condescending attitude is what annoys me. You insult most users for having no life, or caring too much about "a bunch of pixels in a game." And then the next minute you type out long paragraphs about why keys shouldn't be so high or something similar. Get over yourself. I'm tired of having to scroll past your worthless comments.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    "Hypocrite much?"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ill leave it at that...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    *strolls out casually while whistling a fancy tune*

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Please refrain from insulting others. I will give you a warning this time, but if this continues, then I will have to give you a ban.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Thank goodness.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            >Everyone closes his suggestions

                                                                                                                                                                                                            >Goes on outpost for few hours like a no life and finds 100 key trades

                                                                                                                                                                                                            >Next day he comes back with next suggestion which will be closed too

                                                                                                                                                                                                            You have to have an amazing and interesting life !

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Joke, leave this site and find something important in your life instead of getting more and more hate. Don't embarrass yourself anymore, I'm serious it's sad to watch :/

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I find it much more sad that the fact that there are so many people raging over the fact that they can't afford a virtual item. Honestly, Long is probly having a ton of fun, watching people rage over keys going up. It's quite funny actually, when you think about it. All these people can do is just rage at a single person over the internet who for all we know could be an 80 year old dying man, just wanting to watch the world tf2 economy burn.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              And BTW

                                                                                                                                                                                                              "Well if you are too lazy to accept an conservative bump up let me show you the true price bump then"

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Such a great way to start a suggestion, talking sh** about mods xD They will just love it. You are great with people. Ban from keys suggestions, plz?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Admins. Look at this guy.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Now turn to his steamrep.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Now turn back to this suggestion.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Now turn to this picture; http://i.imgur.com/MI9HryY.jpg


                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Now DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    why talking about nothing instead to post counterproof?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Why do you not have a goddamn brain to even comprehend what i'm talking about?


                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Long is marked on Steamrep, he has been proven to be a douchebag, he has said himself he is only raising the price of keys to ward out poor people, and all you can say is "hurr durr gib prof pls"


                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I already gave all of the proof i need you idiot.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. Caution, not marked.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. He may be a douchebag in your eyes. Understandable in your biased POV.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        3. This was sarcasm, but most people didn't get it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          He is not able to trade keys.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Look at the imgur picture linked in my VERY FIRST POST up there.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Dude, I know more than you, I watched every single keysuggestion. I read all comments, I know what I'm speaking about.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          lool yeah im an idiot just for requesting a proof of lowvalue for keys..

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          go home kids and dont cry please

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            He said that because of people like you.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm poor, and I don't really care what he says, because I'm not addicted to buying virtual items. I care about FACTS and PROOF.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                            You don't contribute to this suggestion in any way. That link is up for weeks.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Oh shut up, i don't care if i didn't contribute shit, i don't need to. Voting doesn't matter anyway, according to this admin; http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/7430/backpacktf.png

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Plus, YOU aren't contributing anything either by spamming all of these "lol u don contribut anyting lol" comments

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  DemoPan's an admin?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                It doesn't matter if he's raising the prices to ruin the market. He has proof of the fact that price is rising, where as you have no counterproof.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              OMG, this is all longs work? http://puu.sh/2OaUz.jpg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  long218 pls go

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    And the question remains - Why the fuck did mods unban Long from suggesting key prices if he always acts so immature in them?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Well, i'd prefer places other than tf2outpost b.c EVERYONE, and i mean EVERYONE sells things for .33-.66 ref higher than what they're worth. and since people want them, they have no choice but to buy it from them. Downvote on the terms that tf2outpost is a shitty source to pick from b.c everyone copies eachothers prices and then eventually prices skyrocket to the moon

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      as much as i agree with you, things just arent that simple.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      nah.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "If I see another key suggestion in the next 24 hours, I'm gonna cry... I'm already tearing up right now ;~;


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      6 hours... http://puu.sh/26W3v.png


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      This is probably the last thing I'm gonna post in key suggestions... From here on out, I just stay away and watch the arguments

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        We all know that the site its corrupted... then why not all of you stop using this website? Im just sayin'.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          If this site is so corrupt, why are you even here? Just sayin'.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            You need much more time in rehab, Long. Maybe then you'll gain a sense of rationality.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              KEYS 12 REF NEXT YEAR XD

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    because apparently occupy wallstreet work.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      i dont know about occupy bp.tf but im about to occupy me some little caesers.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Please refrain from spamming, thanks.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Stop. Making. Another. Suggestion. If. Your. Last. One. Didn't. Work. Out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Downvote. There is very little proof to justify the removal of the lower end.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            if all keys at 5 go instantaniously why should 4.88 even be in range.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            and 5 ref buyers list is humongous .

