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http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198094114508#!/compare/1470441600/1470700800 = 5x1.150 = 5.750

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Apreciate Best Hat Game

    *ignore spelling/grammer mistakes.


    Rick’s B/O was 8000 keys pure for his TC. He listed his hat few times with limited time only. He was also ready for negotiation. Rick also bought lvl73 b.tc from Deathyui (he bought that TC from purp. and priced as 8000 keys) + nobody does not know what rick paid to him. Deathyui is banned from bp.tf as accused by item duplication (who wouldn't, check his profile&bp below).


    Profile: http://backpack.tf/u/76561197962078395


    Ban reason: Trade banned by valve for item duplication. Item histories were hidden using gift wrap and profile is now private. You'll have some serious explaining to do when you appeal.


    Check bp history: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561197962078395?time=1456732800


    Those 3 burning ke’s came from nowhere, i dont know why bp.tf does not show the giftwraps but they were wrapped.

    What i think is he is duplicating or working with a duplicator. As i mentioned above he bought lvl 73 tc from purp. He paid b. Ke + b. Warpig + g.pan. That b.ke is sold to heartlyss and priced as 6300 keys. That ke is probably duplicated but i cant prove that as he wrapped those b.ke’s.


    b.ke price updated to 6300 keys: http://backpack.tf/suggestion/5739730a83de6b0d3341aa2d


    Therefore, b.tc 8000 keys sale + b.ke 6300 keys sales are invalid as ke’s were duplicated by deathyui. + which makes this suggestion is invalid as the lvl73 b.tc came from item duplicator. at least it would be pretty wrong to use those sales to update the price. would that 8000k tc price will be the same if that b.ke known as it was duped? would heartlyss buy that ke for 6300 keys if he/she know it was duped? i'm sure not. i saw a price suggestion, a duped scorch ke involved in trade. as the item was duped (massively), ke is priced as "worth of clean one * 0.7" (multiplication). correct me if im wrong.


    Also deathyui or known as pon had a duped lvl3 b.tc. he sold one of his duped lvl3 tc’s to ravenholmzombies. Raven paid 2000usd for it. You can ask him. Then pon got another duped b.tc again. If you dig the history you will see 2x duped lvl3 burning tc’s in his bp after the sale. Even its duped, 2000 usd is pretty low. Why did he sell cheap? Because he is literally manufacturing them.


    I’m trying to help. The result of this suggestion will not affect me, and i know nobody cares what i think or my theories (still not all of them are theories if you check the proofs) but people who did not know what happened at past can learn from my post (unless its deleted). Too lazy to login my main and post this. 76561198044451693


    rip: Your inventory value is too low to comment on this suggestion.. so had to login my main. here we are.


    also would like to know why"x" amount of people disliked this. do i care? yeah want to know them and their reasons if possible thats about it.

      Why is this guy being downvoted? Is what he says false? or do people press the button without even knowing what they're talking about ?

        I'm just going to mention the following: The price of any unusual can be RAISED with duped sales. So if the KE involved on the 6300 suggestion was duped, it doesn't really matter since it was a price raise. If anything, it went to show that the previous price was low at the time.

        The same can be said for the TC, implying the 8000 sale at the time was for a duped one, then a price raise would've been valid as well.

          please read carefully what i've posted above. there is a time difference hence current lvl73 tc was clean. and i think, right now after pon lvl73 tc is not clean atm.


          i've seen that was coming. yes, the price of an unusual can be raised with duped sales. you forgot to mention something which is

          1) if there is no clean version of that unusual avaliable (like knifestorm modest) or

          2) if the buyer HAD to pay more than outdated bp.tf price for a duped version of that unusual since clean one is locked on collectors bp, (or owner was trade banned, removed the clean hat etc..) for years (assume 3 existance, 1 clean and 1 duped).


          not sure the second one but the first thing is avaliable. the thing is would heartlyss still pay 6300k for a duped burning ke while at least two people are selling on tf2op depending on 6000-7000 key pure price? he would definetly try to get clean one, and im sure prefer to pay way pretty less for duped one. never seen a person who was willing to pay more for a duped unusual, where the clean versions are avaliable on market. never seen that second incident before, as i mentioned above.


          about the 8000 key tc sale; nobody was selling a CLEAN tc other than purp (i did not mention that tc when purp had it, was duped anyway), and pon paid that much to her. but you cant clear that why he did not pay 8000 key for a lvl3 duped burning tc? (dont tell me preference..) he had one and sold for dirty cheap (clean is always better, thats why he bought clean one and sold his duped one). also if purp knew that b.ke was duped, she would ask more or would probably pass on that offer. b.ke, or tc's should not considiered as god tiers they are on different level. collectors pay more than outdated price if they are clean. otherwise you will face some difficulties. even on cheaper duped hats (less than 300 keys), people pay less like if they are quickbuying for %30, asks %50 off for them. and when you came to god tiers you can only guess the %. reference: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25268392

            please read carefully what i've posted above. there is a time difference hence current lvl73 tc was clean. and i think, right now after pon lvl73 tc is not clean atm.


