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Unique A Random Summer Cooler Key Gift
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It yields 1 Cooler key which is worth 1 Key, which should be enough said.

But given how alot of people don't like common sense suggestions, here's some proof: O wait... their is none. No one sells them. Not on outpost, not in the classifieds. Nowhere. Since they are not currently on market, the closest we can come to an accurate pricecheck is what the thing inside is worth. And that is, as stated above, 1 key. That's what it is, a key. Its just a key in package. Can we get a price on this please? cause as far as my BP is concerned its just a worthless piece of junk at the moment. I don't really care if this suggestion is accepted or not due to lack of non-existent proof, i just want this thing priced already.


The proof of no proof:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/search/139780176

http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/id/5205c7204bd7b8033f000005


This is being used as a key in price for some sellers:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/search/139780335

    If you don't have any proof, then your suggestion will not pass. If you want it priced. Find sales

      Thing thow is that your reasoning have a flaw.

      Yes it contains a key and yes a key is valued as a key.

      BUT this key can not be used by its owner and when the gift gets opened you give away the key to somebody else.


      Now that actually can make the item valued less then a key for some.

      Not saying it have to, but it can. Therefore your conclusion is flawed and the suggestion becomes flawed.

      Since you have 2 of this item why do you not put up a sale and see if you can sell them for 1 key each?

        or rather he should put it up for offers. The average offer that is given could still be used as proof to pc this.

          I would, but thats against the rules. Im not selling it, and you cant put things up for sale that u arnt selling. Your getting mad at me for bending the proof rule yet u wan me to break a rule to abide by one. I give up.

            Well if you aren't selling why the rush to price this dang key =p

            You could just wait for other sellers or buyers to pop up who are looking for these.

            I'd say remake the suggestion if you want any chance in getting it nicely accepted.

            I read your arguments below but for people out there they might even value it above a key since its rare on the market. People might be willing to go to 1.5 keys just to have it in their backpacks. Like someone below said collectors be collectin'. Try getting a range onto the key of yours, after you get a upper value for example a max value of 1.5 you could suggest it for 1-1.5 or 1-1.3 or whatever would fit the bill =p


            Downvoted as of now, noone is in a hurry to get this priced, its for the good of all people who might purchase or sell it in the future =p

          One problem I see though if this is worth less than a key is that it can be used to 'gift' the key to a friend, who then trades the key to the gifter. Bang, the gifter just got a key for the price of below a key.


          However, this problem won't come to pass probably, as I would presume that either this will be made valuable due to the scarcity of the item, or they will be sold at the same price of a key. I do agree some sales and subsequently proof needs to be made to confirm this theory though.

            I think the closest thing we have to proof is what happened with the robocrate key gift. They are essentially identical in function, its just the key contained is different. The thing that could make it proof is both the contained items are worth the same

              I agree fully. It is a shame that the item is made rare as the only way to really obtain it is to buy it from the store or the market, and I would predict they are used up shortly after being obtained.


              Now, interestingly, the market may well hold the key to some proof for this suggestion, as there are some being sold there. I would not necessarily call it great proof, but it is the only reliable proof in a relatively elusive market. At the time of writing, there are 5 of these keys for sale in the market at £1.63-1.64.


              This would mean if they were sold the key gifts are selling for ~1.17 keys. However, this may also be skewed due to the low amount available on the market, and people wanting to buy them for at least cheaper than in the mann co store, thus being willing to pay a little over a key to obtain them. Do with this random rambling as you will.

              Yes,

              1. Buy a keygift

              2. Find a friend

              3. Go into a server together

              4. Use keygift, friend gets key

              5. Key gets traded back to the owner of the keygift

              6. You gotten your key


              NOW, why would anybody do this when you have the option to do this

              1. Buy/trade for key

              2. You gotten the key


              I am not saying the key would not be valued at 1 key. What I am saying is the keygift-item is NOT a key and not everybody would pay for it as a key.

              You can not unbox anything with a keygift.

              Collectors will collect yes, but those are limited. Like vintage collectors who paid to get their collections complete, they exist but yet the vintage items decrease in value. Why? Because most of us are not collectors.


              He can sell one of the gifts and then that would for me be enough(since there are so few for sale) as proof.


                *sigh* that's exactly why there's so few; you can just buy a key. That doesn't mean that this should be more or less than said key since the end result is still the same. If this were worth less than a key than trust me people WOULD be unwrapping them. If they were worth more then NOONE would be unwrapping them and the key suppliers who actually get them from Mann Co. would buy these instead, thus even furthering the shortage of keys and price boost, which would ultimately even out this wrapped key to begin with. So really, the only thing this thing should and will be worth until discontinued is 1 key.

                  And again my point is, that this is based on logic reason. I get the thought of line, but the trading market is not based on logic.

                  Value of an item is not based on what it should have according to logic.


                  And as I stated, since it is so few sales of this item I would be satisfied if one link of a sale could be provided. But basing the entire suggestion on a logical theory (even thow it being a sound and easy theory to agree with) and approving, means you open up for the same type of suggestions being used on other items.


                  And the site is supposed to be based on proof?


                  Dont get me wrong, if the policy on site changes I would upvote this suggestion.

                  But this is not based on proof, this is based on what logic dectates should be the value of an item .


