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Excuse me, but WTF was that. 80+ trades 4.77 and under, and the mod STILL accepts the Hatch's suggestion?

BRAND NEW PROOF UNDER A DAY:

AT TIME OF POSTING:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10404724 4.66, 23 min ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10400907 4.66 3 hours ago

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198036958911 4.66 and 4.77, add and ask him

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10399837 4 hours ago, 4.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10398547 8 for 4.66 each, 5 hours ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10397050 4 @4.77 6 hours ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10396691 8 @ 4.77 6 hours ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10395774 6 for 4.77 each, 6 hours ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10394085 4.66, 8 hours ago

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198044571077 selling for 4.77, add and ask

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10392659 selling for 4.77, 9 hours old

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10393697 4.77, 8 hours old

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10388801 4.77, 11 hours old (hey naknak)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10388447 4.77, 11 hours old (hey naknak)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10387900 5 keys 4.77, 12 hours old

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10387683 4.66, 12 hours ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10386487 8 @ 4.66, 12 hours ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10386092 4.66, 13 hours ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10383791 2 @ 4.77 each, 14 hours ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10382850 4,66, 15 hours ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10380199 4.66, 17 hours ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10376936 4.66 20 hours ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10376398 4.77, 20 hours ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10376109 3 for 4.77, 21 hours ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10375742, 4.66 21 hours ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10375490 4.77 22 hours ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10374842 4.77 23 hours ago


In finding these, I saw many under 4.66. If you feel like I should post them, tell me. I didn't think it was neccessary. For some older proof, visit my previous suggestion. It doesnt matter how QUICKLY keys sell, it matter how MANY are sold. As for my other suggestion, I had like 2 admins, Long, and 2 important people agree with me (Simon and Hugh). Cleverpun said she accepted naknak's suggestion because of the high end, not the low, but with something as important as keys shouldn't everything be accurate? Yes, I know 5 ref is very possible, which is why it is in the range. 4.66 trades are meant to be used as proof for the other suggestion. Both TF2 Hats Ezeon and Hatch gave up their arguments against me, yet, for some reason, Hatch's suggestion got past.


Successful Buyers @4.77/4.66:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10340325 1 post, but claims to have bought 12. add and ask him

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10390344 bought 2+ at 4.77

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10196078 bought 2 for 4.66 yesterday, 1 for 4.66 yesterday

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10371157 bought one for 4.77 (added and asked)


Yes, not many successful buyers, but plenty of sellers IN 1 DAY (total of 27 today) . Again, refer to my other suggestion for MUCH more proof. Accept either this one or the other suggestion for 4.66-5. I really don't care which.


Oh and this is for you Lithium:

SELLERS WILLING TO SELL FOR CURRENT/UNDER PRICE/ from the past week:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10324985 4.77 Currently no metal, does have keys.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10324688 10 @ 4.66 Seems legit

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10322798 4.66 Seems legit

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10322198 4.66 Seems legit

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10322266 4.66 Seems legit (Probably a quick sell, judging by the wording)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10320083 4.66 Seems legit

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10319571 4.66 Seems legit

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10319211 2 @ 4.66 No metal, no keys, spent on hats most likely

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10313102 2 @ 4.66 Legit

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10312606 2 @ 4.66 Has moved prices up since www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10354144

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10310577 4.66 Legit

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10309034 4.66 Legit

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10308055 4.66 No ref, does have keys, used all

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10306659 4.66 No metal, NO keys, judging by his bp, probably bought some high tier stuff

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10306426 4.55 Legit

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10307479 4.33 Might have been a test, looking at post - how is this a test, he just wants metal

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10305824 4.33 Seems like a protest trade

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10305503 8 @ 4.66 Legit

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10305433 @ 4 Legit

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10305430 2 @ 4.33 LEgit

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10305400 4.66 Quicksell

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10303669 @ 4 Protest

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10303348 4.66 Bumped up selling price http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10346885

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10303039 4.66 No metal, no keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10367053 4.66 Legit

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10366854 20 @4 ref each two ref, no keys (were did the 80 ref go?)- has many high tier stranges, probably used on those

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10365810 4 ref Legit

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10350128 4 ref No ref, a few keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10350102 4.66 No ref, no keys

To the trades with no ref, either spent all or spent the keys/ref on items.

