Price Suggestion
~63.94 ref
Unique Mann Co. Supply Crate Key
1727 votes up
2009 votes down
Advertisement
Related Suggestions

This suggestion was accepted by SirJjjon (Accnt not for sale).

Comments can no longer be left on this suggestion.

Comments

Is it just me or haven't the keys changed in well over a week? NEW RECORD

This is my first attempt at suggesting a change for an item used as currency, please don't vote solely based on opinion, look at the proofs and the market trends.

Anyway, eh, I am here to correct this (I really need to get out of the unusual scene).


There's currently none selling for 5.66 (at the time of posting)


Selling for 5.77

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10707606

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13145558

http://bazaar.tf/trade/332266 - 5.82

http://bazaar.tf/trade/332277 - 5.82


Selling for 5.88

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13075639 - Sold 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13238584 - Sold none (a day old)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11087877 - Changes prices frequently, impossible to tell

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13250294 - Sold 4

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13266872 - Sold none (hour old)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13239471 - Sold at least one

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13192269 - Sold 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12860554 - Changes prices (34?)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12972371 - Sold 86 in total (has one frequent buyer)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11851330 - Bot, changes prices.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13077313 - Sold at least one, most of the added posts are to sell

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12493596 - One (not hidden) post about a day old saying "added", seller changes prices

http://bazaar.tf/trade/335269 - Unknown

http://bazaar.tf/trade/289767 - Bot, has sold some

http://bazaar.tf/trade/335420 - Unknown

http://bazaar.tf/trade/334858 - Unknown

http://bazaar.tf/trade/333258 - Unkown

http://bazaar.tf/trade/324169 - Unkown

http://bazaar.tf/trade/285372 - Several recent added posts


The amount of people selling at 6 (or "5.99") is OUTRAGEOUS, I mean, seriously, that's like 60% of all.

Yet they don't sell anything.


Buying for 5.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12982636

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13262413

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12387496

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13077313

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10707606

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13266754

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13255086

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13262583

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13264890

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13117610

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13266007

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13249221

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12642827

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13229298

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13016594

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12690810

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13179185

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13166880

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12525769

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11656671

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12024968

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11739437

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13048663

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12293288

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12958608

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13266803

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12799188

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12850306

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12536779

http://bazaar.tf/trade/315642


Buying for 5.77

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13225771

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12851915

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12965859

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13238270

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12647792

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12804034

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13143488

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11355818

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13206806

http://bazaar.tf/trade/316874

http://bazaar.tf/trade/333258

http://bazaar.tf/trade/324169


http://tf2finance.com/keys/ now prices keys at 5.8 ref


Alright you all want 5.66 in the range right, well there you go (I still don't see any reason to let it be like that since there's no sellers)

    seems good enough for me

      Not enough proof to support high end.

      selling =/= sold


      and the buyers are in current range now, so downvote

        let me add some tags, 5.88 has some solds

          they can say that they sold some keys, you dont have any prove of that. it's just for the buyers that it seems that some people already bought some, so that you have to do the same

            Item histories tell otherwise, your point?

          the price for the worst comment of this suggestion goes to you so far.

          Seriously, check the proof before writing

            nobody EVER buys for the higher range, do you know outpost?

              Actually No quick buyers ever buy for higher range but some regular traders buy high price. Not always

                that doesn't apply to currency, they NEVER pay full price for a key

              This doesn't work with keys, they always get sold, people sell at 6 ref, so 5.88 ref is selling aswell, not saying thois is good, but you are wrong mate.

              seems the 5.77 and even 5.66 ones are getting quite a lot of sellers. and that tells me 5.88 isnt really needed. since 5.66 and 5.77 isnt hard to come by

                Oh no, it's happening.

                Ah this is known as markup, meaning nomatter the key price most sellers will be selling a scrap more than the price. So the price keeps getting raised to "keep up with key prices" but in reality it's new voters not understanding how the system works.

                  It's a loophole, outpost sells for more than backpack -> backpack updates -> outpost sells for more -> backpack updates, etc.

                    that is why backpack should disable key suggestions

                      "It's a loophole, outpost sells for more than backpack -> backpack updates -> outpost sells for more -> backpack updates, etc."

