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Huge thanks to Jacobmeister for all the help.
unsolds at 14 keys+:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23929008
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23870225
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23892853
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23935889
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23766514
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23914805
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23796013 (1 has sold)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23864101
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23797204
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23867907
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23839817
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23929119
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23972943
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23992484
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23901008
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23989118
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23915414
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23972515
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23866476
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23960663
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23861146
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23976340
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23991268
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23967285
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21218298
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21767448
sales:
13 keys:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23790699
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23995037
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23998785
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23819291
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23993821
13.1 keys:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23938554 (2 sold)
13.2 keys:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23996727
13.3 keys:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24001950
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23870225
13.4 keys:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23537380
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23999302
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23937817
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21899213
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23987954
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23974438
13.5 keys:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23949338
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23967942
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13168732
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23628569
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23949338
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23967588
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23868049
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24001917
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23523800
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23999354 (maybe 13 too?)
13.8 keys:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23465372
As kusztelson said "These are only the newest and the best bumped trades. Of course there are more people selling this, but alone i cannot catch them all"
I am going to search furthermore for support proof
EDIT:
more buds at 13.5:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24002029
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20033620
Of your 13 key Flat Sellers:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23790699 0 buds in stock
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23995037 Good
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23998785 Good
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23819291 Gifted
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23993821 0 Buds in stock
13.1 Seller
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23938554 0 Buds in stock (and no keys dunno what's up there)
13.2 Seller:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23996727 0 Buds in stock
oh, thank you for pointing that out man
2nd link he got 3 adds , 3rd link sold , so i don't believe there is a proof at 13 flat , this suggestin just proved how quickly they sell , so 13.5 flat is the fair price for now imo.
They could be on SCM tho, there are usually not that many troll bud trades.
the ones i pointed out that had 0 in stock are now closed trades.
More proof bought 7 buds at 12 keys + 6 ref a few days ago:
http://i.imgur.com/BCmeCmx.png
http://i.imgur.com/MwIb9IK.png
quickbuying isn't really considered proof here swag.
That's not quickbuying, I paid 1.5 keys below market price, quickbuying would be overpaying to get the items fast which is the exact opposite.
the use of the term quickbuying in tf2 trading is commonly used to mean paying under market value for items to provide sellers with pure quickly. A quick google search shows that the term means the same exact thing in the Housing market as well. In fact I can't find a single use of the term with your definition. Made up language such as "quickbuying" is determined by it's usage.
"paying under market value for items to provide sellers with pure quickly"
Everyone is paying pure for buds, plus who decides what is a quickbuy and what isn't? Is that some sort of made up rule to fix the prices and basically cherry pick whatever proof suits one's agenda, or is there a secret tool to read people minds and determine their urge to get pure?
It has to do with you actively buying many multiple buds and continuing to buy even after you have bought quite a few. http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/969-psa-how-to-help-identify-quicksell-buyer-trades/
http://i.imgur.com/9yk4qlo.png You're looking to buy 36 more instantly.
Normal traders aren't buying buds in MASS
Thanks for the information, although I can only wonder at the logic that motivates discarding trades that actually took place, I might do my own spreadsheet one day... oh wait I did :p
even your own spreadsheet shows 12 keys 6 ref as about .8 of a key below low median
Yes but the median takes 12 keys 6 ref into account like any other trade, that's the difference. Obviously it's a median not a min.
but you can understand why it shouldn't be included in any reasonable range here where no medians are taken.
I am in full favor of buds going down for my personal gain.
But, 13 is kinda a quicksale at the moment.
http://puu.sh/dmH4q/c5b66b860a.png (pro notepad censoring skills)
Loads of offers a short space of time after putting on classifieds.
good proof upvote!
buyers at 13 keys:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23992068
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23928786 (13.1)Edit: Just Closed as i made this commenthttp://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17277673
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23977163Closed after this comment madehttp://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23993192
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23983747
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23998181
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23963538
From the looks of it, they get quite a bit of business.
Buyers are still buyers. The first few are looking for multiple buds as well. And if you read above most of the 13 key sellers are sold out.
There's more than enough proof for 13.5 to be at least part of the range if not 13.5 flat. But 13 is still a bit of a quicksell.