To the protest trades- so? still sold.

Total: 4 werent right

    has it every occured to you that not everyone hoards their metal/keys and uses them on items they actually enjoy?

      I know bro, thats why i didn't mention it at the end little paragraph that the metal wasn't there. Also, generally quick sell trades are frowned upon as proof, the mods have said this many times before. 90% of these were quick sell trades. If you include 5.11 in your range, both of witch happen just as often as your 4.66 trades http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10400392, http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10286723, and http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10385015 (all of witch are on the first page if you serch for selling key buying ref, scrap) i would upvote

        So quick sells are not allowed OK, why are quick buys allowed then?

          5.11 is not a quick buy price though, that would be 5.33+. Those also get sales, but much much slower.

            anything below 4.66 was quicksell yes, but still many at 4.66/4.77

              How do you compensate for the 5.11 trades? There are many happening everyday, Arguably more than at 4.77. Shouldn't they be added to the range?

                yes, the majority happens at 4.88-5, but there are still enough trades at 4.66/4.77 that it should be added to the range

                and im not really sure why i posted the 4 ref trades lol probably cause i wanted to show people weren't greedy *******

                  well i sure as hell dont to see 5.11 added to the range so i sure as hell am not going to make one. but yes, in the near future, 5.11 will get added

                    would you say that the majority of the trades happen at 4.88-5 while less than 20% occur at 4.66,4.777 and 5.11?

                      because i cant coment on your other coment, shouldnt you add 5.11 also then?

                        no because someone else can do it, i sure as hell am NOT going to be a responsible for keys going up

                          Truely, anything below 5.11 gets ninja'd

                          look at my other comment for proofs

              Yup, after the 4.88-5 ref suggestion has been accepted, it is obvious that some mods are manipulating key prices. Thanks for tearing the economy apart, dipshits.

              i see ppl buy for 4.66 in trade severs all the time, must be only outpost high balls selling higher, anyways upvote.

                yes, please post screenshots, be very helpful

                  if i see ppl before this ends i will take some screen shots.

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10371991 4.33

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10369389 4

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10369174 4.66

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10368662 4.77

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10367577 4.66

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10367563 4.77

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10367320 4.77

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10367283 4.77

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10367577 4.66

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10375742 (4.66)

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10374931 (4.22)

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10372955 (4.66)

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10371991 (4.33)

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10369389 (4)

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10388447 sold 3 for 4.77

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10387900 1 hour ago, sold 5 for 4.77

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10387683 sold for 4.66

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10387341 8 keys for 4 ref

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10386487 8 keys for 4.66

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10386092 1 key for 4.66

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10375490 selling for 4.77

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10224409 bought one for 4.77

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10332320 sold for 4.66

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10283418 bought one for 4.66

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8424607 bought a ton for 4.77

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10149331 last week, bought 5 4.66 each

                http://puu.sh/2H7Hb.png 4.77

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10342993 4.77

                http://puu.sh/2H7I1.png 4.33

                http://puu.sh/2H7KL.png 4.66

                http://puu.sh/2H7M6.png hood+2.66(4.33-4.66)

                and these are from 2-4 days ago when I was on the hunt for keys

                http://puu.sh/2FYd8.png 4.66

                http://puu.sh/2FYe8.png 4.77

                http://puu.sh/2FYeU.png 4.77

                http://puu.sh/2FYgo.png 4.66

                http://puu.sh/2FYh2.png 4.66

                http://puu.sh/2FYi0.png 4.66

                http://puu.sh/2FYim.png 4.66

                http://puu.sh/2FYiE.png 4.66


                and don't forget

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10324985 4.77

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10324688 10 @ 4.66

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10322798 4.66

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10322198 4.66

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10322266 4.66

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10320083 4.66

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10319571 4.66

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10319211 2 @ 4.66

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10313102 2 @ 4.66

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10312606 2 @ 4.66

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10309034 4.66

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10308055 4.66

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10306659 4.66

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10306426 4.55

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10307479 4.33

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10305824 4.33

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10305503 8 @ 4.66

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10305433 @ 4

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10305430 2 @ 4.33

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10305400 4.66

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10303669 @ 4

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10303348 4.66

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10303039 4.66

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10302421 4.66

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10396504 4.77

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10395774 6 keys 4.77

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10395184 4 ref (hey naknak its you)

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10394085 4.66 (its naknak again)

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10393697 4.77 (you again)

                http://backpack.tf/classifieds/id/76561198011302297 selling 2 for 4.66 already sold, but add him and ask him. name: Leech5

                http://backpack.tf/classifieds/id/76561198044400039 4.66, add and ask him

                name: Mr. Mancala

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10392659 4.77


                I just pasted this from the my closed suggestion. There are repeats, please help me point them out.