                      Do you even know what a 'loophole' is?

                        Oh well excuse me, I was in a rush to answer and didn't realise I used the wrong term. Let's just call it a loop then.

                          the correct term is "feedback"

                      Gotta agree with you. In reality it all depends on how much people are willing to pay for keys, not how much people are willing to sell them for.

                      Imagine what would happen if they decided to do a 50% off sale for keys in the store.

                        Not going to happen ever - unless valve decided to screw alot of people over


                        Here's why: Alot of the game sellers you see on TF2OP heavily rely on tf2 keys since they sell them to the market > buy discount games > sell them for keys.

                        If steam would put a discount on them everything would drop and I mean everything. Steam would do much worse game wise since people usually buy games because they are discounted (a good supply is from player to player). People would lose 10's of thousands - maybe even 100k's out of the market.


                        The day valve drops that on everyone is the day I jump ship and leave tf2.

                          The day keys go on sale tf2 trading crashes and everyone leaves back to the normal game, that's it

                            Again, gotta agree with you. But the moment the decision to make a sale would mean that valve gets more money in their pockets is the moment they will be a sale.


                            However, I think it is much more likely that the raise the price of keys.

                        5.88 you say? To my inventory history!

                        http://puu.sh/3RbTb.jpg. 3 different people just from this morning.


                        Frankly you'll need far more proof of 5.88 buyers/sellers just from how many a day are traded.

                        Do agree that there are way to many people selling at 6 ref+ (even 5.99... lol), claiming to have "sold" a large number of keys at this price. Keys for 5.66 and even 5.77 sell real fast. I am somewhat skeptical about 5.88 though. Not too many buyers above 5.77.

                          Just because they haven't gone up in a week doesn't mean you have to force them to.


                          Stable prices are good.

                          I've seen few sellers at 5.66 Ref in Backpack.tf's Classified Listings, I even bought some my self.

                          http://i.imgur.com/GH3PcNR.png (5.66)

                          http://i.imgur.com/jyJwjhM.png (5.66)

                          http://i.imgur.com/WMWkFTN.png (5.55)

                            I still don't know what the point of that is, but still 5.66 could be considered a bit of a quicksell, yet keeping it seems to be better

                            I heard you liek textwalls


                            5.66 ref Sellers

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13268379 - Sold lots in under half an hour, only seller.


                            5.77 ref Sellers

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13145558 - Several sold, 4 bookmarks in 3 days

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13268992 - Out of stock in 8 minutes

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13266107 - Sold 1

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13238703 - Bought some

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10707606 - Bot, sold many.


                            5.88 ref Sellers

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11494453 - Bot, sold many

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13246773 - Sold at least one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13075639 - Sold many

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13253711 - Sold at least one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13266001 - Sold none

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13262282 - Sold at least one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9388259 - Sold some, price changes frequently.

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10806553 - Sold some

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13192269 - Sold 2

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13023324 - Sold at least one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13263150 - Sold at least one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13247899 - Sold none

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13225237 - Sold at least one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13117194 - Sold one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13268060 - Sold none

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13164354 - Bot, sold some

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13081295 - Sold at least one for 6 ref

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13018074 - Sold at least one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12938027 - Sold at least one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12499737 - Sold at least 1

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13209197 - Sold at least one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13216787 - Sold 2

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12098055 - Sold many

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12169548 - Bot, sold some

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13266872 - Sold none

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12169548 - Bot, sold some

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13091427 - Sold none

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13238584 - Sold at least 2

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13266423 - Sold at least one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13265351 - Sold at least one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13247190 - Sold none

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13248146 - Sold none

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13238703 - Sold many, out of stock.

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13200848 - Sold at least one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13267262 - Sold none

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13223231 - Sold one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12881057 - Sold some

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13262878 - Sold at least one, added for 7?

