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Now that real-world prices are above 5 ref, it's time to update the bp.tf fantasy price!


As per bp.tf custom, the suggested "high price" is equal to the real-world low price, and the suggested "low price" is pure wishful thinking.


Here is some evidence to disregard entirely in your angry replies:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/search/70315697 keys>ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/search/101598813 ref>keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10230888 this guy and everyone below him is buying for 5 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10324334

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9928490

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10325135

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10324265

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/3283546

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10249993

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10325218


I can't find any evidence of 4.77, of course. So bring on the anecdotes! It is especially helpful if they are from weeks ago.


And, of course, my own key trade, with a very special guest appearance from pricing expert ratchetbear! http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10294930


Here are some insane theories that you might wish to expand upon in lengthy posts with lots of bold text:

"a few people control key prices"

"backpack.tf is driving the market FROM BEHIND"

"key reselling causes price inflation"

"showing evidence of past sales will make the price go up"

"trade servers"

    You need a lot more trades than that. A LOT more.

      haha yeah that was surely the reason why 100% of previous key suggestions finished up in the negative hundreds of votes, insufficient evidence.

        I would like to say that I sold 4 key at 5 refined each today, got 4 adds within 30 seconds. Also sold 2 keys at 5.11, 1 add within a minute.

      I would post base64's list, but people don like it anymore.

        I don't think that you have shown nearly enough evidence to support your claim.

          And as if 8 open BUY trades at 5 ref is somehow insufficent to support a high price of 5 ref! (here on planet earth, buy offers indicate the low price). It really is insano world here.


          Anyway, Outpost only shows 400 search results and of course they are clogged with people offering 2.66. People can click the search link and see current results for themselves, or even (gasp) participate in the key-ref market somehow before voting.

          Just because you don't find proof on outpost doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Just bought a key for 4 ref today and saw traders selling for 4.66 in servers throughout. Outpost isn't the end all be all.

            And just because it happens doesn't mean it belongs in the range. There is no reason to sell below the high bid price (which is 5 ref): you're just asking to be arbitraged.


            The point of bp.tf pricing, I imagine, is to help people get fair value for their items, not to trick them into selling for 4.66 so that some smoothie can flip them to an open buy ad for one rec more.

            I found 4 keys being sold 4.66 within 20 minutes and bought one. Is there anyway to add a snippet of the trade?

              Bought 2 for 4.66 today.

              Also, people are only willing to buy for 5 ref because they know it will rise to that if people like you keep suggesting these ridiculous prices.

                Yes, a few people like you who have many keys control key prices. So all your saying is that keys are going to rise forever because it is in demand.

                It's quite retarded because your making stuff that is worth more than 1 key much more expensive for other people.

                an genuine Awper hand cost 3.66, now it costs 4.66...Lots more stuff u can check for yourself.

                  The G Awper used to be more than a 1 key but will soon drop more.

                  I came here expecting to see a wall of proof. Step it up.

                    People can examine the evidence and understand it, or not.


                    It's of no use to post 500 links that no one will look at or think about or understand before they type some ignorant reply filled with complex theories about bubbles and cabals.


                    The links provided show that buyers are left wanting at 5 ref. This justifies a range that includes 5 ref. Simple.

                Need way more trades and Better proof!

                  someone needs way more trades

                    lol

                  You'll need some more trades. A lot more.


                  Can we keep this key suggestion civil and on topic as well, please?


                  Also, a note to people who claim this is ruining the game; you don't need keys to play this game. It's a game, have some fun.

                    "civil">backpack.tf>key pricing


                    wut

                      It is worth trying. They don't HAVE to be filled with racial and homophobic slurs, people just chose to fill it with that. They should instead be filled with counter-proof or additional proof.

                        you guys need to remember that these are just KEYS and you people are litterally freaking out over virtual items.


                        seriously, get over yourselves.

                          Oh no, I completely agree. I find it horrendous that homophobia is tied into this. I hate it, I just chose to ignore it. But it's hard to ignore it when this is about virtual items.