                I saw the suggestion of 4.88-5 ref got accepted "dafuq is this shit?!?"

                anyways let's hope this one doesn't get closed for "quick sell"

                  actually 5 ref is a quicksell

                    im sorry wut lol

                      try it yourself, best proof is personal experience, huh?

                        quicksell= way below the market price. 4 ref=quicksell. 4.66/4.77 ref= tons of people sell for this price, so therefore its not a quicksell

                          Doesn't quicksell=price at which an item sells extremely quickly?

                            kind of, a quicksell is an item that sells quickly below the market value. i think everyone here can agree that all those trades at 4.66/4.77 should be included in the range, since there are so many of them and generally there are only a couple quicksells. for example, if an item was worth 4-4.5 keys and 3 people out of say, 80 were selling for 3.5 keys, that would be a quicksell. but with this suggestion, there are around 70+ trades going at 4.66/4.77.

                  1. Someone sees price at Backpack.tf at 4.66 ref and sells his Key on Outpost.

                  2. Outpost sellers buy them all at 4.66 ref

                  3. Outpost sellers post trades of 4.77 ref and successfully sell all

                  4. Backpack.tf records it as evidence and raises suggested price to 4.77 ref

                  5. Outpost sellers tries to sell at 4.88 AND Someone sees price at Backpack.tf at 4.77 ref and sells his Key.

                  8. Outpost sellers buy all available ones at 4.77 ref

                  9. Outpost sellers post trades of 4.88 ref and successfully sell all

                  10. Backpack.tf records it as evidence and raises suggested price to 5 ref

                  11. Outpost sellers sell at 5.11 ref

                  12. Rinse and Repeat


                  Admins And players does not understand this...

                    it's more like raising a rec at a time instead of a scrap now-a-days but I got what you meen been like that since...hmmm 7 months ago xD if they don't realise by now it must seem like an unknown languege

                      indeed, why are u people so dense?

                        Stop copying and pasting this everywhere.


                        Your theory works, but you're ignoring how 5 ref + trades have been getting sold for the past few weeks already while backpack just accepted a 5refs range recently.

                          and guess what? if someone wants to make a key suggestion for making keys higher, go ahead. but its possible possible possible to get keys for 4.66/4.77

                            I dont think keys should be that high either, but it starts to get annoying when you scroll down and you see the same post everywhere being copy and pasted on every suggestion.


                            There was a guy awhile ago who kept pasting "proof" with troll trades selling for keys 2 refs and pasted that everywhereeeee. Was it valid proof? no, does it prove a point? maybe, but it annoys people when they see the same thing over and over and over again.

                              and how many people were selling keys for 2 ref? how many people are selling for 4.66/4.77? i keep posting it on key suggestions because THEY ARE WRONG YET THEY KEEP GETTING ACCEPTED

                                Im not saying you're wrong =___=


                                I was referring to that guy a few posts above who has copied and pasted that "theory" in quite a few key suggestions... which has now become more of an annoying spam than anything


                                Similar to the posters who are always "downvote this suggestion!!! #savethebuds" and start spamming that everywhereeeee

                                  hmm....although what he says it true

                          We all understand it. Theres just nothing we can really do about it on our own, unless we're going to launch an all out war, hacking into the accounts of all key sellers over the current price, deleting all their keys, making sure nobody will ever sell higher ever again. I don't endorse that of course, thats illegal.

                            i like how the source you copy/pasted from (http://tf2finance.com/2013_03/) goes on in the very next paragraph to refute that argument, yet you still use it. perhaps you got bored, or distracted by a shiny object when it got to that part? i'll cntrl-v the relevant part of the article so you don't have to work too hard at finding it:

                            There is a major flaw at step 5. Why would the majority of people buy at 2.88 if there are people selling at 2.77, AND people think that 2.77 should be the "true price" that shall be reported?