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13160021 - Sold one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13257568 - Sold none

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13181799 - Sold 3

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13213922 - Bot, sold at least one (fake counter)

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12844827 - Sold some

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12050155 - Sold at least one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13211070 - Sold one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12881057 - Sold one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13023324 - Sold at least one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12927538 - Sold none

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12972371 - Sold some at the current price

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13264451 - Sold at least one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13200848 - Sold at least one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12438427 - Sold a few, changes prices frequently

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12493596 - Sold at least one


                            6 ref Sellers

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13207996 - Sold none

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13193549 - Sold none

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13112005 - Sold at least one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13264170 - Sold none

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13096001 - Sold one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13059127 - Sold one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13141396 - Sold none

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13258341 - Sold none

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13173287 - Sold at least one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13112005 - Sold at least one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13235419 - Sold none

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12974141 - Sold at least one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13213184 - Sold none

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13215817 - Sold none

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13227123 - Sold none

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13254622 - Sold none

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12863032 - Sold at least one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12699769 - Sold one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13249739 - Sold one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12727823 - Sold at least one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13073561 - Sold at least one, bot

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13011565 - Added post, not sold

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12647792 - Bot, sold at least one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13265817 - Sold none

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13043876 - Sold some

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11619463 - Sold at least one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13268064 - Sold one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12842410 - Sold 2

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12935040 - Sold at least one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13254622 - Sold none

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13222811 - Sold one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13187244 - Sold none

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13268029 - Sold none

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13244068 - Sold some

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12059073 - Sold some

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13266110 - Sold none

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13179550 - Sold none

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13243175 - Sold none

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13268149 - Sold none

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13243522 - Sold none

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13162279 - Sold at least one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13255423 - Sold none

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13169053 - Sold none

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13209341 - Sold at least one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13251869 - Sold none

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10806553 - Sold at least one for 6 ref


                            5.66 ref Buyers

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10707606 - Bot, bought some

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13206620 - Bought some

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13126576 - Bought none

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13117610 - Bought ~10 at current price

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13246773 - Bought 4

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12888352 - Bought many

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12293288 - Bought some

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13270675 - Very young, bought none

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12888352 - Bought at least 10

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10806553 - Bought at least 1 at current price


                            5.77 ref Buyers

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12647792 - Bot, bought some

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12438427 - Bought many

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13250720 - Bought at least one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13111548 - Bought at least one

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10672176 - Bought some

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13243175 - Bought 3


                            5.88 ref Buyers

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13270749 - Only buyer, a minute old.


                            http://puu.sh/3ReE0.png - Classifieds at the time of posting


                            Yes, more proof.

                              Again, my apologies if any of those are repeated or are relists, that's the first 3 pages of bumped trades and the first page of buyers. 6 ref is clearly the most common asking price, but does not happen as frequently as 5.88

                                5.88 buyer is still buying, and it's 2 hours since then now

                                  y u no post this in your first comment or as a reply to it?

                                    because that was posted an hour after the comment was originally posted

                                    I can't do anyhing about it, can I?

                                      Maybe say in BIG LETTERS that more proof is somewhere below.

                                        Too bad backpack.tf doesn't support font and font size bbcode

                                        whatever it's there

                                    Some of those 5.88 sellers have yet to actually sell. and the ones that have have only sold a couple during a few days. This suggestion seems forced, rather than a necessary one.

                                      You should have added this to your first post with the proof.

                                        I like how most of those little kids dislike the extra proof and my justified advice.

                                        Back in halloween for some reason keys started becoming very popular as there was more incentive to open crates, so people selling at outpost ran out of stock, and those who bought and had spares decided to sell keys at higher prices. People from backpack.tf saw this and suggested higher prices for keys based on what was happening at outpost, people at outpost saw this and resellrs bought the keys, then resold them at even higher prices, backpack.tf changed prices, outpost rose and then it's a rinse and repeat process.

                                          oh well i thought this post actually got deleted so i could post my other url xD sorry

                                        Im just going to leave this here....[url]http://puu.sh/2emnb[/url]


                                        Then this seems very explained [url]http://puu.sh/3j9wa.png[/url]


                                          O hey

                                          http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13273944


                                          Was able to buy 2 in less than half an hour at 5.77 ref.

                                            Just like all buyers at 5.77

                                            They're the ones who pay the most, so they are the ones who buy the most keys quickly.

