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Refined Metal
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Hello there everyone. Hope you all are doing great! ^_^


Sellers at $0.19


http://tf2-trader.com/index.php?topic=28836.0 --> Over 190 refined metal in stock. Also selling for $0.18 if 500 or more refined metal is bought.

--- Outpost trade : http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23186301

http://tf2-trader.com/index.php?topic=26344.0 --> Over 430 refined metal in stock.

--- Outpost trade : http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16142610

--- Soureop thread : http://forums.sourceop.com/threads/157126-TF2-refs-0-19-USD

http://tf2-trader.com/index.php?topic=28547.0 --> Selling for $0.18?


http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23552480 --> $0.19 ; Has around 5.00 ref in stock at the moment.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22834011 --> $0.19 ; Has around 560ish ref in stock

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22995927 --> $0.19 ; Has around 95ish ref in stock at the moment.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23584682 --> $0.19 ; Has over 100 ref in stock at the moment. Newish rep thread?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20125821 --> $0.185 ; Has around 120ish in stock.


Sellers at $0.20 - $0.21


http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15565942 --> $0.21 ; Has around 305 ref in stock at the moment.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23471646 --> $0.21 ; Has about 90ish ref in stock at the moment.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23509463 --> $0.21 : Has about 9.00 ref in stock at the moment.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23151118 --> $0.21 ; Has over 500 on an alt account.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22539640 --> $0.20 ; Has over 50 ref in stock at the moment.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23506973 --> $0.20 ; Has around 375ish ref in stock at the moment.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23598272 --> $0.20 ; Has 10.00 ref in stock at the moment. Also selling for $0.19 if buying >50

--- Sourceop thread : http://forums.sourceop.com/threads/162327-Metal-0-19-Keys-1-88

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23531731 --> $0.20 ; Has over 50 in stock at the moment. No rep thread provided or can be tracked.


http://forums.sourceop.com/threads/162464-Refined-Metals-0-20-each-!-(Paypal) --> $0.20 (New)


Unsold at $0.22 - $0.23


http://tf2-trader.com/index.php?topic=31554.0 --> $0.23


http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23452126 --> $0.22

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23452126 --> $0.22


http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14901748 --> Not sure how much this is, any help would be appreciated.

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Conclusion : $.0.19 - $0.21 seems to be most common now.

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Add : From the looks of it, $0.19 - $0.21 are most commonly available. Hardly any sellers above the new suggested high end.

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Add 2 : Posted all available sellers.

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Add 3 : Refined to Real World Currency market is very small compared to other currencies. Please keep that in mind.

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Add 4 : If I posted any dupe links or missed out anything, please let me know. Thank you.

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Feel free to hate, support or give good counter-proof.

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Thanks to all Supporters, Moderators, Haters, Highballers, Lowballers, Politicians, Governors, Presidents, Electors and Aliens obviously

    good proof and all man, but Im scared that tf2 items will be worth less compared to other games on the steam market... Somebody reply if I shouldn't be worrying about that...

      Not sure why it would be worthless. The only thing being inflated here is the metal thus it keeps going down. Until or unless Valve throws out another metal chewing update or does something to show significance use of metal this will come to a halt or start to rise, if not... It will go down perhaps even more and then stabilize

        thanks for clearing that up for me ; ) I am happy knowing my steam wealth is safe haha

          Btw, tf2 stuff is like way more than other games, except maybe csgo. I know that for stuff that's like pretty good in dota 2 is like nothing in tf2, so yeah.

          Yes, VALVe needs to release another update that involves a lot of metal being crafted... there's too much of it in the system.

            Craftable MVM tickets, boom.

            Set price for Keys, all problems solved.

              Crash of australiums, boom.

              No.

                Nah, Aussiums wouldn't crash, at all.

                MVM costs 4.33 ref anyway, a craft price of 4.33 would mean it's exactly the same..

                  craftable tickets means more mvm players because easier access to tickets. more mvm players means more australium drops. More drops means more aussies in the market. More supply means lesser prices. Clear enough?