                          Hence why a large majority of people here aren't civilised, because they are greedy asses.

                        EDIT: You have showed more counter proof for 4.66 than OP has shown for his price suggestion. That is more like it. :)

                          lol basically all of them closed within minutes of posting

                            that shouldnt matter. as long as people are willing to sell for the current range, sellers at 5 ref will stop trying.

                              sellers at 5 ref have stopped trying, they are all asking 5.11+ now. Because they cannot keep keys in stock at 5 ref.

                                because, you know, a scrap makes all the difference. its a fucking scrap people. sell at the goddamn price. a 2 cent increase in ur bp value wont change anything

                                  If a scrap doesn't matter why are you raging so hard against my 1 scrap bump in the price?


                                  > a 2 cent increase in ur bp value wont change anything

                                  counterpoint: http://backpack.tf/id/_naknak_

                                      Nice theory except I'm not using S>anything prices in this suggestion, at all. Look at my proof again. Those are all buy prices.


                                      also "backpack.tf is driving the market FROM BEHIND"

                                      also "key reselling causes price inflation"

                                      also "showing evidence of past sales will make the price go up"

                                        yes, but you have to show buyers as well as sellers

                                          " Those are all buy prices."


                                          As in, those trades are opened by buyers.

                                            which is why i said u have to show buyers as well as sellers. that too hard to understand?

                                    OP?

                                      original post / outpost

                                        ......those people selling for under the market value should be rewarded. keys need to stop rising. economy is crashing

                                          thought you were asking what OP meant

                                          anyways yeah I know what you meen, now the sellers get brushed off, and buyers are the only proof mods care about (with keys at least) kinda the opposite of every item in the game lol

                                      yay

                                        Here is some more counter proof:

                                        http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8910344 selling at 4 ref

                                        http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9013580 selling at 4.11 ref


                                        My counterproof trades have something in common with his, can you see what it is?


                                        Look carefully and try to spot the minor detail that makes his post irrelevant.

                                          they are 1 month old lol. back then keys were what, 3.66?

                                            Yes, old trades from the past that show outdated prices. Just like yours. Keep trying!

                                              mine range from 2 hours to 1 day ago lol

                                                And mine don't. I win.

                                                  xD yours has pretty much the same time as mine.

                                                    Yup, you came pretty close to offering accurate proof like I did but somehow failed. Try to use open trades next time.


                                                    P.S. I win

                                                      some of urs got closed too. why? because they sold. duh

                                            i love how people KNOW they're destroying the economy and yet they keep trying

                                              i know. but this shows people ARE WILLING to sell at THE CURRENT price and NOT be GREEDY a*******

                                                Okay. There are a few sellers at 4.66 ref, and there are just as many sales happening at 5.11 ref. Both are outliers and don't happen very often and thus should not be included in the range.


                                                Outpost sellers are incredibly greedy, no one is denying that. You just need to take into account that as long as people are paying x on average, the price is x. People need to stop paying x. Or hell, better yet, message everyone who has a trade open in this guys proof and ask them to close their trade. If they're closed, that means they are no longer buying at 5 ref, meaning they won't work as proof. If you want key prices to drop, help.

                                                  > Outpost sellers are incredibly greedy, no one is denying that.


                                                  I am. This idea was debunked by base64 months ago: http://tf2finance.com/2012_11/

                                                    seriously... outpost traders are greedy, basically with anything they'll ask for more, i could show evidence, but we both know thats pointless, oh and... down voted :D

                                                    so telling greedy people to stop being greedy will work?

                                                      Most likely not, but it is better than doing nothing?

                                                          If you give the greedy justification, the masses will feel like they have no other option but to accept the insanity.

                                                            and the masses are greedy. just look at the guys proof. naknak's proof (greedy people) vs. those people up there (non greedy)

                                                            i criticized a 5 ref key seller on outpost, and he asked me, "but isnt this , good? manipulating prices so ur bp value can go up?"

                                                            totally agree with ya

                                                              "the masses" should get a brain of their own

                                                        More like bp.tf screwed those sellers who trusted their prices. They could have quicksold at 5 ref.