                                              "The amount of people selling at 6 (or "5.99") is OUTRAGEOUS, I mean, seriously, that's like 60% of all.

                                              Yet they don't sell anything."

                                              OH RLY?

                                              http://imgur.com/shDVX2z

                                                lol I wanted to edit that, then it was after an hour had passed.

                                                For some odd reason outpost only showed up a page of sellers in the morning, and then when I searched for more later, I found out the others actually sold theirs, I even found your trade, it should be between that bunch of links up there

                                                  Yes, I actually put it up largely to satisfy my curiosity, to see if people would actually buy for such an absurd price. The answer is yes, sadly.

                                                    Suggesting 5.66-6 does not seem a good idea anyway, that's a very large gap for a key (yes I know about the 4.66-5 range some time ago) but there's quite some proof that supports it. 5.88 seems to be more preferable for now, tho

                                                      Sales aren't what I would call "reliable." I've sold three and had a fourth add me to offer 6 genuine hats, but I didn't have the patience to resell so I told him to come back with pure. 6 shouldn't be fully in the range YET but it is possible.

                                                    Of course outpost prices are not going to go down. You know why? Because everyone there selling keys wants to make a profit off of them and if I even try to sell a key at 5.33 ref then it's quite below market value. Key prices are driving down metal and everything is connected, essentially kids who buy their way into trading are weighing everything down, not by just their size but by how much they want to charge people who can't afford keys.


                                                    A key is worth 2 dollars, not 100 weapons. A person can get a maximum of 11 drops per week so you're saying that your 2 dollars is essentially worth 10 of my weeks. I have news for you - I'm not buying keys at this price and neither is allot of people I know. Is that enough proof?

                                                      Drops are capped by play time, not amount of drops, get your facts straight. 11 is just thought to be the average of drops per week.

                                                      And if that "a lot of people" is not most of the market, I believe not. The only way keys will go down is by making everyone, or at least most of the traders, stop trying to profit out of these things.


                                                      I don't want to spend that much on keys either, but what's the point of trying to achieve something when it's clearly impossible?

                                                          I said I don't want to pay that much for keys. I don't care about that at all.

                                                          Anyway, now I just dedicate to make price suggestions and spend the day being at tf2r, now that my bp is poor as hell.

                                                          Then again, how would it be possible to make an accurate suggestion on bp.tf to make keys go down when the market trends show the complete opposite?

                                                          That'd be pointless. Just like making this flame war go on.

                                                          Let's just stop it here, shall we?

                                                            Okay, that was not my point. My point is it isn't your moral obligation to suggest keys to go up.


                                                            And yes, I'm tired of arguing.

                                                              Y'know, even though they may have abolished idling, that by no means stopped the idlers from making alts and playing normally. Sure, it's time consuming, but it also means much more drops. Honestly, i think that idling will still be a problem, and that our current voting system is flawed mainly because "profit" is involved. Personally, I'd like to discuss a way to fix the system.

                                                      I liked this for the music.

                                                      Have you actually seen the rate keys are going up at? I can't see them being more than 6.33 ref tops by the end of the month.

                                                        I did not check, no. My point is that key prices are just going to keep on going up and up.

                                                          Maybe by next September, yes, but I can't blame you from overlooking things like that.

                                                      Actually, it's been two weeks since the last passed suggestion was made, the longest time between suggestions since keys were 2.66.

                                                        There's ~70 links supporting the high end, but I'm sure Hatch used way more than that. If that doesn't please others then I guess I have to find many more.

                                                          Wait a second... I forgot that big block of links that you posted within the discussion. Sorry, man. :/


                                                          I guess this is good enough for me, then.

                                                            Nice proof, upvote.

                                                                How about we reflect what the market says and not try to manipulate the price of keys for our own benefit? There's a novel idea.

                                                                  "not try to manipulate the price of keys for our own benefit"


                                                                  Oh, the irony...

                                                                    Explain to me how a suggestion with proof is "ironic" to manipulating the price.

                                                              Wow, all the keys at scrap.tf and scrapbank.me are sold out...