                    Well, it should be metal chewing, so it should be higher. Valve doesn't look like they want F2Ps to play MVM

                      They don't. Tickets are the second main way that Valve actually profits from TF2. Craftable tickets means nobody buys tickets from the store.

                        They just need another high-demand-non-event item that can be crafted with metal. I was thinking that a sort of "lesser" version of unboxing would be cool. Like having a new item quality that's not as good as unusual, but rare enough so that it has some value.

                          Craftable grey paint.

                          All problems solved, all logic there.


                          rip

                          I think I just stumped on myself. I meant they don't want F2Ps to play MVM, and they should have metal chewing items. So maybe like craft able "Chance" things. Like the cauldrons they have right now, or the pile of curses, but like 2 ref each, and you get some cool stuff.

                heh. good proof and all. yippie kai yay! but fellas, what will happen to hats being sold for a couple of refs? i think i will be able to buy dozens of hats for 1 key very soon. hats will be worth nothing in just a few months. backpack.tf is unfortunately being ruled by a group of traders who set the trend and makes the economy jiggle and wiggle. my prediction: backpack.tf will not be the ultimate reference for exchange rate key to refs much longer. hectic and erratic changes in prices never made any sense on here. for me, it's great news - i will wait until a key is worth 15 refs in a few weeks and then stuff my inventory with a ton of cheap hats off the poor sellers and those who invested a lot in unboxing crates and crafting. YIPPIE KAI YAY!!! UPVOTE!

                  If only everything could stay the way it is...

                    Capitalism, Mmmmmm, Can you smell it?

                  Well, RIP my bp. Reluctant upvote

                    I think you should include buyers too


                    there are actually a lot of 19 cent buyers, and also some 20 cent buyers on outpost

                      Not sure where you have came up with that from. I see no buyers at 19 or 20 on Outpost. Even if there were any buyers at those prices, those shouldn't contradict with my suggested price because there are reasonable amount of selllers willing to sell at my suggested price. If there were a "lot of buyers" at my suggested price as you claim, then that would be another case but there isn't any.


                      Only buyer I could find is this one :

                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23315836 --> But he has terms and conditions and wants do to in installments?


                      All the rest are buying at $0.16 - $0.18

                        Last time I checked (like a week or 2 ago) there were still plenty of 19 - 20 cent buyers

                        Didnt think they'd all be gone by now, my bad :/

                          Its perfectly fine, no worries. ^-^ Perhaps 2 weeks ago but market changed now. :P

                      Ref is going to end like in $0.15-$0.18 or less. :'u


                      Keys x Keys and Gibus x Gibus, or Hat x Hat.

                      I don't know.

                        http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14901748 (The one you were confused on) is selling for $.19

                        And the trade is 1 Year old.


                        Your Unsold .22 Trades are the same.


                        Find some more unsolds, please. <3

                          proof works, upboat

                            That is good.

                              I wish metal was on the steam market, because then my master plan could commence >:D


                              Reluctant upvote from me.

                                Good proof, upvote

                                  You looked at it all in only a minute?

                                    How'd you check all the links in under a minute?

                                      super awesome brain you got there, lets you check all the proof in 25 seconds

                                        He's Stephen Hawking breh.

                                      After checking the,rest of the proof, I say again good,proof

                                        (slow clap)

                                        AH GAWD. He's starting again...

                                          Who me? Starting what?

                                            gg. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

                                            I was referring to the multiple, tedious cycles in which you resuggest with fruitless results regarding the price of refined metal.

                                              Oh, thank you. You have to admit that I was correct on all of them (my range might not have been correct before, but I was close enough though). I only suggest when a drop or raise is actually needed. Also, hardly anyone suggest ref suggestions, not sure why.

                                                I'm not here to start an argument; I do, in fact, believe that you are very good at completing these suggestions. The cycle of refined metal lowering always prompts key rising: something unpleasant to many. But it does all balance out, as keys rise to compensate for lowering ref. In summary, keep up the good work.

