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JOIN THE #TF:GO BANDWAGON!


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Only Sale

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25937815 Sold with OF Cranium for GE Mancer + 5.5 keys

Glory and Cranium had no trade, presuming offered

B/O for Mancer was 150


X + 8.5 = 132.5 + 5.5

X = 132.5 - 3

X = 130


Cranium https://backpack.tf/item/1847077573

Mancer https://backpack.tf/item/212841803

Wraith https://backpack.tf/item/3271371663

Metal + Keys http://gyazo.com/efe9ce375daff0241f791e3e064b0e44


Seller

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26243822 100 keys, low end

    There was another sale. I bought it for a bonzo danger but the guy added 20 Keys. The danger has offers of ~195 in unusuals and 200 pure buyout. :)

      B/Os =/= Price

        Ok..... so his BO is QS so who cares? You cant price with that. If you wanna go by BO then the danger now has 200 pure BO

          You're welcome to counter me


          But he still hasn't sold it at his 100 key B/O


          And we all care

            No problem for countering you, really, It is my pleasure.


            So? Plenty of people have insanely low prices on their unusuals and still have not sold them. .exekutiv is selling a Secret TC which can go for around 950 in unusuals for only 550 pure and another guy is selling his for half price in PayPal so PLENTY of people with super low prices that are fair and good deals don't get it. They just have not had the time for someone with the right amount of pure who also wants their unusual to come along. He hasn't had it posted for Quicksell much longer than 1 week.


            Well, "we all" shouldn't care really. His QUICKSELL buyout is 100 Keys. What can you price using a Quicksell price besides what it is above. I agree you can sometimes price with normal buyouts but not with Quicksell.

              Calling something a quicksell doesn't mean it's a quicksell


              And the fact he has no offers on the Wraith would outwardly prove it's not a true quicksell


              As for your counter, go ahead and counter me. All i see now is a bunch of words but no kutspah


              >_>

                Actually if he is discounting it and his previous B/O was 175 and now it is 100 and he says it is a Quicksell. Then yes, it is a Quicksell. Freakin discounting an item just for pure from its accepted price in the economy is an exact Quicksell.


                umm... I know you said you just saw a bunch of words but maybe you should actually read them before disregarding them. Or just don't disregard them at all.


                I am countering you. Read my previous statement, The words have meaning you know. "Kutspah"?


                =)

                  and just to clean this up... You are basing whether his is a Quicksell or not off of YOUR price suggestion. your UNACCEPTED price suggestion.? *drops headset* *walks away*

                    What does an unaccepted price suggestion have anything to do with the validity of the suggestion?


                    For all i know what you're saying is just a bunch of spam since you don't want this hat to drop

                      First off I just want to ask something. Why are there 2 downvotes on every comment I make and 1 up vote for all of yours. Definitely no other account you have where you and the alt down vote me and alt pivoted you, right....


                      Anyways


                      I am not saying the validity of the suggestion has anything to do with it being accepted or not. I am saying that if your price suggestion was right, then you could use it to determine whether t was a qs but it's not so don't try to. It is a quicksell and of you don't know why. Go back and read all that "spam" as you call it. There is actually sense in there.its not spam. You may have less word but yours is the spam. I am defending my hat because some people like you to make price suggestions that claim that there is only one sale. I already told you there was another and it is WAY more recent and you just ignored it.


                        Tl:dr version - you are not including the sale I informed you of and that was slot more recent.


                        (Sorry if I sound mean in any way, It's not personal) :)

                          If i wanted to include a complex sale it'd result in an innaccurate value. I just researched the Bonzo Danger to find that there is a sale for a Shadows Private + Frost Whirly, which is about 130 keys w/ overpay provided a mini on the Private drops it.

                          Even then it sold with 20 keys to result in a sale at ~110, there is no difference in the sale.

                            Warrior was 80 and private was bought for 90 on three last sales prior to it. And the Bondi danger is outdated so you would need a mini. And he currently has offers of around 195 in unusual s and 200 pure buyout. And complex? You have so many price suggests you can add 1 sale to this one.

                              What are the "195 in Unusuals" offers the Bonzo Danger is getting, have you shown any proof of that first?

                                Here is another sale for green energy pyromancer's mask and guy added. -


                                Mancer's history - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25937815

                                Wrap history -http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26037085


                                Bonzo offer - it was a private offer when someone was trying to help sell it but I can get the helper to reaffirm what I am saying that he was offered a burning front (~195).


                                Point is, you should have done more research to find the other sales. Especially the bonzo which is most recent. If mini is needed for manager's then it recently sold for burning tossle. I will get proof later.