                                                              Hate to say it..but I am leaning towards a upvote

                                                                Good proof. upvoted

                                                                  the prices just keep going up slowly .. and slowly.. why not just make it to 10ref straight rather then making it go up scrap by scrap. its better buying keys from steam market. >:(

                                                                    Well, if it goes to 10 refined, straight away, then the price of refined would have to go down a TON(yes, 100% decrease is a lot) or price of keys would be worth $4 on paypal, which would make no sense at all.

                                                                    Here we go again -_-

                                                                    they need to stay away from 6 ref imo but i've seen people beg for them at 5.77

                                                                      I have sold over 50 in the past week, I got a few commments on my trade take a look: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9618121 My price is 6 Refined. I'm a highballer and I love it.! I used to care for this economy but everyones is ruining this economy with these suggestions, And admins does not care about it, They should block suggestions for keys...

                                                                        I'm not sure if I should agree with you or not~

                                                                          Could you be more hypocritical if you tried?

                                                                          That awkward moment when keys have doubled in a year.


                                                                          R.I.P TF2 Ecconomy

                                                                            Literally nothing about that moment is awkward.

                                                                              That awkward moment when key prices didn't change in over a year even though the economy changed drastically.


                                                                              i.e. the increase was inevitable, it just needed a catalyst to get it going.

                                                                                Provide helpful feedback instead of being pointlessly hostile.

                                                                                  well, the top response already has the evidence I would use so I don't really see any point in putting it in mine.

                                                                                  more proof of sellers(with buyers on the trade): 5.88 < EDIT

                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13262878 -few buyers

                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11087877 -2 more recent buyers

                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12786593 -great deal of 10 ref each.

                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12942556 -10 more recent adds/sales

                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13225237 -1 guy? 1 key?

                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9388259 -6 more recent adds/sales

                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12451134 -2 stated buys. others might have sold or bought. no way to tell with just "added".

                                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12965859 -1 person


                                                                                  This is just a chip of the 3rd page out of 19+. finding sellers at 5.88 is hard since so many people already want 6 ref. i usually hat commenting on these things but after reading so much bullshit i just decided to get some proof. honestly i dont enjoy playing this game as much as i do trading so i spend alot of time in trade servers. and in those trade servers it is not easy finding keys for 5.66 or even 5.77. now im not loving these price changes but you learn to deal. eventually they'll go back down or the the whole trading keys will just crash and burn. but not yet. keys are still fighting strong at an upwards grip and should untill people realize that they shouldnt/cant buy keys any higher. yes i know some opinions are like buttholes and mine might stink but you dont have to smell it. i wont respond sadly because i have better things to do than argue about prices on things i rarely touch but i will say you have to stop being so violent its a damn price suggestion.

                                                                                    I agree with your comment, but just wanted to add, really what needs to happen is that if people don't like the price, they need to stop buying at those prices. This is basic economics. I personally ONLY buy a key if I can profit off of it in one way or another, generally to use as currency to buy the things I want.

                                                                                    So if you're one of those people that is all "ERMAGHERD KEYS R LIEK SO MUCH STAHP RAISING DEMMM!!!!ONE!!11!!" Then simply Don't buy keys, and do not ever sell them for less than the highest market value. That way key sellers and bot owners will realize "Oh hey, I am not moving stock and this price, I need to lower it to make sales. I'm not getting stock in because people aren't quickselling to my bot."

                                                                                    But, as long as people quicksell, use bots, and continue to pay these prices, it will continue to go up.

                                                                                      Why do prices increase? Buyers. So you are saying that its impossible to buy for 5.77. Sellers sure as hell would drop their prices to it if no one bought from them for 1 week. or so. Keys arent increasing itself. Buyers are doing it.

                                                                                        ^

                                                                                        That's the thing. The price depends on what people are willing to pay.

                                                                                          Not saying its impossible. he still has this in his range. he is simply updating the high end. which is needed.