                                                  I honestly only think it's because people don't want to have to handle the pressure/insults it would bring if they did it incorrectly.

                                            Brace yourselves for your $ value to drop.

                                              Wish it was 20 cents just to make it simple but eh..

                                                I'd be lying if I said that I don't expect you to get so much hate for this on this suggestion alone


                                                However, economics state that Free things always fall and PayToUse things always rise

                                                + your proof is impeccable as always


                                                <3

                                                  I've heard rumors of a standardization act for refined metal. Anyone else have news on that?

                                                    do you have a source to this? I'm actually quite interested in this.

                                                      I heard rumors on a trade server. That's about it. A ton of people want the act to happen to stop key price gouging. It is pretty logical, easy to calculate, and keeps the economy at a flatline (In a good way, don't worry). There was also a guide that publicized the idea; I think it was something like "The coming economic crash and how to avoid it."

                                                        Huh, alright. Thank you for the info!

                                                          I edited more info into my previous comment, but hey, the idea is a shot in the dark right now.

                                                            An idea to reduce Ref in the game is the Chem sets #3, the other chems only recycled metal


                                                            Bread Boxes too

                                                    I would love to see where and what that is, can you link it to us?

                                                >sees refined metal suggestion

                                                Ah, Alright. Free rep time. Who's it going to be?

                                                >Plaxorous

                                                RUN TO THE BUNKER, OUR BACKPACK VALUES ARE IN DANGER! *prison alarm*

                                                  That's... Pretty accurate, actually.

                                                  Says you... you only have 4 ref....

                                                  I have over 200 of the stuff

                                                    Yeah, But the last time the refined metal suggestion got accepted, My bp went down by $30.


                                                    I'm not a rich trader.

                                                      What you fail to realize is that a drop in base currency causes everything to drop in value. My bp dropped $75 last metal suggestion.

                                                        Not really. You can sell an item worth 2 keys for $3.8 regardless of the ref's usd price. What matters is how much ref one key worth. bp.tf doesn't use usd for keys, that's why you saw you lost $75.

                                                          Not sure what you just tried to explain, but I am sure, based on feedback, it must have been reeeaaaallllyyy bad.

                                                        Now I have 22.33 ref.


                                                        *solly voice* Dear god..

                                                      From $4000 to $3000 in less than a month. GG me.

                                                      Ontopic: We all saw this coming with the keys going above 10 ref and such, and the proof's good as always. Uplorde.

                                                        Please note that backpack.tf is not responsible for any price drop of your backpack for we mearly state the reports of people buy/selling refined metal. On one hand..... you can "attempt" to murder the man who's reporting/droping the value's everyone's backpack. On the other hand, You can blame yourselves for lowering/raising the price on everything. so yea.

                                                          Well said sir, Well said.

                                                            ...Are you trying to sound important or something?...

                                                              If I say yes, will I be hunted and exceuted in trial?

                                                              And if so, by who? The people doing the pricing? or the people who report the prices?

                                                                Well, I do say that you indeed possess the ability to immensely utilize your skills in vocabulary (Spelling could use some work, but...), as I often do; I, as said to Plaxorous above, am not present to begin any fights, but to focus on the present argument that is this suggestion. I simply do not see the reason of vocabulary extension usage on topics such as this. Apologies if I have offended you, sir.

                                                                  Not sure what you mean by that. I wasn't trying to start any argument. XD

                                                          $0.02 drop per refined on average xD

                                                          Proof is fine

                                                          Upvote for me =D

                                                              DV, I'd really like to see more 'proof' for a suggestion so major.

                                                                There would be more proof if there were more sellers.

                                                                  trainrekt

                                                                  upvote good proof

                                                                    First you take oger over the key market, and now you move to ref.


                                                                    Well, anyways, proof is good, upvote.