                                  I am such an idiot, please ignore the entire first part of that but my point remains you are forgetting the Bonzo trade and claiming there is 1 sale. Also, if you want to go by Buyouts. Then why can I not use the Danger Buyout for this? Then just include that in here. 200*.9 = 180 - ~20 = 160. So why could you not just have the Danger Sale as that. Wouldn't that be fair? And then if you want you can include your Quicksell price as well. then the other actual sale would fall in the middle. So 100-160 and that would match it up with all the sales.

                                    http://backpack.tf/vote/id/55967158dea9e999428b459e I'll leave this here and walk away

                                      You realize that it doesn't matter what you price the danger at because you are using this Wraith Wrap to price it so you can not even consider what it is priced at seeing as how you priced it. And are you just going to ignore the offers that are the most recent for it since it is 1 of 1. Recently offered ~200? Does that not matter?

                                        And also the offers at his 175 BO were around 175 when sooo horny was seling it for that. Then he is QS it but it should not really matter because TONS of super loq quicksells take a while because the person has to be interested and have the pure readily available

                                          You do realize you are only repeating yourself over and over, right?


                                          I can't be bothered to have a chicken fight with someone who doesn't read or understand what he is talking about.


                                          Revised Bonzo Danger http://backpack.tf/vote/id/55a75261ba8d88511a8b48e9 131 keys, 131*0.9 = 118 keys, enforces this range

                                            I am saying you should use the danger to price he wrap. Not the wrap to price the danger.

                                              Fair Price for both

                                                The range wouldn't be any different it would still fall around the 130 keys mark.

                                                    Not if you updated the Danger. The offer of 200 was there but you don't seem to care but there was another offer more recently for a Dead Presidents Veil. Outdated at 365 but still goes fro well over 300. so that's definitely matching his 200 keys pure or more in unusuals B/O. An offer that high so recently should say something. Last 2 people has 200 pure b/o and received well over that in offers. http://gyazo.com/6d60aca564bbf88d4449c86da75a785f

                                                      And there was also a sale for a Secret Cosa + 20 or so Keys. That's matching your b/o but I can grantee you that he ain't letting it go for the bp price on the cosa. The guy had a 200-250 b/o and so did the guy before him. So it was accepted around 200 or so for the cosa and he added 20 for the Bonzo. That should say something.

                                                        Just priced the Cosa, now it's 139 keys.


                                                        The Veil was duped and outdated and with a Clean B/O of 200 on the market as we speak for the Veil it isn't worth anywhere NEAR 300.

                                                          In the past 2 weeks alone, the Costa has had buyouts of 200,220-250 and all have sold them. For the danger, he added 20 Keys to the cosa. Obviously if you combine the offers it is receiving with sales and what the buyers and sellers value it at. It is Definitely not that low. And as far as the cosa being 136. I'd like to see you try to pry it from one of the owners for 136.


                                                          Ok, well that is still 180 key offer with overpay on it and the veil is 300 clean. Only reason seeker is selling at that is because duped. So 180 offer for that, 170 offer with overpay on the front runner. Clearly people are paying more.

                                                            What Front Runner?


                                                            300 clean? With a B/O at 200 i don't think it is 300 clean. Being Duped makes it worth even less, do you realize the logic behind what i'm saying? No? Is that why you're trying your hardest to derail logic?


                                                            Who is paying more. Who offered "200", i want proof, hard quality proof as opposed to just words.

                                                              in response to your whole last message: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b6/87/bb/b687bbdc627516009b962bd003606a1d.jpg


                                                              I asked ThemDangDucks and the offer was private on a trade server for the Front Runner so not exactly sure how to prove it. I may see if she can come here or something.


                                                              "300 Clean" That means Clean ones go for 300. EXACTLY! The point is that it was duped so he is only taking 200. I don't know why I brought up the 300 for clean ones since we are only dealing with a duped version. So duped is asking 200. Clean is asking 300. Seems reasonable. So that's a 180 offer with overpay. I do realize Logic. I wrote that late last night so sorry for the confusing words.


                                                              I said he was offered that because he sold it for that so I guess I should have said he sold it for that instead.I did say that he was offered the Veil which is definitely a 180 at least offer most recently. In addition to the Cosa having the last 2 sellers looking for over 200 and both of them sold it and they added 20 for the Danger so that is definitely a solid 200.


                                                              To sum up, bp.tf is about showing what the community values it at. If the people buying and selling them won't sell it or buy it for that. Why price it at that? Seems kind of pointless to just have bp.tf claim that it is this, while no one is selling it for that. And I have showed you the proof already of his offers and the fact of the sales. If you are not going to look at that then I don't know what to do.


                                                              I am playing and trading to have fun in this game and this is not necessary and is a burden to keep replying so I am not sure if I will even continue responding to these posts.