                                                                                        I stopped playing TF2 for study when keys were still 2.66, and I had in my backpack over 60 refined which equals to around 22-24 keys, stupid me that i didn't convert my metal into keys. >.>

                                                                                        On topic now, I absolutely don't agree with this new price range, the actual range of 5.66-5.77 is absolutely fine, people always want to make profit out of everything and we know it. But... keys are being bought/sold for the actual range, why increase it? Also, if there are VERY FEW buyers at 5.88, doesn't mean keys have to be increased, think about people who do not have time to search sellers for 5.66, they buy at a higher price for not waste their time, this doesn't mean the price of the keys have to be increased, also think about people who are in need of 2-3 keys fast for buy something and they are too lazy for search the actual price on outpost becouse of all the highballers.


                                                                                        Sorry for my english.

                                                                                          You don't need to say sorry for your English. Up until the last part I didn't know you weren't a native speaker.

                                                                                            I've got to say most key suggestions passed without ANY buyer at a higher range, and only sellers. People selling at 5.88 or even 6 show that it's possible for them to do that, and 5.66 ad 5.77 sellers on the market ran out of stock very, very quickly, that's why people don't bother looking for them.

                                                                                            LOL talk: 108 nice. My opinion:


                                                                                            Always keys are good investment, WHY? BCS it`s easy to sell scrap-rec more than price.

                                                                                            People who have a lot of $ or metal etc. and want to open crates don`t care about pay 0.11 more for a key bcs they do not want to loss time and they can pay more.

                                                                                            But "normal" players don`t want to pay more and they can wait and buy for normal price.


                                                                                            Also sellers key can find buyers for +0.11. But ALWAYS i can or i could sell keys for 0.11 more, ALWAYS.


                                                                                            summarizing


                                                                                            If keys were for 3.33 i saw a lot of adds for 3.44-3.77, if keys were 5 ref a lot of add and sold too for 5.11-5.33. And now is this same situation, if WE will accept all that votes KEYS WILL BE FOR 10 ref in a few months...


                                                                                            Is down vote, but it`s my opinion don`t dislike me bcs i didn't add links with proof.


                                                                                            Sry for my English.

                                                                                              Keys should be one number. Not #-#.

                                                                                              Like right now;

                                                                                              5.66 is too low and 5.77 is too high.

                                                                                              It should be one or the other.

                                                                                                  Guys, we have a piece of chokolate in our peanut butter.

                                                                                                    Guys, I translated that just for you:


                                                                                                    "I like this f*cking site where you use the power of being an administrator or a moderator to impose what da puta k you win, as I do not like your comment, then delete it, or warn you ... and you can never open your mouth in this place to express your opinion. I laugh at the balls, and best of all is k then you will go to liberals talking with your friends about whether the president of your country when k there is a scoundrel k if freedom of expression is a lie ok you live in a dictatorship disguised with something false name called democracy. and now I delete the comment by k you get the balls and I express myself in another language by k tmb me is I get the kojones, and if you do not know Spanish I sweat pa use a translator to know I'm calling caraflauta k."


                                                                                                    -desconectado, best quotes of 2013

                                                                                                      most random comet ever by that guy:)

                                                                                                        *"I love this fucking piece of shit site where an admin's or moderator's power is imposed the way they fucking want, such as, I don't like your comment, so I warn you, or I delete it... and you can never open your mouth here to show your opinion. I fucking laugh at you, and best of all is that later you'd be talking with your friends about how your country or state's government is a scoundrel and corrupt, that democracy is a lie and that you all live in a dictatorship covered with the name of something fake known as freedom of expression. And if you now delete my comment because that's coming out of your fucking balls and I'm talking in another languageit's because I'm also fucking expressing myself out of my balls(?), and if you don't speak spanish, then you can (suck my dick) and use a translator to know that I'm calling you a (dicksucker)

                                                                                                          uhm, seriously?

                                                                                                          I never thought people like that would be at backpack.tf

                                                                                                            lol people dislike this when I'm just doing a better translation of what's posted right above and has 12 likes

                                                                                                            for the record, I'm a native spanish speaker and I seriously hate people who use emoticons and slang such as "k"

                                                                                                            I think "k" here means "que" :P


                                                                                                            As in "what" or "that"

                                                                                                          if there is no suggestion in the next few days key price is gonna start to fall

                                                                                                            is that a bad thing?