                                                          indeed, because for some reason, idiots blindy buy keys for no reason

                                                              No reason except that they're in a market with prices influenced by supply and demand, and there is ample demand at 5 ref.

                                                                supply to what? blow them on uncrating?

                                                                  BAHAHA, who uses keys to unbox anymore.

                                                                    beginners. then people shark them out of them. =how unusuals are made

                                                                      I'm pretty sure that theory is extinct. Even noobs know they are better off buying games than opening crates.

                                                                        not exactly. ive sharked an unusual before. plenty of beginners who want premium blow their keys on uncrating

                                                                          Yes, that's right. Put that your sharked someone in writing for all to see.

                                                                            doesnt matter. sharking isnt illegal. theres a difference between a shark and a scam

                                                                              I use keys to unbox, because I find it to be fun. Not everyone cares about "profit".

                                                                              That being said, I haven't traded for a key in almost a year. I buy them directly from the MannCo. Store.

                                                                                I use keys to unbox, mostly because i gave up on trading after i got scammed out of an unusual and because of idiots trying to raise the price of keys to make it harder for people like me to buy them.

                                                                      PROTIP they're not "willing" if the trade is closed. I linked to open trades, would you like to give that a try?

                                                                        they were willing. then they sold them. they closed the trade. is that hard to grasp for you?

                                                                          I linked to open trades, would you like to give that a try? You know, since we're talking about current market conditions?

                                                                            oldest link from me was 1 day old. so im assuming that 1 day old links are considered "current"

                                                                              Bad assumption. It would be a good idea to delete all your posts now.

                                                                                xD...i cant argue with you dude...you're just too funny lol

                                                                                  I win again ^_^ And, seriously, don't forget to delete all those terrible posts.

                                                                                    you win?!?! xDDD exactly how many people have downvoted your posts?

                                                                                      In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

                                                                            Why did you do this?! Now 5.22+ ref sellers just went there and bought them all out! >_<


                                                                            Good proof though. Haha.

                                                                              -_- good proof? good proof? good proof?

                                                                                "backpack.tf is driving the market FROM BEHIND"


                                                                                PROTIP key sellers were buying at 5 before my suggestion. I know this because I'm one of them.

                                                                                    Why don't you link us to all your great trades on tf2outpost so we can see what a good trader looks like? OH wait...


                                                                                    P.S. http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/key wow those outpost jerks sure are a bunch of highballers.

                                                                                Great post.

                                                                                  and every single one is sold out because anyone with half a brain and the metal to spare would buy those quicksells immediately.

                                                                                    All of those were open less than a day...

                                                                                    That's like... No proof at all...

                                                                                      It's almost as if I'm suggesting you should have some direct knowledge of today's market conditions before voting or commenting.


                                                                                      Or, at minimum, the sophistication to realize that 8 open, unfilled buy trades at 5 ref is a good sign that anyone selling below 5 ref is screwing themselves.

                                                                                        i want you to go to a trade server and try to buy keys @4.66

                                                                                          "trade servers"


                                                                                          I don't need to, base64 debunked the "outpost price skew" theory in his seminal work on key prices which I assume everyone here has read (hahaha) http://tf2finance.com/2012_11/

                                                                                            Did and done.

                                                                                              easy on trade servers for 4.66. no, i dont want to read that because i know this suggestion isnt going to pass anyway

                                                                                                bring on the anecdotes

                                                                                                  Same number of keys in your bp as yesterday and 2 new scraps which are misplaced (but no keys misplaced). Guess you forgot about bp history when posting this BS.

                                                                                                No, it's a sign that they actually realize that people don't want to pay 5 ref for a key, genius. They sell lower because they know they will get more buyers than those who sell at 5 or above. Profit or not, 5 ref is ridiculous. I'm still laughing at your logic, or lack thereof. "Oh, people are charging 5 ref, let's make it official."


                                                                                                It's a neverending cycle. You up the price, a lot of people go higher than the bp.tf price for what they call "profit." Matching up with outpost doesn't make 5+ ref any less absurd.