            i've seen that was coming. yes, the price of an unusual can be raised with duped sales. you forgot to mention something which is

            1) if there is no clean version of that unusual avaliable (like knifestorm modest) or

            2) if the buyer HAD to pay more than outdated bp.tf price for a duped version of that unusual since clean one is locked on collectors bp, (or owner was trade banned, removed the clean hat etc..) for years (assume 3 existance, 1 clean and 1 duped).


            not sure the second one but the first thing is avaliable. the thing is would heartlyss still pay 6300k for a duped burning ke while at least two people are selling on tf2op depending on 6000-7000 key pure price? he would definetly try to get clean one, and im sure prefer to pay way pretty less for duped one. never seen a person who was willing to pay more for a duped unusual, where the clean versions are avaliable on market. never seen that second incident before, as i mentioned above.


            about the 8000 key tc sale; nobody was selling a CLEAN tc other than purp (i did not mention that tc when purp had it, was duped anyway), and pon paid that much to her. but you cant clear that why he did not pay 8000 key for a lvl3 duped burning tc? (dont tell me preference..) he had one and sold for dirty cheap (clean is always better, thats why he bought clean one and sold his duped one). also if purp knew that b.ke was duped, she would ask more or would probably pass on that offer. b.ke, or tc's should not considiered as god tiers they are on different level. collectors pay more than outdated price if they are clean. otherwise you will face some difficulties. even on cheaper duped hats (less than 300 keys), people pay less like if they are quickbuying for %30, asks %50 off for them. and when you came to god tiers you can only guess the %. reference: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25268392

          Can't use this to price the sale. PayPal was involved.

            Scrennshot ?

              Doesn't need one, spoke to foamy about it and he will be closing this .

                So i'm assuming that this is the classic "Paypal involved, but i won't provide proof because the total is lower than current price", right?


                It's a shame because these clean things rarely sell.

              *ignore spelling/grammer mistakes.


              Rick’s B/O was 8000 keys pure for his TC. He listed his hat few times with limited time only. He was also ready for negotiation. Rick also bought lvl73 b.tc from Deathyui (he bought that TC from purp. and priced as 8000 keys) + nobody does not know what rick paid to him. Deathyui is banned from bp.tf as accused by item duplication (who wouldn't, check his profile&bp below).


              Profile: http://backpack.tf/u/76561197962078395


              Ban reason: Trade banned by valve for item duplication. Item histories were hidden using gift wrap and profile is now private. You'll have some serious explaining to do when you appeal.


              Check bp history: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561197962078395?time=1456732800


              Those 3 burning ke’s came from nowhere, i dont know why bp.tf does not show the giftwraps but they were wrapped.

              What i think is he is duplicating or working with a duplicator. As i mentioned above he bought lvl 73 tc from purp. He paid b. Ke + b. Warpig + g.pan. That b.ke is sold to heartlyss and priced as 6300 keys. That ke is probably duplicated but i cant prove that as he wrapped those b.ke’s.


              b.ke price updated to 6300 keys: http://backpack.tf/suggestion/5739730a83de6b0d3341aa2d


              Therefore, b.tc 8000 keys sale + b.ke 6300 keys sales are invalid as ke’s were duplicated by deathyui. + which makes this suggestion is invalid as the lvl73 b.tc came from item duplicator. at least it would be pretty wrong to use those sales to update the price. would that 8000k tc price will be the same if that b.ke known as it was duped? would heartlyss buy that ke for 6300 keys if he/she know it was duped? i'm sure not. i saw a price suggestion, a duped scorch ke involved in trade. as the item was duped (massively), ke is priced as "worth of clean one * 0.7" (multiplication). correct me if im wrong.


              Also deathyui or known as pon had a duped lvl3 b.tc. he sold one of his duped lvl3 tc’s to ravenholmzombies. Raven paid 2000usd for it. You can ask him. Then pon got another duped b.tc again. If you dig the history you will see 2x duped lvl3 burning tc’s in his bp after the sale. Even its duped, 2000 usd is pretty low. Why did he sell cheap? Because he is literally manufacturing them.

              was waiting for this suggestion to be made. it feels so low though

                Considering that an all-class misc like the View is being priced at 3700, Antlers around ~3000 and Scorching TC at ~1600, this is still insanely high. But if some people are willing to pay 5000+ keys, then it's worth that much.