                                                                      Sorry if I'm not supposed to ask questions here, but why is everything decreasing in value? D:

                                                                        because refined is essentially useless/worthless :u there's just too much of the stuff and the amount of it lying around is growing


                                                                        anything priced in ref will be dropping in value :<

                                                                          That is one thing that I fail to understand; keys are on par with rising refined at this point. Both are rising in quantity, and keys lowered and actually had some natural fluctuation in the Summer months. People continue to base the cause for lowering refined prices primarily on rising quantity. One part of the suggesting is the scarcity of people actually selling refined metal for real currency. If people sold keys for currency apart from the community market, that may cause rapid fluctuation in both refined metal and key prices, and THAT is something that I would love to experiment with.

                                                                            to explain rising key quantity, new/more players -> more keys around

                                                                            ^ works the same for metal

                                                                            but, keys have a "sink" (unboxing) that is used very often, refined does not. keys increase in quantity at a slower rate than refined :? these are my thoughts on the matter at least


                                                                            also people do sell keys for currency outside of the community market (see paypal trading)

                                                                              The key quantity continues to rise, regardless of unboxing usage (Because buyers that unbox and buyers that keep them both happen at once; just look at key stats), so I that can't be the reason. Anyone else who is reading these few comments have an idea?

                                                                          Keys are rising. Invest in keys.


                                                                          Ghastlierest Gibuses are rising. Invest in Gibuses.

                                                                                  These suggestions reflect the price at which people are selling. Don't blame the suggestor for the drop.

                                                                                  Keys are going up every week and if refined metal does so the same as buds are dropping it may seem that the economy is dying. If metal hits rock bottom all misc weapons will be worthless and common cosmetics will take their place. We need to slow down on these changes and really look at the big picture.

                                                                                    I have to say I don't have the foggiest idea what you are on about. Mind elaborating?

                                                                                      GG guys for the random negs. I'm asking a legitimate question.

                                                                                    R.I.P. Refs. New currency keys for keys lol

                                                                                      RIPfined metal

                                                                                      this is what happens when there is 2.8 million refined in existance.

                                                                                          I just got to 101 backpack value D: RIP Backpack 2013-2014

                                                                                            Great Proof, upgoat

                                                                                              I have over 100 ref ;'( ,good proof , upvote .

                                                                                                Considering a key costs $2.49 if we divide that by the current price of a key in refined (as of posting) we get $0.24-0.25

                                                                                                The fact that there are external websites shouldn't matter as the price should be calculated on the value of a key.

                                                                                                Based on the calculation shown above here are the values of the key in the 3 different currencies you can use in the Mann Co Store.

                                                                                                $ 0.24 - 0.25

                                                                                                £ 0.14 - 0.15

                                                                                                € 0.19 - 0.20

                                                                                                  The point of this price is to measure what metal is selling for on external websites. They're not looking to have a price tied to keys.

                                                                                                    This is like inception, except there is a bad suggestion inside of a fantastic one.

                                                                                                      I like how the metal suggestions are rather calm and controlled in terms of comments. It's nice to see.


                                                                                                      Upvote. Inflation. :(

                                                                                                        [Insert stupid paragraph that'd you see the idiots of backpack.tf posting]

                                                                                                        Good proof upboat.

                                                                                                        *Time to prepare for inflation*

                                                                                                          I think ref is going down in value, but you should include a little more sellers at 0.19$

                                                                                                            *Slowly claps*

                                                                                                            *Slowly presses the downvote button*

                                                                                                              You're going to get trainrekt with the score, son.

                                                                                                                We can downvote all we want, but it is the moderators' verdict.

                                                                                                                This is gonna drive the key prices up again...but oh well...upvote

                                                                                                                  Am I right that refined will drop but all small items which based on refs - rise? It might mean key rise in some time. Lower demand might compensate it and price might stabilize at some point. (Tell me if I am fooling around here xD)

                                                                                                                      Welp, there goes the value of my marketable items *sniff* it mak me cri evry tiem.


                                                                                                                      upthroat

                                                                                                                        O.o

                                                                                                                        Too much proof.