                                                                                                              did I say that?

                                                                                                              *Searches for locial reasoning*

                                                                                                                What I mean is that if people are unable to find other peeps that is selling/buying for 5.88, it means (prob) the price is going to fall

                                                                                                                  no, key prices have just settled temporarily because some people think instantly metal is more valuable with idling being destroyed.

                                                                                                              pour economi evereything is going down except for keys some day the key will replace the euro

                                                                                                                Even the Euro is dropping, all hail keys

                                                                                                                Good proof.

                                                                                                                  Key suggestions are always so crowded, I guess the community really cares :)

                                                                                                                    Almost nothing proves the higher end, downvote.

                                                                                                                      Did you even look at that damn long wall of proof up there? people sell for 5.88

                                                                                                                      http://i.imgur.com/cKztQOn.png 5.77 + 1 wep ~ 5,82

                                                                                                                      http://i.imgur.com/2eJWy86.png 2 keys for 11,88 ref

                                                                                                                      http://i.imgur.com/ar3luWV.png 5 keys for 30 ref and i gave 0,55 change.


                                                                                                                      So yea, upvote. :)

                                                                                                                        Upvote I turned 30 refined into keys at the rate of 5.88

                                                                                                                          http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12970020 <--- I was buying for 5.66 ea, got 5-10 adds per day (Although the trade is slightly old), easy to find people on trade servers or put up a trade buying for 5.77 to find buyers, no reason to buy any higher, downvote from me

                                                                                                                              Your trade is 1 week+++ old.

                                                                                                                                My trade is a week old, and I closed it 3 days ago due to a lack of metal :I (I even said it's slightly old)

                                                                                                                              It's actually really easy to buy for 5.66 and sell for 5.77 in an hour, I've bought about 5-10 keys at 5.66 so downvote from me.

                                                                                                                                1. 5.66 Ref is still in the range.

                                                                                                                                2. Proof?

                                                                                                                                I'm sorry, but MOST (not all, even those who sold some keys didn't sold plenty though) of your links of sellers at 5.88 sold none, or less then 3.

                                                                                                                                  I do not see as a strong recommendation, due to the current range is 66% of the suggested new range. There is no reason for the range to change.

                                                                                                                                    The new range is there so that people would know that keys now can sell for 5.88

                                                                                                                                      What you trying to proof with "now can sell at 5.88" they CAN sell at 5.88 now.

                                                                                                                                      If they can't sell at 5.88 then what are you trying to prove with this suggestion.

                                                                                                                                        I'm stating that because nobody here seems to know what the point of the suggestion is.

                                                                                                                                      Why do people still believe it was the introduction of F2Ps, Upgrade to Premium and idling the reasons keys are going up? Those may have been some factors that made the metal go down in value, but that had very little effect on keys for some time. There's some blog article on tf2finance.com that explains well why the keys were fluctuating all this time.

                                                                                                                                        idling was a reason because of the sheer abundance of metal. there is more then 1 million pieces of refined out there, and because of that, keys aren't just 2 refined anymore.

                                                                                                                                      You need more proof for change the Price of a key,but 5.66 and 5.77 its now a quick sell Price but you need more sold/buyed

                                                                                                                                        *bought, and isn't around 50 links enough for a currency change? I could get more, but outpost is full of relisters and donators who use autobump making searching for links hard

                                                                                                                                        I've seen so many people trying to sell keys for 5.88 or 6 ref....and failed. So many are still up, but I know better than to buy it at that range. Those who bought keys for that price range are too desperate for a key lol. Downvote for me.

                                                                                                                                          The only reason they buy for that price s because there's absolutely no willing sellers for lower at outpost (other than the ones selling to quickbuyers)

                                                                                                                                            Not exactly true but OK....

                                                                                                                                            I don't even have keys lol, do you believe people use backpack.tf to manipulate the market? of course not! (well at least not me or most of the people I've seen) There's no way we could make the keys go down, at least for now, hell all I wanted to do was to update the price of keys, 5.66 seems to be a quicksell, and people are now willing to pay more for them

                                                                                                                                            Can i ask a question? why do key tend to rise more instead of dropping i never figured it out.