                                                                                                  What people? I can't keep them in stock at 5 ref and neither can you (you DO sell keys, right?)


                                                                                                  > I'm still laughing at your logic, or lack thereof. "Oh, people are charging 5 ref, let's make it official."

                                                                                                  Guess you missed that those are buy trades? A buy trade is when someone is offering to buy at a price.


                                                                                                  The people selling, I didn't even bother to link because it would blow your mind so hard. Guess what? They want more than 5 ref!

                                                                                                    Yeah, and that is why so many people are saying this economy is crashing. There are people who will continue to sell above price for "a profit," no matter how high the bp.tf price is.


                                                                                                    If this site keeps getting suggestions like yours, the economy WILL crash.


                                                                                                    And yes, I do sell keys. I just prefer not to rip people off. Apparently, that's as rare as a Burning Team Captain. ._.

                                                                                                      Many people say the Earth is 6000 years old and man used to ride dinosaurs like horses. They're wrong too.


                                                                                                      The market is doing just great, buds are selling for all-time highs in dollars, and keys are above $1.50 for the first time in a year.


                                                                                                      Link to your key trade? You're strongly implying that you sell below 5 ref and have some in stock. I'm calling bullshit.

                                                                                                        The market is doing just great? You are kidding, right?


                                                                                                        Keys are limited because people only buy them from the Steam Market instead of the Mann Co store, which means not as many keys introduced into circulation, driving the price up.


                                                                                                        As for my comment about keys, I'm saying that I buy and sell for the same price. I don't attempt to rip people off in the name of "profit," which is what some, not all, but some people do. At the moment, I don't have keys because the price is absurd, a view I thought I'd made apparent by now, but that you seem a little slow to pick up on.


                                                                                                        I can't seem to respond to your comment below, so I'll answer here:

                                                                                                        If you are seriously asking why I'm objecting to a price raise when I can't afford to restock, you literally have no hope. At all. Raising the price keeps people from being able to restock. Please, think a little.

                                                                                                          So... you don't have any keys because they sold out, and you can't restock because the price has gone up. And you're disagreeing with my price suggestion... why?

                                                                                              Well we all knew this day would come...

                                                                                              Ain't even mad, nothing we can do...

                                                                                              *sigh*

                                                                                                ... Dude. This is too much. Keys were 2.88 during Christmas, 2012. Are you kidding me? Every person who decides to suggest a higher value for a key has tons of keys. It's common sense that they want to sell keys. You don't even have that many. You're going to get ripped of later. Don't ruin the economy. I know the real economy is going bad, but You don't need to ruin even the tf2 gaming economy. It's going to create a chaos where people are just going to abandon tf2.

                                                                                                  Yeah remember when keys went from 2.5 to 3 ref and all those people abandoned tf2? Oh wait, that didn't happen at all, because it makes no sense.

                                                                                                    u make no sense lol

                                                                                                  Dota 2 ruining tf2 economy

                                                                                                    well thats a new theory

                                                                                                      ..............................

                                                                                                      My jimmies aren't even rustled anymore, I've just completely stopped making metal to key/key to metal trades ever since keys reached 3.66-4

                                                                                                        Know what?


                                                                                                        I hope Valve lowers the price of keys on the Mann Co. Store, just so I can see the shitstorm. All your keys will suddenly value NOTHING.

                                                                                                          Which is exactly why they will not do it, it would crash the economy and demolish all trust into it.

                                                                                                            Why are you so worried about a market crash? Your backpack is worth $4000. It sounds like if they decide to do it, your backpack will be worth less than the $400+ it is now.

                                                                                                            The higher the key prices go on this site, the more people distrust the site.

                                                                                                          i dont know what the problem is. keys are going for 5 to 5.11, we all know it, why dont we just accept it

                                                                                                            Sorry, you just do not understand the importance of the bp.tf reality distortion field.