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              If all keys go at 5 then why should 5.33 be in the range?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Because there are still people that are willing to buy at 5.33.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Likewise, there are still people willing to sell at 4.88.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                you didn't understand me correct

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I say all keys at 5 which mean the keys that sellers are willing to sell for 5 go instantly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Other sellers want to go higher and still succeed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm really curious -- why continue to post key suggestions even though you're trade banned?


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Some people just want to see the world burn. You, apparently, have a fetish for it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              So he's trade banned yet they actually listen to his suggestions? That's like an ex-con working for the stock markets and banks, bad news.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Seems legit since he has about 650..

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                He's tradebanned.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  HE CANT TRADE THE KEYS

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  How many times does it need to be said?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  You have no life, you have 642 Keys and the only thing you are doing is trying to increase your backpack's price. Also a private backpack (unreported scammer?)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  first of all :


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7bjghHOuV1r2uu27o1_500.gif


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  what is happening when someone makes a suggestion to rise the key price in refined :


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_meohlzzw4A1rw8yv7.gif

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    why is Long still allowed to post suggestions?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Hmmm...we should disable comments in key suggestions.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Nah, it's too funny.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            But them we can't post counter-proof.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ...Then again, that wouldn't matter considering the mods almost never listen to the counter-proof.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Just phatic are you really so obsessed about your bp rising that you keep making a fool out of your self when ever your suggs gets shoots down by posting a worse new one

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              stop           

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                FOR FUCKS SAKE ADMINS, GET LONG THE HELL OFF BACKPACK.TF

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  scrap.tf now buys 5.00, sells 5.22.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I don't know if this can influence the market, so if I am wrong, please don't hate me. Everyone can sell their keys at 5 ref, so few people is going to sell lower than that. And others trade at 5.22, and sell them at 5.33 for profit. I am not saying that scrap.tf is the reason of the rise of keys, but maybe they are part of the mix of factors...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Hey look it's long218 again. What a surprise.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      long218 is the perfect example of YOLO

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Everybody bloody hates you.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        -Demoman

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Don't worry, I still like you long.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          What really bothers me about these increases is that no one will sell them for the high price.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          That being said, now even if this doesnt pass, the high price of what people will sell for will still go up.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I stopped trading keys when this site went berserk.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I now only come here to get a estimate on unusuals because the key market is fucked.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The admins here are hella retarded. I say this not caring what is said back. It is the truest thing ever said here.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Corruption , corruption everywhere.....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                "Owns: 642"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Apparently you and a bunch of other people assume that the rest of us can't read. Thanks for your clarification!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    How original. No one's noticed that yet D: Anyways, apparently he's trade banned. So he can't do shit with those.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Big Jump for keys on your price suggestion. Imo, I do believe that Hatchet Rawer Beryl has a better range and less of a jump.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      mod declined my small jump because they think it is insignificant so here I am.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I was selling keys for 5.33 ref each 1 week ago. but it was really hard to sell them

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      so I did price down 5.22 ref each. and sold in 10 min.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      So I won't accept this suggestion.. keys price is not 5.33 ref :(

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        " 1 week ago"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        your problem right there.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        "You. Are. A. Bloody. Disgrace ." -Sniper

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Everything supporting lowering keys- gets liked.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Everything supporting raising keys- gets disliked.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Everything else- gets disliked.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          This is true and your know it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            But who cares about likes or dislikes?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I suggest that key suggestions should be suggested only when the actual price of buyers changes greatly, i.e. when it really moves up OUT of the current range. If these key suggestions continue to increase the range whilst still containing the old range, there will be more anti-monopolistic/high-roller sentiments. If there are still a majority of buyers and sellers in the current range, the key price should not be changed because it does not reflect a significant majority of the market. Furthermore, the scatterplots at this price level are all clustered around the median price. Why should keys be increased if the current range still includes a vast majority of the market? Bp.tf AFAIK is reputed to reflect the market, not to project and draw up that market as if it were a painting!


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ♥♥ Gabe loves you long time ♥♥


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                You've made that joke before.....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  # of keys sold>how fast they sell

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Well then, ~50 (I dont feel like counting) vs 100+, therefore the price should go up.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      possible at lower. do i have to keep repeating myself?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    that all you can find ? because my proof is still way more than your.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Let me ask you a question, if your other suggestions failed with 4.88 at the low end, how do you expect this one to pass?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Just to help, I sold 8 at 5.33 Ref in 10 mins after posting :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Burn the witch and close this sugestion


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sglyFwTjfDU

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        http://i.imgur.com/MI9HryY.jpg admins pls don ban my main account for "use of homophobic slur"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          mind pointing out the homophobic slur in that picture ?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I wonder what would happen if the proofs shown are just all accounts or other admins trading them to lower the price of ref? Food for thought

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Plus, I wonder how long it would take for people in the Europe to not only duplicate other unusuals but keys and spread them on the market?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Making the price of keys goes up will also make some hats more valuable e.g Buckturner all stars, and hats less valuable like fast learner, which would only be worth one key, its too high i think leave it, everyone knows that you overprice on outpost dont take it literally

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The fast learner is not a hat. Just to say.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I've seen bidding wars go no higher than 5 ref, also , owns 642

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            You obviously are only thinking about yourself

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Most trade bans are temporary no?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Plus I think he could still sell them on market no?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Plus, who is stopping him from selling his entire account?