                Anyways, the suggestion seems fine.

                  b. view's price is outdated and pretty wrong due to key/bud price changes. + recently someone unboxed that and sharked by venom. venom sold that view. hard to track histories but will definetly drop the price (pretty sure someone will say it was a quicksell) what about b. polar? worth 2235 keys. you forgot to mention about it. also burning antlers was not worh 3000 keys if you go back 4 months. also you can't compare hats vs miscs as all-class miscs are pretty ugly (for me). even they are not they use 1 item slot which is pretty bad if you have some cosmetics to wear with your hat + unusualmisc. miscs are useful for double or triple effects or if you have an item without unusual quality you can use them as you know.

                    Venom resold the Burning View for 3700 keys in pure + pans, so yeah, all that Reddit wall of text about "buds/keys conversion", "View is no longer 1/1", "trading is dead", was a nonsense.


                    Yeah, i forgot about the Polar, which is probably the best misc in-game given that it can barely be seen while wearing it with other hats. It just doesn't make sense that the Burning TC is worth ~3000 keys more than all-class miscs with the same effect. But that's just an opinion and it has nothing to do with the validity of this suggestion.

                      Did not know about that view sale. Pretty good sale tough. Had an arcana view and could not wear with any skull due to complications. So i dont like view a lot..

                      Polar “was” a best misc for me when compared with other all-class miscs. But in real it looks like this: http://i.imgur.com/Vebinkn.png or http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/272849658874999721/28BA8628E36D54F7945DF0CC87482B677D338F5F/


                      also its ok we are just talking here.


                      also another funny thing happened that people dont know about it. arcana view price update. they updated arcana views price using duped misc sales yet people did not know about its being duplicated as the 2nd one locked in private bp.2 avaliable. 1 is duped, otherone is clean that i've owned.

                        Well, we can agree that it looks a bit weird. My point is that having the chance of wearing it with all classes and other hats for half the price makes it more interesting. It's just a matter of taste.


                        And i haven't disliked any comment here. Someone else is having fun with the dislike button.

                          i pointed out about those dislikes on my first post. "also would like to know why"x" amount of people disliked this. do i care? yeah want to know them and their reasons if possible thats about it."


                          its not helpful to anyone by discussing tastes but yeah its weird and ugly for me. and i get what you are talking about but its not like that. hats vs miscs should not be compared. also its kinda useless that comparing different hats with same effects like schorch ke vs cone, mohawk, boa etc. ke is the most expensive one. they have the hype, and collectors buy burnings and never sell them. thats why if someone wants to buy that specific hat with that burning effect they pay what the owner asks for it. thats about it. thats why a simple hat is more expensive than any misc or any new hat.

                            Your posts have barely anything to do with the PRICE suggestion, if you wanna discuss your topics further use the forums please.

                Are we sure cash wasn't involved or something? If we are certain this is the full trade, then you have my upvote, it just seems a little low to me.

                  i asked a. and he said it was just the pans

                    Well, that would be the one person in that trade that I would trust. Upvote from me!

                      Likewise. Upvote from me.

                        A says differently now, do you have a screenshot of your conversation maybe?

                          he is saying differently now, so i may have just misunderstood him.

                            I don't know whats there to misunderstand.

                              well either way, they don't want the TC to be priced apparently. idk why though

                                Obviously because it's dropping in value.

                                  apparently lots of paypal was involved, and it would cap at 8000. he won't say how much though

                                    That's obviously not true. Otherwise we would have the new owner/broker/seller pricing this thing with all the Paypal proof. I mean, why aren't they providing proof if that means that the hat will be priced higher? It's a win-win situation for everyone, the hat gets priced correctly and the owner would be happy.

                                    We do not care if it drops in value tbh, if u want to pass this suggestion go ahead. But you know it is not a correct representation of the price of the hat and the people who own it will not be very happy, my buyer honestly does not give a shit. So go ahead and accept the price suggestion if u want to lower it without sufficient proof, since ure a mod anyway.

                        How long was it on sale for? Was it possibly a quick sell or was it on sale for a long time? Was cash involved? Neutral for now.

                          It was up for sale for months. Not all the time but most of it.

                            Definitely not a quicksale then. Thanks for input.

                            Hard to tell because the other guy is banned on OP


                            Edit: Well

                            Should Rick James sales be used since he a scammer/shark peice of shit ?

                            Edit: http://i.imgur.com/TtuLthy.png felt appropriate to post this here

                              As much as I think people like Rick should be marked on Steamrep, he ISN'T marked so technically the way I understand it, backpack.tf will allow the sale. Again, I disagree entirely but the site doesn't forbid trades with sharkers from being valid (Unless the hat has actually been sharked by the sharker, in which case they call it an outlier, but I digress), so I guess this is valid.

                              Looks good upvoted

                                  I'm sure it can sell for more than this in unusuals, but this is an all pure sale. This was on the market for months and is probably close to its value in pure. The mass-duped burning TCs getting traded around more frequently now that users aren't getting automatically banned is probably hurting the value on the clean versions.