                                                                                                            Actual key prices must never be spoken of! The only acceptable evidence is old closed trades! And trade server anecdotes! Or the true price of keys might be reported AND THAT CANNOT HAPPEN

                                                                                                              keys that are currently for sale might not actually sell at those prices. that is why trades where the keys have already changed hands are taken as better "proof".

                                                                                                                And people with metal in hand, asking to buy at the cited price (5 ref)? Like I linked to? They might not get sellers so the actual price must be even higher right? Or am I misapplying the reality distortion logic somehow?


                                                                                                                You understand economics about as well as you understand how not to get banned from outpost


                                                                                                                EDIT: and bp.tf lol

                                                                                                              so let me highlight a few things before i sleep:

                                                                                                              #1: you think buyers are all that matters

                                                                                                              #2: you think trade servers dont matter

                                                                                                              #3: you keep saying "i win" when everyone hates you

                                                                                                              #4: u only have 8 actual links to trades

                                                                                                              #5: (and perhaps the dumbest of all): you think that my 2 hour-1 day old links are "old trades that show outdated prices"

                                                                                                                1) if there are unfilled buyers at 5 ref it's because there aren't enough sellers at 5 ref

                                                                                                                2) outlier trades don't matter. High bid is all that matters (and on planet earth, "low ask" but on planet bp.tf we can't even discuss low ask)

                                                                                                                3) "everyone" = a bunch of broke railbirds on bp.tf

                                                                                                                4) 1 link would be enough if the guy was sufficiently liquid

                                                                                                                5) trades that close in 3 seconds are outliers, almost by definition. If you were telling the truth you could show open trades to prove it. I can. You can't. I win.


                                                                                                                6) SPECIAL BONUS RETORT since you have a lot of keys, please link to the trade where you're selling keys for 5 ref or below. Since it is so easy to buy at 4.66, and 5 ref is an absurd unattainable price, according to you, you must be willing to part with them at 5 ref each, right? I mean, it's automatic profit, right? If you're not full of shit, that is.

                                                                                                                offering 4.88 gets plenty of trades. why do people bother buying at 5.11 from casual traders when they can visit scrap.tf and pay the same? If you're gonna bother trading with average players you should get a better price.


                                                                                                                and yes i bought a key today at 4.88. If you have metal on hand under 5 pretty simple still.

                                                                                                                  buying at 4.88 doesn't really disprove a range of 4.77-5. It sort of.. supports it.

                                                                                                                    It is also part of the current range. Pay attention. You can't raise the price unless you show 4.66 as extremely rare. I support the current range since the 5+ trades are mostly profiteers and if the standard rate was around 5 then those trades would all show 5.22 minimum.

                                                                                                                      If there are open buy trades at 5 and 4.88 and 4.77, which there are, that does prove 4.66 is rare.


                                                                                                                      I love how one-off-dead-in-3 second trades are legit proof 420 blaze it, but all successful for-profit trades are considered off-limits. I've sold at least 60 keys at 5 ref or more. I don't even bother to cite them in my OP because most of the people here cannot handle that reality.

                                                                                                                        actually showing screenshots of trade history for those 60 keys would be quite helpful to your "proof". I didn't say that for profit trades were off limits but clearly if they are for "profit" then the keys are still being acquired for less elsewhere by those same people.

                                                                                                                          Haha, literally nothing would be "quite helpful". Read these comments! People here can't tell the difference between a buy ad and a sell ad. If Jesus Christ himself appeared in a burning team captain and said "all keys are henceforth 6 ref", these idiots would still be screaming "trade serrrverrrrs" as he condemned them to hell.


                                                                                                                          My theory is, if you're going to have a price range of keys, maybe, maybe, that range should include the price you would pay for a key if you bought one now?


                                                                                                                          By "now", I mean: Not yesterday, not 2 hours ago if you were the lucky one out of 8 adds to some guy's lowball trade, not 45 minutes from now after dicking around on a trade server. Now.


                                                                                                                          "What you would pay" is a pretty standard measure of price everywhere except here on planet bp.tf.


