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Haunted Freedom Feathers
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Current price is too low.

I recently sold 3 for 6 refined each, didn't take me more than a week.

http://i.imgur.com/YQg8EZ2.png


Would be even easier selling for 3 refined.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18221795 (buying for 3ref) http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17040237 (buying for 3 ref)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18348485 (buying for 3.33 ref)


Also these are being bought pretty regularly at or above $2USD steam market.

http://steamcommunity.com/market/listings/440/Haunted%20Freedom%20Feathers


Full disclosure: I've been buying H. freedom feathers from tf2wh for around 4.66 refined worth of credits. I think a 1 ref range is large enough though.

http://www.tf2wh.com/item/30239/13/b5328151770ec0bee9f90bc96b1a47ed

    You're supposed to manipulate the market, otherwise it's boring. On a more serious note, you need more proof. You have no proof at all for your low end and for your high end you only have your own sales. 1 seller is not enough to represent the market according to rules. Now to be honest, I don't agree with this rule and based on your sales and the rarity of this item I'd gladly upvote a 6 ref flat price. I don't think that would be accepted though, you'd have to ask and admin their thoughts on the matter. This suggestion however, definitely won't pass as you have no proof at all for your low end.

        *Owns 6 of these* stop tryin to make profit hippie.

          Isnt this like what happened with the battery canteens?

            there are nearly 3000 of these in existence, I would expect more proof for both ends of your range suggestion.


            Downvote.


            (sidenote: there seems to be a lot of suspicion about this being a manipulative bump. Im not agreeing, but I do admit that a bump of more than double the current price is sketchy. He owns 6, so he would have a motive. but it could also be good business skills,)

            Proof doesn't support range and this looks like manipulation.

              not just looks like,it clearly is

                He'd still sell them at 6 ref regardless.

                  How would he sell them at 6 ref if they sell for 2.33 ref?

                  Unless you mean he will try to sell for 6 ref but will still be unsuccessful.

                  But i agree with diamond havoc, it does kinda look like price manipulation.

                  Owns 6, huge jump from 2.33 to 6 refined suddenly out of nowhere.

                  Little proof.


                  I say price manipulation.

                      Where do they sell at 2.33 ref?

                        Don't know, i assumed that since it was at 2.33 they sell at 2.33, or even lower in most cases.

                          They don't. The current price is completely outdated and wrong.

                            Last one was only accepted 18 days ago...

                              It was based on buyers. Completely conservative and wrong. I think Offline knew that.

                              So you're one of those people who believes bp.tf's price is law and if it says an item is worth that price, it must be selling at that price all the time.

                          You seem to miss the point that accepting this suggestion would encourage similar acts in the future and may also create demand for the hat, further inflating it's price

                            So leaving the price completely wrong is okay?

                              I'm still not seeing any proof of 5ref as the low end .-.

                            Hey Hugh, thanks for being the voice of sanity. To everyone else; I'm only making this suggestion so people who follow bp.tf strictly don't get ripped off if they want to sell this item. If you know anyone selling this for 4-5 refined send them my way.

                        Maybe just raise it to 2.33 - 3.33 for now hmm?

                          Just a little corroboration, it is damn near impossible to find this anywhere near the listed price. It's consistently going for right around a key on the community market.


                          Edit: For context, I've been intermittently hunting for one at a reasonable price for over a month.

                            This does need a bump, I should know. But you need some proof for 5 ref.

                            Staying neutral.

                              Sold:

                              3.66 ref:

                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15803578


                              Buying:

                              2 ref::

                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18647691

                              3 ref:

                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17040237

                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18221795

                              5 ref:

                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18681399


                              The range is just out there, but you need more proof if you're going to raise the high end to 6 ref. Just having your trade does not represent the entire market.

                              Going from 2.33 to 5-6 ref with barley any proof.


                              Are you even tryin'?

                              I never come on this site and comment, but I have to for this one. You guys, Hand Slapper is on the money here. I deal with Haunteds frequently, and this last round of them from 2013 Halloween are RARE. They are underbumped and hard to even find a generic listing for them, let alone for the in-demand silly bird heads. And he owns 6 of them, big deal. I own 0 of them and will still back this guy up. I see them sell in the 1 key range because people just cannot get ahold of them. The only reason the price was ever voted so low on this is so these guys could buy em cheap and hoard them for themselves. They are impossible to find. And you're calling manipulation on this guy? The only manipulation that goes on is people trading with thier alts on outpost and using it as "proof". Most of you guys never get in a trade server. I'm upvoting this cause this is the real range they are selling for. Maybe come out and play the game sometime instead of being armchair market speculators only looking at fake outpost ads and then giving this guy hell for it.