                                                                                                                        OH GAWD.

                                                                                                                        Ref is getting so cheap.

                                                                                                                        Upgoat.

                                                                                                                          Let's see, 20 cents is the new range, 22 is the current.

                                                                                                                          So 2 cents times my backpack value, 3154 ref, mmk.

                                                                                                                          60+ dollars.

                                                                                                                          Shiz. Gaben spare me free scrapbanks.

                                                                                                                          ALL THIS PROOF. I'M DROWNING IN IT.

                                                                                                                          On an unrelated note, is there a Spookwagen of backpack.tf?

                                                                                                                            Search for my earlier comments on other suggestions that gained so much hatred; I think Sp00kwagen would be proud.

                                                                                                                            *Sniff* Like everyone says... R.I.P. BP value... <;c

                                                                                                                            But, Upvote...

                                                                                                                                I used to have +200 refs and 3 keys but i just knew metal was gonna go down so i just bought 34 keys and now i have 20 refs. I'M READY

                                                                                                                                Aaaaanyway, good proof. Upvoting.

                                                                                                                                  I pretty much expected this price drop because of the absurd rise of key price, anyways i expect a drop on buds aswell, good proof, upvote

                                                                                                                                      upvote soo many empty spaces O_O

                                                                                                                                        Hopefully end of the line gives people a reason to get rid of there ref


                                                                                                                                        For now I give a reluctant upvote

                                                                                                                                          Well guys, there's inflation!


                                                                                                                                          Still upvoted because proofs

                                                                                                                                            Interdasting.. Upboat!

                                                                                                                                              Up voted. Proves are impressive.

                                                                                                                                                R.I.P Bp value 2014-2014


                                                                                                                                                Nice proof though ^-^

                                                                                                                                                  I see lots of 'don't shoot the messenger' comments on this one. You guys have to understand though... Bp.tf is more than a price guide these days. Bp.tf is used to set price standards that the majority of traders go by. The admins have to be very careful about votes like these because Bp votes are not just 'reports' on how the economy is doing, but directly influence a LOT of trading that is done in this game. A positive feedback loop between sellers changing their prices because of bp votes and bp users listing prices differently because of sellers changing them can easily happen. We are actually seeing that with keys right now. As soon as they get voted up a rec, people start asking a rec more than the newly upvoted price, which forces a new price upvote, which causes sellers to go even higher. Backpack is a double-edged tool that currently carries more weight than it should in the economy, and I hope the admins (and respectable users) are uitilizing their influence responsibly. So far I have my doubts.

                                                                                                                                                    i totally agree with u sir u said what i was thinkin of & yes like u i have my doubts

                                                                                                                                                      As every tool and means of getting the right thing done out there is getting abused and misused. I have keys and would love a steady price on keys but theyve been creeping up at least every 2 weeks to be fair due to the fact sellers sell their keys at a rec or even sometimes a ref higher indicating the price is wrong. Vote no= instant dislike, vote yes= instant pad on the back. Again, none of the things we say or do will change any of these suggestions so we must conform and provide "proof" to even get a minor attention. Ive read the rules inside and out so this is why i say to you sir with all due respect that our opinions are worth less than a scrap and will not change nowhere in shape or form the way the economy is or is going to be. You have to look at it from a bigger perspective as in real life, you think rallying up in front of the white house to make the economy better changes anything? Answer=nope. This is why we could sit here and debate for endless weeks why this happened or why is still going on. Truth of the matter is that its not the middle man in this case bp.tf but us as a community have failed to control whats happening in real life with the rich wanting to get richer and the poor only gets poorer. We even have bums in tf2 try going to a server and youll see people and never fails to have that one person asking for anything for free even crates. So, thats why everyone is now in sheep mode and conform and cant do anything but to upvote any of these currency changes. To the OP there is great amount of proof and take nothing away from him. Carry on guys :)