                                                                                                                          http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/key


                                                                                                                            well sorry, just not personally willing to pay 5+ for a key. While I understand a seller's point of view in not willing to take less than X. it is only the trades where the buyer and seller have an overlap in their desired prices that actually happen. That is what actually determines the market price (Not just what one or two people are willing to pay on such a highly traded item like keys).

                                                                                                                              Your "1 or 2" (8) argument would make sense if 5 was my suggested low price. But it's the high price. And I'm showing open buy ads for it! And there are no sell ads below it. This is a total slam dunk (I win).


                                                                                                                              According to you, sellers exist at 4.66 in abundance, but somehow these buyers can't find sellers at 5? See how there are no open ads at 4.88-? That's because keys at that price get bought instantly.


                                                                                                                              It's literally crazy (as in delusional) to claim people aren't paying 5 ref when the proof is staring you in the face like this.

                                                                                                                  Guys, search for steam groups that help the cause of lowering prices.


                                                                                                                  Let's get those keys back at 2.33 ref.

                                                                                                                    That site that is and isn't used as evidence is already listing them at 4.93 ref so it's only a matter of...I'd say hours until another suggestion within this range is posted.

                                                                                                                      Oh for fuck sake... stop those damn suggestions about increasing the price of the key.

                                                                                                                        No (I win)

                                                                                                                          God damn it, do not even think about doing it!

                                                                                                                        sadly i have to agree. last 2 days i needed metal so i put up keys 4 sale on outpost

                                                                                                                        3/2/3 kys , everytime 5 ref each, sold them in minutes

                                                                                                                          Oh and someone baught keys for 5.33 ref on a server, wasnt my prices, wasnt even selling he just advertied buiyng keys 5.33 ref lol

                                                                                                                            Yeah no kidding right? I wish more people with actual, relevant experience buying/selling keys would reply here.

                                                                                                                            seriously,the key prices should drop,it's TOO DAMN HIGH!

                                                                                                                              No (I win)

                                                                                                                              Can you PLEASE cool it with these suggestions already...

                                                                                                                                No (I win)

                                                                                                                                You´re ruining key economy, "Facepalm"

                                                                                                                                  No (I win)

                                                                                                                                    No (Your winner)

                                                                                                                                  http://prntscr.com/12318s

                                                                                                                                  Sold for 5 refs

                                                                                                                                    You have to stop raising key price. You're all saying that they should be 5 ref just becouse people are selling them for that price, but if you'll increase the price to 5 they won't sell them for 5 ref only, they're going to sell them for 5+ and then you will want to get the price even higher.... so on, and so on........


                                                                                                                                    The key price is high enough ALREADY the price began to increase, couse there were more Ref then there used to be so the price of the Ref had to be lowered, but now the price of Refined metal may even be too low now. So now if you have any more arguiments than traders selling for 5 ref I would like to hear them

                                                                                                                                      Read that proof again. I didn't even bother to use sell trades in my proof. I'm saying they should be 5 ref because people are buying them for that price. Revolutionary I know.


                                                                                                                                      "backpack.tf is driving the market FROM BEHIND"


                                                                                                                                      And they already are selling for above 5. See Klaus the Keybanker's trade, and mine too.

                                                                                                                                        That doesn't change the case for me, no matter for what price they're selling at the moment they will still increase the price if the price on backpack.tf is higher than it's now. And in my eyes you're just of those guys who think that if I have some keys then I have to get their price bigger then I'll make more keys...... And I'm still waiting for a true arguiment on why we should increase the price of the keys even more.

                                                                                                                                        The good news is that there are more and more people who realize that raising the price of the keys is pointless and that it's just some kids trying to get more keys in ,,easy way" . So I hope I'll get your answer why we need the higher price of these keys.

                                                                                                                                          > And I'm still waiting for a true arguiment on why we should increase the price of the keys even more.


                                                                                                                                          You mean, apart from the fact that that is what they are buying and selling for? Newsflash: markets don't follow some grand plan. They are chaotic. Raising the price (on bp.tf) isn't pointless, it makes the price more accurate.