                                the problem being he isn't suggesting the 1key range... :| I took issue with this suggestion because he had no proof for the low end of the suggested range


                                with mage's 5ref buyer though, things look a bit better, going to go neutral now


                                "The only manipulation that goes on is people trading with thier alts on outpost and using it as "proof". "

                                I doubt your speculation here, but the forums would be a better place to argue about this

                                "Most of you guys never get in a trade server."

                                I'd disagree...


                                (as a side note, calm down, people will always flip out for things like this, apparently that includes you now?)

                                  Alright, in case I didn't make myself clear enough to y'all: I've been buying all my freedom feathers from the tf2WH. In the time this suggestion has been up I've bought 6 more from there, so someone is trading them for slightly under 5 refined or else I'd be getting very litttle/none.

                                  He wants to raise the price by almost 4 ref with barley any proof, not to mention he owns 6 of them (which doesn't help his case). What here could make someone upvote? I mean sure, you bought a few for the price (and the other guy kinda scammed ya lol) or you're selling, but the community doesn't care if one trader did so. I'd like to see more sellers/buyers buying this haunted stuff for 5-6. But in the mean time, downvote.

                                  I just now noticed that these haunted bird heads are all rare on outpost now.

                                  What happened?


                                  I remember buying these during Halloween getting the complete set of all 5 bird heads. And now they are almost impossible to get.

                                  People hoarding them or something?

                                    This needs a big bump........

                                    Just look at the community market, anyone that sells them at 2.33 refined is dumb.

                                    http://steamcommunity.com/market/listings/440/Haunted%20Freedom%20Feathers

                                      this is just like the chicken kiev, except nobody has tried to increase the chicken kiev's price.

                                      http://i.imgur.com/YQg8EZ2.png


                                      Captain Bob and DZ are both in your friends list, looks a lot like manipulation.

                                      I assume that most traders remove each other after trading is over.

                                        Untrue, I have alot of people I traded with on my friends list. Just because those players were fun to talk to.

                                        Can not answer for the "manipulation-part" though.

                                          well, its a idea, and if you were scamming people for 6 ref from a 2 ref hat, you'd probably remove the. And if those guys are stupid enough to buy the freedom feathers for 2 ref, they wouldn't be fun to talk to since they are idiots

                                            It's not scamming. Have you seen how much other bird heads sell for? And how much this sells in the market?

                                              http://steamcommunity.com/market/listings/440/Haunted%20Freedom%20Feathers, well here, most of the recent heads sold are for $1.25-$1.50, yes i can see how much this item sells for in the market, and clearly its not close to 5-6 ref, and you aren't including the 15% that valve and taxes take and how people overprice things on the market. and notice how all the "other bird heads" on trading sites that are overpriced like this trade: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18329006 are all unsold, plus this person doesn't have any proof (of the bird head being sold for 5-6 refined other than the 3 people he sharked, so either way, this is not a valid price suggestion

                                            or they could be his alt accounts.

                                              Why throw around baseless accusations?

                                                why not? some people here are suspecting price manipulation, i'm trying to prove that, there some reasoning behind my accusations, some :/

                                                Or you could be upset he owns items that can be sold for 1 key.

                                                Or you can be an alt account of somebody that has something against the price suggestor.

                                                We can all throw around accusations with no proof, that is not hard.


                                                But the point of this discussion is if the item should go up to 5-6 ref or not. I would say yes, considering what I am seeing. If you do not agree, then explain why the proof is not valid, do not come with random claims.

                                            Needs a bump. Not this bump.

                                              You need to provide much proof than that, pal. This ain't going to be accepted.


                                              TL,DR: Downvoted! Woohoo!

                                                Lack of proof...

                                                Also, from 2.33 suddenly jump to 5-6 ref? That's too fast, raise it slightly would be acceptable.

                                                  These sell for like a key on community market, some of these heads sell even for 2 keys, leaving it out of date would be cruel and encourage sharking.

                                                  2.33 ref suddenly jump to 5 ref ?


                                                  these buyers know what is Backpack.tf ?

                                                  or are those `buyers' his alternate ?

                                                    Other haunted bird heads are going way over 1 key...

                                                    Sales all over the place. The selling price on market seems to be about ~5.66-6 ref


                                                    Sales in items seem to be from 3 ref to 2 keys. With so many buyers at 3 ref, that shouldn't be in the range. Hard to figure out exactly what the range should be, but given the proof provided in comments as well, 5-6 isn't a terrible estimation.