                            Assume there no one who buys at 2.88 when 2.77 is available in one simplified case. Let’s say 5 sellers at 2.88 and 5 sellers at 2.77.


                            Quantity demand at 2.88 includes those demanded at 2.77. If 2.88 doesn’t sell now that means Quantity supplied = (5+5) = 10 but Quantity demanded = 5.


                            Now, the resellers buy the 5 Keys at 2.77 and resells at 2.88. Quantity Supplied at 2.88 is still (5+5) = 10, and Quantity demanded is still 5

                              if the supply is less then the demand then the price will go up. I wouldn't say bp.tf is responsible for the change, since they can't really increase or decrease demand for an item. The rise of keys was inevitable, I just think that backpack.tf is speeding up the process.

                              Any key selling for 4.66-4.77 is Immediately bought. Show me some unsolds at 4.66-4.77 to prove that it should drop.

                                i direct you to what i have said 50 times before, 4.66-4.77 is possible. and um, unsolds at 4.66/4.77? wut?

                                  if they were unsold at 4.66/4.77...keys would be like 4 ref

                                    also, # OF KEYS SOLD MATTERS, NOT HOW QUICKLY THEY SELL

                                  and um...if keys were 4 ref, then it would be unsold for 4.66-4.77. unsolds only matter if i'm trying to get rid of a part of a range, which i'm not. for example, to make keys 4.66-4.88 i would have to find unsolds at 5 ref. however, i'm simply adding a number to the range, so therefore i only have to find sales for 4.66/4.77

                                    hang on, why should he have to show 4.66/4.77 unsold if that's the bottom of his range???

                                      exactly what i said

                                      any key at 5 ref is immediately bought.


                                      i got 3 adds within first 10 secs of selling 1 key at 5 ref

                                        and. 5. ref. is. in. the. fking. range.

                                          And 5 ref is the top of your range. If keys are being bought at that price so quickly, it should not be the high end.

                                      Fixed second link (he wont sell for 4.66 now)

                                      I talked to link number 5 earlier. I told him that he should sell for higher before his keys become trade-able. If you would like i get the conversation from the last post.

                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10382850 4,66, 15 hours ago Wont be selling at 4.66 again

                                        telling people they should sell stuff for higher doesnt mean anything because they already sold their stuff for 4.66 ref. you are just making people sell for higher, thus driving up key prices and making the market sh*t itself

                                          not penyless nephew or the first link, i know for a fact that they have not sold their keys, since they were untradeable. No trade was completed, so the proof was invalid.

                                            and once the keys became tradable, pennyless WOULD have traded his keys if you hadn't told him to not do it

                                              But did any trade actualy go through? SInce no trade actualy went through, the post was invalid. Doesnt matter if he would have, he wont now.

                                                ....he would have. but then you told him. thereby sabotaging my proof.

                                                  Sabotage, i like that word. Realy i was just trying to get begging traders a better deal. :)

                                                    Congrats! You are driving up the key market! How does that make you feel? Oh and it was sabotage.

                                                    I know it was sabotoge, but (conspiracy theory time) valve is the one trying to bring up key prices. They add the steam comunity market, making it so you can get games for those keys, (but not ref or anything craftable). They add the premium upgraders, making it so you are not forced to spend real money (usd) to get yorself another premium idle acount. They also cracked down on carders and those who buy from them (Long), making less keys enter the market. Valve does gain from this, because now it seems eaiser to just pay 250 for a key then wait 6-7 weeks for drops, were it used to take 3-4.

                                            Reported for commenting on prices

                                            Oh shizzle, one scrap change. In the right direction.

                                              this is crazy, 1 key used to mean 3.33+ and people on outpost are still selling items worth 3.33 IN KEYS for a 'new' key, which is now worth 4.66-5 ref, depending on the people who rate this load of propaganda.

                                                less talk more proof please

                                                Oh and if ANYONE ADDS ME TO BUY KEYS....dont.

                                                  I'm much too convinced of some kind of key manipulating at this point. Godspeed, you magnificent bastard.

                                                    ..............................

                                                      ...key manipulation among mods/admins/whoever changes the prices on the list. I derped.