                                                                                                                                          Not actually accurate of course. The idea that any of you could deal with actual key prices is absurd. Just less inaccurate than it is now.

                                                                                                                                      The credibility of the guy was to soils, and now replicates the comments with the same message, which in itself is grounds for banned.


                                                                                                                                      On this, it is absurd that, I think, in my view, we must stop this, and as simple, although hard, is not buying metal keys that inflate the price as does the suggestion, this is going hands and now I find it easier to buy real money keys metal (thus better buy hats or misc). As far as I am of the idea that many do not buy him the guys, know their nick, and to boycott their business.

                                                                                                                                        You should read up on what a comma does.


                                                                                                                                        I think you are saying that buying keys for money will make their value in metal drop. This is wrong. How could anyone sincerely believe this?


                                                                                                                                        If you could be wrong about that and ALSO wrong about how a comma works, then you are probably wrong about everything.

                                                                                                                                        Keys are in a bubble right now. Bubbles burst.

                                                                                                                                        11-hour update:


                                                                                                                                        tf2finance average price (60% trade server, according to base64): 4.92

                                                                                                                                        number of people writing angry replies: lots

                                                                                                                                        number of people downvoting my comments: lots and lots

                                                                                                                                        number of people claiming they can't sell keys at 4.88: zero

                                                                                                                                        number of people claiming they can't sell at keys at 5: zero

                                                                                                                                        number of people claiming they can't sell at keys at 5.11: zero

                                                                                                                                        number of links to open trades below 5 ref: zero

                                                                                                                                        number of keys I sold overnight at 5.33: one (EDIT: just sold 11 to 1 guy)

                                                                                                                                          I think you are missing this little key element called ETHICS. <3

                                                                                                                                            oh, like when you instabought a key for 4.66 on a trade server last night, without altering the number of keys in your backpack? Those kind of ethics I can do without.

                                                                                                                                          How about you all stop looking at tf2outpost and start thinking for your self.

                                                                                                                                          Key prices have been ridiculous in the past months and it's time to get it back to around 3 ref.


                                                                                                                                          To those who have been collecting keys to sell them for higher prices. Please go f ur self.

                                                                                                                                            Well, we can tell from this guy's past trades that he is one of THOSE guys.

                                                                                                                                            -You know, those that sell keys for higher prices and somehow manage to get some impatient customers on TF2 Outpost, who unlucky for them, contributed to the Great Key Crisis of 2013.

                                                                                                                                              Just sold 11 keys for 58.66. Thanks bp.tf!

                                                                                                                                              Suggester have a lot of time to look comment and reply every hour ...

                                                                                                                                                This is a pretty accurate comment.

                                                                                                                                                  I'm really impressed by your suggestion that doesn't even include tf2finance price or your own buy-trade evidence.


                                                                                                                                                  Yours just might capture the bp.tf idiot zeitgeist more perfectly than my own suggestion, which is already pretty perfect (have you read some of these freaking comments?!). Good luck to you.

                                                                                                                                                    I'm starting to think you're a massive troll.

                                                                                                                                                      tf2finance is not really that good when it only track people that have buds since these guys are most likely to be rich and don't give a ratass to pay extra for convenience or bulk

                                                                                                                                                        or they buy keys and buds from carders.

                                                                                                                                                          oh you so funny and original

                                                                                                                                                          good job.

                                                                                                                                                          /s

                                                                                                                                                          what idiots even want metal for keys instead of $$$

                                                                                                                                                            The idiots who getting banned by steam for being accomplice to thieves and scum bags and yet they continue to stick their noses everywhere. Those people often use alt accounts to circulate keys for metal and then re buy key with different id and sell for money.

                                                                                                                                                              "Those people often use alt accounts to circulate keys for metal and then re buy key with different id and sell for money."

                                                                                                                                                              http://puu.sh/2Hb6I.jpg

                                                                                                                                                              eh, steam didn't ban my alt

                                                                                                                                                              and outpost mod ban me although I didn't get marked as trade banned

                                                                                                                                                              so yea


                                                                                                                                                              I am just gonna listen to lack of vincent and ignore all the people that say things that they can't even back up with proof nor logic.