                                                                If you don't want to click on the link, it is just a meme from Drake and Josh with Josh saying "Whoa! Take it easy man" defensively. =/

                                                                  If you keep saying that Clean DP Veil is 300 then you clearly are not researching enough


                                                                  http://backpack.tf/item/1775256592 B/O of 200, unsold for almost a year, and that one is CLEAN.


                                                                  When the DP Veil is updated i'll make a judgement based on the offer but for now t's as useless as a knife to eat spaghetti


                                                                  It's a broken record all over again, and i suggest you stop responding to these posts and let us do our job

                                                                    Will respond in morning. Too tired and don't want to slip up and have to fix in morning.

                                                                      Sorry, must have missed that. I just checked Outpost and normal trade advertising sites. forgot bp.tf has that classifieds thing. It appears he is an alt account of a guy banned from Outpost and since it is not on Outpost and only on bp.tf classifieds explains why it has not sold. But, since you apparently think that it should lower clean down to 200 even though most people are selling fro 300 then this one alt wants this, let's go with that.


                                                                      Even at 200 for Clean, that still means that we should make that a low end of it's price since it is an unsold Quicksell it should be well over 200 but for the sake of argument I will allow your fantasy of underpricing hats to come true and say it is 200.


                                                                      Clean is 200 (according to you), so subtract 10% for being duped = 180. 180 with overpay is 162. Then overpay since payed for wrap is 145.


                                                                      A range of 100-130-145 would be better since it includes all the sales. not as you state "the only sale". LOL srsly? how much research did you do on this to say this has 1 sale. Obviously there is more.


                                                                      At this point you are just dirt throwing. Prove your point and move on. Stop the cheesy remarks after everything. I honestly hate price suggestions and find them annoying, boring, and repulsive. But it is my job to try to stop hats from beign underpriced. I already find it ridiculous the way people do it now a days and make pricing hats like a career.


                                                                      I honestly expected a Brony to be a lot nicer based on your profile. I guess your profile is just for show.


                                                                      I honestly don't care at all for this anymore. I am going to sell this for my price, not yours. You can keep underpricing and being ignorant of pricing this hat but I just am here to defend my hat. Not to argue. I am just going to spend my time somewhere else.


                                                                      Cya

              Those are quicksell prices and especially at this broken economy quicksell still dont cout as proof it the trade snt older then 2 weeks - 1 month. Try to sell a firstgen high tier hat for 50% of the price and you would need days which took you half a year ago 1 bump .

              But this suggestion will take 2 weeks to accept anyways if i havent sold it till then ten the price would be right but not atm

                The owners of the hat are never going to sell it for this obviously so why even price it at this?

                  Im one of this owners btw...

                    I know....yours is a Quicksell price so I don't think we are counting what you sell it for as agreeable price but the other owners *like me* are also looking to QS for 105... that does not defend this price. I am looking to get 100 pure or 170 in unusuals which is less than I paid.

              Someone tell me if I should be scared or excited.

              One week for 100 keys is short.


              The trade must have a reasonable time to mature (and must be reasonably bumped). What is reasonable varies from hat to hat. A good rule of thumb is to go by roughly 25 keys per week. So a trade for a hat <25 keys in value must be up for at least a week. A trade for a hat <50 keys must be up for at least 2 weeks. A trade for a hat <75 keys must be up for at least 3 weeks. For all other hats, the trade must be up for at least a month in order to price them based off the b/o.


              If the hat isn't sold 1-2 weeks, I don't think there would be a problem with this suggestion.

                With basing it off a quicksell buyout? So you are counting his quicksell buyout for this and not another recent sale and then another one involving the mancer's?

                  With basing it off a quicksell buyout? So you are counting his quicksell buyout for this and not another recent sale and then another one involving the mancer's?

                    sorry, don't know what happened there. repeat :p

                      It has been unsold for 2 weeks; that is not a quicksell at all.


                      A suggestion for the Bonzo Danger sale is up. 2 other sales for the Danger is pretty strong, and that would put this hat's value just a bit below 100.

                        ok then. I don't agree that because it has not been sold for 2 weeks that it's not a QS but I don't think my opinion changes anything because of Danger.

                          A trade for a hat <75 keys must be up for at least 3 weeks. For all other hats, the trade must be up for at least a month in order to price them based off the b/o.


                          If the hat isn't sold 1-2 weeks, I don't think there would be a problem with this suggestion.


                          If the hat is 100 keys+ you need 1 month to not count it as a quicksell but , yo ucna count my price after 2 weeks as not a quicksell.

                          Damn trading is so hard , understanding this epic logix is impossible. I should better kill myself

                          (For IQ<room°C this is called sarcasm )

                            If the hat isn't sold in 1-2 weeks*


                            Calm down.

                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26243822 the 100 keys seller hasn't sold in a month now. The low end is valid.


                      The high end may still be high but better to be conservative here. Accepting this.