                                                        well im trying to get the price to go down

                                                          Yes yes, and I support it! "Godspeed, you magnificent bastard!" was meant as a compliment/encouragement. Unless I'm totally wrong about that phrase.


                                                          I could very well have no idea what I'm talking about at the moment, that happens. Apologies then.

                                                    Admins and Mods (Some) : Hey look key suggestion thats an inflation! Ill close it. Imma buy some more keys and then accept one.

                                                      WOW they will make a weapon profit!

                                                        because you know. asking for 1 scrap higher than the suggested price is what makes you profit.

                                                        "hey 4.66 for a key?"

                                                        "add a scrap and deal"

                                                        seriously wtf its a goddamn scrap

                                                      First it was "It ain't gonna get much higher than 3 ref. Then it was 4 ref.. After that it was 5.. I guess lets start saying it's not gonna get to 6 ref......

                                                        we dont have to if the mods stop accepting stupid suggestions

                                                          I will buy any key you have for 4.88. Then I will INSTANTLY sell it to scrap.tf for 5 ref, then i will buy another.

                                                            i don't sell my keys for metal

                                                              why not, its apparently very easy to buy for 4.66 or even lower. Its just one key, i don't like having metal.

                                                                i dont sell keys for metal unless im low on metal

                                                                  Just once man, its the real price according to you, i have a little bit to much metal.

                                                          can only pray to God =_=

                                                            less talk more proof

                                                            I was trying my luck at ninjaing some low price key trades. By low price i mean anything below 5.11. So I add some guy who is selling 8 for 5 ref a pop. I check the veiw count and it says im the 12th veiw and the trade is 57 seconds old. The guy acepts my freind request and says SORY SOLD OUT. If anything, the key price needs to include 5.11 because people buy those within a day.

                                                            I went on outpost and the first thing I've seen was this trade: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10404400 (a guy is not getting that one key he desires for 15+ hours!

                                                            Stop this insanity, the current range is fine!

                                                              Because you know, just sitting back and watching the goddamn economy crash is what I like doing.

                                                                maximum game: hi

                                                                ThatOtherChigga™ #S>Stuff4Pure: hey just wondering have u bought any keys for 4.88 yet?

                                                                maximum game: yes

                                                              Ya know, when key prices keep rising like this, and time and time again the admins have shown they don't give a fuck about lowering prices, you'd think people would get smarter and stop using this website as a fucking gospel. Hell, for me this website is starting to feel like its on the spreadsheet site's level of manipulation, at least concerning keys.

                                                                if only someone else were to make a website like this with TRUE democracy

                                                                  none of us can code D:

                                                                    I shall send you my bots

                                                                    that happened here once, some suggestion that made v luggers 2 buds got 2000 up votes within an hour.

                                                                      It is safe to assume no-one is trying to manipulate the voting with bots right now, because keys affect every-one while vintage lugermorphs do not. Thus something like keys would naturally key alot of votes.

                                                                        I know that there is no one manipulating votes right now, but if someone made a website that was based purly on votes, the spreasheet would be overrun buy bots from people trying to raise the price of an item they own absurdly high.

                                                                          I agree that admins have to be around in order to have a functional spreadsheet.

                                                                        Sorry but your proof are wrong, i sold a lot of keys in 2 hours , sold for 5.22 each ..

                                                                          "my proof are wrong" i think you mean "is wrong" and wtf do you mean lol. they were successful trades. but no, they're just "wrong"

                                                                          Sir Jon- "I actually agree. 4.66, although it sells fast, is a nice number that alot of people tend to settle for. I see 4.66 every so often in the classifieds and on outpost."

                                                                          Long- "I already predicted this price range right after cleverpun accepted the other terrible suggestion"

                                                                            ThatOtherChigga™ #S>Stuff4Pure- "I am only trying to lower the price here because I want the 400 ref that I have stored on my alt to be worth more"


                                                                            I like quotes

                                                                              the only reasons i have alts is to use outpost. you can see the actual quotes from the previous suggestion

                                                                            I agree completely. This key inflation is getting out of fucking hands.

                                                                              ♫ i gave a suggestion to backpack.tf♫

                                                                              ♫ cleverpun made it assigned♫

                                                                              ♫ and bright and early next morning ♫

                                                                              ♫ the suggestion came right back ♫

                                                                              *he wrote apon it* ♫

                                                                              ♫ RETURN TO SENDER

                                                                              NO SUCH PROOF ♫

                                                                              ♫ NO SUCH BAN

                                                                                what?