                                                                                                                                                                I am not talking about you mate, I am just talking in general.

                                                                                                                                                    Can I just make one point here? When a person has a substantial amount of keys, sells them all at an extraordinary price, and then watches the market crash, that person is then able to buy back all of their keys at the reduced price and have the remainder of his profits to buy more keys. Since keys will always be useful (unless Valve gets rid of them), a person selling at these high prices recoups the keys they sold + the keys they can now buy at the slashed price with all the metal we gave them. The end result? We have no metal, but instead just a handful of keys, they have bundles of metal, and they come in and "save" the day by giving us a "break" by buying the keys back - at a reduced priced of course. It's only fair.

                                                                                                                                                      can we have a day where there isn't a price suggestion up trying to rise the price of keys even higher?

                                                                                                                                                        Haven't seen this yet..so.


                                                                                                                                                        http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10230888- No new key's/States 107 ref in stock, still has 107 ref.


                                                                                                                                                        http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10324334- 2 new key's


                                                                                                                                                        http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9928490- Tons upon tons of new key's and a lot of items as well. Not sure if idle account or hasn't logged into tf2.


                                                                                                                                                        http://www.tf2outpost.com/backpack/158870- No new key's


                                                                                                                                                        http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10324265- Closed only one key in his backpack.


                                                                                                                                                        http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/3283546- Has key's not sure if they're new though.


                                                                                                                                                        http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10249993- 1 new key


                                                                                                                                                        http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10325218- 9 new key's currently.


                                                                                                                                                        Again have never done this before.. So if I've messed up please let me know. Thank you!



                                                                                                                                                          we could even up it more, because some people are able to sell it for 5.22+


                                                                                                                                                          so i'm for this price range

                                                                                                                                                            the only reason people sell it for 5.22, is because there are people who don't look at all matches.

                                                                                                                                                            That is the only reason, in my opinion.

                                                                                                                                                            keys are getting really overpriced and theres no reason for it the mann co prices arent going up just people keep getting more and want to sell them for more than theyre actually worth

                                                                                                                                                              "keys are getting really overpriced and theres no reason for it "

                                                                                                                                                              it is more because metal is dropping in value

                                                                                                                                                                also because valve has started banning carders and their accomplice.

                                                                                                                                                                  keep posting irrelevant comments and still nothing gonna happen.

                                                                                                                                                                  gaben care about you a lot.

                                                                                                                                                                    I just gave a reason why the key prices shoot up, just like you did in your comment.

                                                                                                                                                                    1. Halloween unusual.

                                                                                                                                                                    2. Valve crackdown on carders and their accomplice.

                                                                                                                                                                    3. Insane metal farming

                                                                                                                                                                    4. and mainly because people just fear that they should stock as many keys because their prices are gonna rise.

                                                                                                                                                              Saw people on trade servers, one sold at 4 refined, another at 4.66 refined.

                                                                                                                                                                4 ref, 4 ref, 4 ref, 4 ref and 4 ref.


                                                                                                                                                                4 ref should be the price and that's final

                                                                                                                                                                  Why do these things keep going up. It is ruining the TF2 Economy

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                                                                                                                                                                    [url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10230888[/url]

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                                                                                                                                                                    [url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10342690[/url]

                                                                                                                                                                    Even I myself bought 2 keys for 5 ref.


                                                                                                                                                                    What's going on, is:

                                                                                                                                                                    So many people buying for 4.66 and 4.88. No one sells them anything.

                                                                                                                                                                    Someone buys for 5 ref each, BAM. You get a deal, and fast.

                                                                                                                                                                      GAH! I don't think I'll be able to watch keys rise any further. It makes me sad, as

                                                                                                                                                                      I've only been trading a couple months, and in those couple months, keys have skyrocketed. We need to try to stop the rise before the crash. I suggest that someone buys a shitton of keys and sells them cheap.

                                                                                                                                                                        that's the thing. As long as people continue to buy the keys at this price, they won't crash.