                  No proof-->I wont upvote.


              if you want ur bp vlaue to go up go to an empty server with someone u trust then use the gift and have them give you the keys, dont just make a suggestion with 0 proof basically trying to increase the value of ur bp

                I dont want to open it. There are only 100 or so, yet tons more Cooler keys. Removing the wrap could possibly determent the value in the longrun. But since they are still being sold by Mann Co. 1 key is an accurate pricing.

                The closest thing to this, A Random RoboKey Gift, is worth 1 key. But still, without proof, I'm staying neutral.

                I knew this wouldn't go by well... and yes ofcourse im trying to raise my BPs price, obviously cause it isnt worth anything according to this site, which is completely false. Just look at the other wrapped key:


                http://backpack.tf/stats/5638/600/0


                It is also worth 1 key. They are practicly the same thing. Can we please not be butthurt about no proof? THERE ISNT ANY. check for yourself. Outpost has none, classifieds have none. Nowhere.

                  look at how that key was priced: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/51d234e5ba2536d82600000e


                  of course this is worth 1 key. the question is if it is worth MORE than 1 key.

                    Well we have to start somewhere. If i HAD to sell these, i would for 1 key. Thu i own the market, thus they would be buying and selling for 1 key. Problem solved

                      Also, after doing some digging, there are no buying trades either. They are just not on the market atm, but that doesnt mean its worthless. IT HAS A KEY IN IT FOR PETE SAKE. If i really wanted to id go to a private lobby with a friend and open them, and the retrieve the key. Tell me how that isnt worth a key.

                        >Tell me how that isnt worth a key.


                        I literally just said that it was worth at least a key. Right there, in the comment you responded to.


                        May I buy one for a key?

                          I would but then id have to buy another from Mann Co.

                          I'm currently good in metal/keys but I'll let you know when i need some.

                    OMG GUIS HE'S TRYING TO MAKE HIS BP GO UP BY PRICING A KEY AT 1 KEY PRICE OMG LETS START A RIOT.


                    What the fuck do you all smoke before you vote? Seriously? What is he gunna say "Here's sales of this 1 FUCKING KEY I'M TRYING TO PRICE AT 1 KEY"


                    God.

                      Thank you, someone with a brain.... wait a minute you're on my friends list! Small world lol

                        And how do you know it's not worth more?

                          Its worth what sellers are willing to settle for and what buyers will pay. I'm the only person i know of that might be willing to sell, and if i did it would be for a key. And i know a few people who would buy it for a key. SO for now i would say 1 key is a fair price suggestion

                        It does make since that a key is worth well, a key but, you still need to find proof of it.

                          would i have to find proof of keys selling for keys too to raise the price of a key to a key? Does no-one else put 2 and 2 together on this site?!

                            I do in fact get what you're saying, but most people are gonna auto downvote this if there is no proof. Though it is logic correct that its a key and should be treated as such.

                          u could buy this for exactly the same amount of money as a regular key, or any key for that matter. Thats the availability stat. It is the same concept as a the robokey gift with the same price inside. Comparability stat. Its a key, common sense stat

                          and yet it boggles everyones mind

                          I give up

                            The price in money doesn't count a lot when it comes to trading. It's all about the amount that people are selling them for. And since nobody has sold any of these to date, there can't be a good pricerange yet.

                          no sellers on outpost: http://www.tf2outpost.com/search/139779925

                          unsuccessful buyer @ 5 ref: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12578431


                          I am willing to pay 1 key for this item. Creestab is willing to sell me one for 1 key in the future.

                            I can confirm that i would sell for 1 key to this buyer.

                              its not so much that its worth 1 key, it worth at least one key given you can "give" the key to urself, the question is more of is it worth more than 1 key given the scarcity of the item. if you want this to pass get a chat offer from Jymotion, screenshot it then remake this with the screenshot. that has a much higher likelyhood of passing. people will autodownvote due to lack of "proof", common sense notwithstanding. with a screenshot of a 1 key offer it should pass imo.


                              btw i will also offer one key for the gift. collectors be collectin :/

                            The issue of the proof vs. no proof isn't people caring about votes, or being stingy. it is in the site rules for suggestions you must provide proof.

                            Enough people already accuse backpack of being corrupt that if any no proof suggestion passes, it would only bring down more and more complaints.

                            Anyhow, I understand that this is a rarely traded item, so upvote from me, based mainly on other comments.

                              Thank you. Proof doesn't necessarily have to be links also.

                              upvote, jeezus the people on this site are not the smartest sometimes

                                      Supporting me with what? Lol, this isnt my suggestion. I'm downvoting it because of lack of proof.

                                        yeah i relised that so i deleted my comment, MY BAD OK

                                      there isnt any more proof on outpost, nor anywhere else, there is reasons why i didnt put 2 ref in the range, read the comments

                                        Keep the comments about the suggestion.

                                      I honestly think it should be worth less than a summer key. Why would you buy this if you may not get the key you want? But we all know logic has no place in the tf2 market, it's only about offers and sellers. I can see offers of 1 key, but I don't see any sellers. If you are the only seller and you won't sell it for a key, perhaps someone will offer more.


                                      I'm sorry but whats the point of pricing it if there are apparently no trades? The value that the site gives means nothing, it's just an estimate. I'm sorry.