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "I've seen bidding wars go no higher than 5 ref, also , owns 642"


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              > Proof it + the amount of Keys still doesn't matter.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "You obviously are only thinking about yourself"


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              > Long is banned from trading and outpost. He was never a "big" Key-Ref trader.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "Most trade bans are temporary no?"


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              > Most, doesn't mean that every ban is temporary. He traded for carded Keys.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "Plus I think he could still sell them on market no?"


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              > How does that matter?


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "Plus, who is stopping him from selling his entire account?"


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              > Why would somebody buy his account?


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Please get your facts straight before you join the discussion.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              If Key Prices goes up to this, I'll rage and murder this guy


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Pay attention what your saying. IDK in what country you live but such a sentence is enough to start investigations by the authorities against you

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I hope, one day backpack.tf implements a new system to determine the price of keys. I'm getting tired of all suggestions going upwards recieving loads of negative votes and all suggestions going downwards receiving hundreds of positive votes.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I'd also like to see them go down honestly but ok.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I know what I'm saying. I can get serious.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Oh my god, please, stop increase key price.. 5.33... omg omg omg, and still up... what next? "Key - 7 ref each!" in june?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      wtf...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I swear to god long218 spends his whole time on backpack.tf creating new key suggestions everyday. Like literally...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            When this bubble finally pops, I don't want to be anywhere near it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Long, I give up on you...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                For the last fucking time bp.tf i buy keys at 4.66 often enough recently, people trade other places than outpost

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  There are no Keys in your BP.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    link or gtfo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    We all have the need to make profit. For this to happen we need inflation, which we have in metal, and thusly keys. But we do not have enough income of metal, and the value of metal is too high for such inflation in the value of keys.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Metal is still a highly usable item, so the value cannot be diminished as quickly as it is being. At this point, any newbie can buy 10 dollars worth of keys in the Mann Co. Market and deck themselves out in gear, and the value of everything not craftable with be nothing but a pile of the newest little-worth crates.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Inflation is fine, but the currency is on a set of 9s, which will not allow for a small enough percentage in growth. Call me dumb, unoriginal, biased, or whatever you want, but explain yourself and don't !#@$%&^*.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      lol this people they are just trying to make profit lol

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      cant u see how many keys they have?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        if this suggestion get's accepted, the guy earns 51.36 USD

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          inb4, can't trade

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        A year ago I bought TWO keys at this price ... :'(

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Oh, ol' time :D

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          People were saying that the price would become stable around 5 ref. But then again, same was said around 4 ref. Yet, the price goes higher, and higher, and higher. Why? Mostly, these kinds of suggestions. Tons of people use this site to determine what they should price their items at, in fact, I use this site to help value many items, but I often cross reference the price to another site. This place used to be the best place to get a price, but now people use it like the trading price Bible, and many just place and extra scrap or two on the current price of something. Then, the suggester sees that the price has "gone up" because people are selling high to make a profit. Thus, on items like keys, the price gets inflated to an extreme. Even FRYING PANS DOUBLED in price when crate 50 came out! That is nuts! A lot of people were trying to make some extra metal on the hype, and backpack.tf helped to feed to hype machine. The same happens in reverse order with buyers, and that is why Buds when from 28 keys to 21 in a matter of weeks. This is getting out of hand. I am no longer trading with keys until the butt cheese storm blows over. If you agree or disagree, I don't particularly care, just giving my 2 cents.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          (Butt cheese used to prevent warning from admins.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The price of keys should go higher cuz keys are very worthy and they shouldnt be easy to trade for

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'll just leave this here http://i.imgur.com/MI9HryY.jpg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              HideYoKeys! HideYoMetals!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I quit trading when the key vote for 4 ref passed with overwhelming negative votes. This site is corrupt and the trading scene is deader than dead. 5 ref now? Haha you've got to be kidding me. Dota 2 > TF2 trading any day of the week. Good luck have fun!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Backpack.tf isn't corrupt, the admins just don't accept biased votes.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Most of the downvotes on keysuggestions are biased. If you don't trust me, check the comments from previous suggestions.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  But is fk LOL you have like 400keys you wuont to make a + on your bp and you like to rise a key price then you will sell it for more then the price you ofer here and couple days you dont even care about the price becaus you just makeed a big + of metal in you bp LOL


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Sry for bad writing ;D