I agree completely, but there still are lots of 13 sales. Safest to at least do 13.5 flat
if this fails i will re-suggest at 13.5
I would just re-suggest right now, before some other kids tries to counter-suggest.
naw, i wanna see how this plays out
People really need to stop using these prices as a bible, if you keep undercutting, the price will keep dropping, be patient children..
Stop sniffing >_>
think of it like this, if your bp stays the same, and buds drop, uour inv will be worth more buds, and stuf worth key+ will have more metal value (but R.I.P ref metal prices)
That makes almost no sense, if buds keep dropping, what will happen to unusuals?
Because if buds go to a key, and my tc is 23 buds, you'd be selling a tc for 23 keys or burning tc for 100 keys ($250)
eh...tons of proofs, and is true, i see a lot of sellers at 13-13.5 keys...upvote
Classifieds, don't forget classifieds. 2.5 pages of buds under 13.5 keys.
I have personally bought quite a few buds for 13 keys. 13 keys seems to sell a bit quickly, whereas 13.5 has lots of competition. The range of 13-13.5 looks good. Upvote.
Just read the comment above lol. Yeah, I think a suggestion for 13.5 would be safer and more conservative. I think it has a much higher chance of passing.
Too bad 13.5 is not what they are worth. They are easily 13 keys. I bought 20 with rather ease and 10 were from one one and he actually had more. The reason sooo many people are selling at 13.5 is because backpack is still at 14. It makes it look like their price is lower than average and they might get some sales.
I contradict. The fact that those 13.5 sellers are able to sell means there is still quantity demanded at 13.5 keys and there is not enough supply of buds at 13 keys.
There are few sellers at 13 , and they sell pretty fast , 13.5 flat is good imo for now.
nice proof. I will upvote
good proof, upvote
Bought 7 at 12 keys + 6 ref today.
screenshot would help
Yeah I bought using trade.tf mybot and didn't screenshot the logs, it's not like it matters anyway since it's outside the proposed range.
don't need to screenshot the logs, screenshot your inventory history
2nd 3rd and last link for 13 keys quicksold
The suggestion is good. Can we please stop using these things to measure other items of higher caliber? Evrything drops to mediocre prices once buds drop. For instance look at max heads or unusuals. Keys should only be applied to measuring high end items. Not other items. Until then. Upvote on the OP.
Nice proof dude! Upboatin in the suuuun.
You guys think they're actually gonna pull back up? i have a feeling this is that one time they don't go back to 20 keys
Good proof m80! Upboat.
14 keys is unsold?
13.5-14 keys would be better?
13 keys is qs?
Sure are draggin their feet on this one.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24013708#latest
4 sold in 20 mins. Total of 7 people added me to buy them and 3 trade offers.
Scrap. tf sells them for 13 keys. Not a quicksell at all bro. You don't even have to search just go to scrap.tf and buy it plain and simple. I believe the suggestion is way more than generous it should actually be (prepared for the dislikes on this one) about 12.5-13 keys IMHO.
scrap does this all the time
well they are heavily inflated...
bought 26 buds today at 13 without too much trouble. The quantity trades were both open for a couple hours before I added. The guy with 9 had sold 2 in that time.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23992484 7
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24048485 10
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24046549
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24038286 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24044247
you seem to have bought all that were openly available for that price. I can't find a single one listed on outpost at 13 keys that actually still has the bud.
The low range is too low
Downvoting this only because 13-14 range is better. Yes, there are unsolds at 14 keys, but there are still a lot of them sold at 14 keys.
I will, however, upvote the other suggestion.
right now the key price is 12.66 or $2.22 USD, since keys are worth around $2.50, then they should be closing in on what they are supposed to be worth. i calculated what they should be worth since ref is $0.175, keys should be 14.28 ref
Tell Jacobmeister that he looked like he helped alot and we appreciate it. Upvote for them proofs.
Way better proof than me mate. Upvote.
thats why the markets crashing, that price is shit downvote
Only downvote if the proof is shit, not because you think that the economy is going down the drain.
This bot is selling keys for 13.5 keys (and they have quite a bit of stock): http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198105725159
I sold earbuds about 3-4 pair. 3-4 days ago for 14 keys each. can be done screenshots trades, if need
Selling for $29.99 on scm ~ 12.25 keys
Upvote