                                                                                                                                                        Actually, opinions matter quite a bit. Not sure why you are going on about how we must all conform, but you seem eager to be a sheep. Starting arguments aside... almost every trade server I have been to has price check plugins based on bp.tf listings that many traders use. Most classifieds sellers base their prices on listings, and many outpost sellers do. The factors that play into prices are numerous, and not analogous to real-world economies in the ways you pointed out in your 'white house demonstration' example. The one thing you are right about though, is that it is our willingness as a community of buyers and sellers to accept these prices is a large factor in this problem. The only real monetary tie this economy has to real-world ones is key value, which is why key prices are stable and ref prices are not. Ref is the concern here mate. Seeing you happily tell these people to carry on with artificially inflating prices of keys + a rec / week and that we all must conform to this tells me you are just as much a part of the problem as these guys forcing votes to boost their bp.tf rep. Side note: If our opinions don't matter, why did you take your time to read through these comments and then write that wall of text as a response to me? Why are any of us commenting at all?

                                                                                                                                                      up vote due to the proof

                                                                                                                                                        Upvoted. Hopes this will decrease the price of keys also.

                                                                                                                                                          Not very good at economics are you?

                                                                                                                                                            it will higher them up lol

                                                                                                                                                            Great proof there

                                                                                                                                                              Good proof, But like most people, I worry in there being a crash in the economy.

                                                                                                                                                                well its time to leave tf2 and play CSGO or Dota2. gg greedy fuks

                                                                                                                                                                  We`ll buy 1 refined for 1 scrap soon. ;)

                                                                                                                                                                    I once listed refined metal on backpack.tf for 1.33 and I got an offer for 1.11, with the notes "For the lols"

                                                                                                                                                                    In other words: LOGIC HAS ALREADY BEEN DEAD.

                                                                                                                                                                    So many proof, Upvoted. It is terrible how the inflation is increasing here.

                                                                                                                                                                      You know with all the proof around,

                                                                                                                                                                      Although this may be the start of the TF2 Stock market crash

                                                                                                                                                                      But anyways, I got to upvote

                                                                                                                                                                        We have a TF2 stock market now?


                                                                                                                                                                        I hear Bill's Hats Co. share prices are dropping rapidly...

                                                                                                                                                                        Herm Yeh I ike it Plaxorus (Upvote) :)

                                                                                                                                                                          As much as I don't want to upvote this since it'll cause inflation... dern it, Plaxor, why must you have so much proof? >.<;

                                                                                                                                                                            hay bitch. git sum fookin proof you damn econmy-shrker

                                                                                                                                                                              this will cause inflation guys but still there is much proof, upvote

                                                                                                                                                                                Am I the only person that noticed that TF2 trading only went downhill since this site and spreadsheet came into existence?

                                                                                                                                                                                  I've noticed people like you who have NO idea what benefits Backpack.tf bring to this community.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Most items worth 1ref cost around 0.23-0.26 on the market, with the exception of Demoman's Fro.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm scared of the inflation...

                                                                                                                                                                                    OFC I know whats happening. Its damn sad. But upvote, 0.20$ its most common accualy. WHATS HAPPENING ;-;

                                                                                                                                                                                      Year 2015 = Refined Metal 0,01$ ??? Really guys?

                                                                                                                                                                                        Actually pretty easy to find these for under .19

                                                                                                                                                                                        http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16142610

                                                                                                                                                                                        http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23651936

                                                                                                                                                                                        http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23506973

                                                                                                                                                                                        http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23650166

                                                                                                                                                                                        http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23186301


                                                                                                                                                                                        And loads and loads of .19-.20 sellers. Frankly, the range here is generous. This would put keys at $2.00 each via paypal when they are selling closer to 1.90 from the most reputable sellers. True metal value is realistically probably closer to .18-.19.


                                                                                                                                                                                        I see a lot of soapbox complaints here but few comments that actually address the validity of the suggestion and no comments that provide any sort of counterproof. We leave suggestions like these up for days to make sure we get the suggestion right. I don't see how anyone can complain with the suggested value.