                                                                                  return to sender elvis presley?

                                                                                    no.....

                                                                                http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198063505718/screenshot/560973246605278712 has at least 3 for 4.77 each

                                                                                and from my other suggestion there was a guy selling keys for 4.66 ref, got like 200 in stock.

                                                                                  http://bazaar.tf/trade/180873 bought plenty 2/3 a day for a few weeks. used all those keys on buying some of my buds. add him and ask. (btw hes looking to raise his price because he wants mass keys)

                                                                                    THE KEYVOLUTION!!!!

                                                                                      UPVOTE, man great proofs

                                                                                        but then again admin are well you know

                                                                                        they closed down a suggestion even if it is positive

                                                                                          and you know what admin I am talking about

                                                                                          you know the one whose names start with a c

                                                                                            well, there are actually 2.

                                                                                            starts with m

                                                                                            starts with c

                                                                                              well

                                                                                              whoever admin is it

                                                                                              That person will know le answer

                                                                                            I would like to point out how keys skyrocketed in the past few days. First, naknak's suggestion showed only buyers. However, cleverpun stupidly accepted that because apparantley "the high end was good." so she accepted a suggestion that was only half right. Next, Hatch's suggestion got accepted by Micheal Puddington. I actually added him to ask him which admin was responsible for my suggestion because I needed to clarify some major points with them. He said he didn't know and 5 min later, he accepted Hatch's suggestion, even though i had 80+ trades of counterproof. Due to those 2 idiotic suggestions, around 30% of my links became a week old. For the admin responsible for this and the other suggestion, I ask and remind you:

                                                                                            #1. Long, the famous key suggester, and 2 mods AGREE with this range.

                                                                                            #2. It matters not how fast keys are sold, but how MANY are sold.

                                                                                            #3. Yes, keys sell for 5 ref, that is why 5 ref is included in the range.

                                                                                            #4. Is tearing the economy apart really what we want here?

                                                                                            #5. Backpack.tf is about giving prices that are POSSIBLE, which all those links have proven to be at 4.66/4.77.

                                                                                            #6.Many protest trades out there, they are selling their keys for cheap realizing it is doing nothing.

                                                                                            #7. Many people are saying Bp.tf is becoming spreadsheet, which I have to agree with because of the last 2 accepted suggestions.

                                                                                            #8. With something as important as keys, shouldn't either all the admins and blue star people vote for it or just use the voting system instead of giving the power to one person who might fck it up? (no names)


                                                                                            That is all.


                                                                                            Thank you for your time.

                                                                                              oh and as of 4/23 finance only tracks 60% of trade server trades, which accounts for many keys sold for 4.66/4.77

                                                                                              [WDZ-RR] Poncho Sullivan: pretty much what I have seen from these suggestions is like the site owes hatch for making a $20 donation]

                                                                                              ThatOtherChigga™ #S>Stuff4Pure: huh

                                                                                              [WDZ-RR] Poncho Sullivan: redwall, vincent, and puddington accepted the prices

                                                                                              [WDZ-RR] Poncho Sullivan: If the admins don't pay attention to the community and keep approving these suggestions with overwhelmingly negative scores, this site is going to be thrown under the bus like the spreadsheet was

                                                                                                I do believe keys have reached the equilibrium where real players don't want to spend that much metal to just use them, instead I think most of the buyers are people who want to secure the worth of their backpack or, more likely, people who wants to cash out on keys. I mean, some say the cash price on keys is going up, and that increases the demand for people who intend to sell keys for cash to earn money, and thus metal doesn't matter for them, but every seller needs to do a desperate rush for keys. This also applies to those idlers that idle metal to buy keys and sell them for cash, so I believe it is the idlers that is the problem in this case.

                                                                                                  Question.


                                                                                                  Say you're in a small room with a registered cannibal who is really hungry.

                                                                                                  the doors are locked and there is no way out.

                                                                                                  and he starts trying to eat you


                                                                                                  if you were to try eat him back in self defense. would you be coincided a cannibal?

                                                                                                    inb4 shitstorm, wait i'm too late :P

                                                                                                      It's a perfect start.


                                                                                                      Upvote.