                                                                                                                                              Since bp.tf is based off of user suggestions (mainly outpost), they go up. Everyone looks for profit in tf2. They buy within the range (because the range is often behind) and sell above the range, providing proof for suggesters of bp.tf to raise the price, but not to drop.

                                                                                                                                                Backpack - suggest 5.66

                                                                                                                                                Outpost - sells for 5.77

                                                                                                                                                Backpack sees Outpost for 5.77 and suggest for 5.77

                                                                                                                                                Outpost - sells for 5.88

                                                                                                                                                Repeat...

                                                                                                                                                  I would like to add to this, that upon searching fora key at 5.77, the trade I had attempted to buy from at 5.77 had ended in 4 seconds flat.

                                                                                                                                                  I would like to see a 5.66. Would be gone in the microseconds after posting.

                                                                                                                                                    well idle has been practically forbidden since using external applications to idle in the new dropping system is a bannable offense and this has echoed in outpost, no more guys with 500 refined solding out every outpost key ad at any whacky Price, the only thing that I'm really concerned is if this suggestion will get accepted with all that pseudo-proof of "selling for 5.88refs" and the lack of buyers for 5.88refs

                                                                                                                                                      lol no with metal would sell keys, they would want to buy keys lol. If you would check all those 5.88 links, atleast 95% of them have been sold already. I wonder if the psedo is proof or someone?

                                                                                                                                                        yeah 5.88 refs sold like this one http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13266001

                                                                                                                                                        if you check the key item history he ended up selling his key to a Bot for 5.77, he was unsuccesful for 5.88 refs that's why he sold the key to the bot. Show me a single link of 5.88refs with the word "Added" at least in the last 3 days, you won't find anyone because all of those links change their prices frecuentely so the "Added" of a week ago was probably for other price

                                                                                                                                                          several of the people selling have recent adds, what do you mean?

                                                                                                                                                          btw, filtering through links in op for a currency used so commonly is not easy, there may be some flaws so excuse me.

                                                                                                                                                            "several of the people selling have recent adds" can you point the exact links? Sorry but I can find them between all that bunch of useless links

                                                                                                                                                              the latest bunch of links, I can't seriously do it now because I'm working on lots of unusuals at the same time, probably in about an hour I'll be done

                                                                                                                                                            well sir not need to be rude, I always write in a polite way my observations. I don't understand why when somebody lacks of arguments they start with the aggresions? enjoy your free day

                                                                                                                                                            Although Idle has been eliminated, that still doesn't stop the people with more than one account using the next account to gain more drops after their 10-hours-a-week is up. Not to mention those that use their siblings' gaming habits to feed their trading habits...

                                                                                                                                                        5.66-5.77 is fine

                                                                                                                                                          Didn't you see all that wall of proof screaming that 5.88 is possible and should be in the range now?

                                                                                                                                                          Nice proofs, upvoted.

                                                                                                                                                            2 weeks now

                                                                                                                                                              Already pointed out yesterday noon, still worth pointing out anyway.

                                                                                                                                                                Sorry to tell you that your proof of 5.88refs is totally a mess, it's so ambigous is full of "Key-->Single Refined" like this ones (Links from you 5.88 proof)

                                                                                                                                                                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13075639

                                                                                                                                                                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12972371

                                                                                                                                                                Note that both the last "Added" message was a week ago, also maybe those adds where for a lower Price and then they modified the description to 5.88, that may expalin the lack of recent adds.


                                                                                                                                                                Sorry but where's the Wall of 5.88refs proof? I just see a bunch of recent unsolds and ads that keep changing their prices. You are just relying in having the luck that an admin is in good mod or those admin's "happy hour" where they accept all kind of suggestion, to get this accepted

                                                                                                                                                                  nope.avi

                                                                                                                                                                  Maybe if you looked at the younger trades' solds you'd understand. Those that are old enough to seem like that are conveniently descrpited (e.g.http://puu.sh/3ShBd.png ). Maybe that's not all accurate, but if there's something for sure is that 5.88 IS possible (and nobody here seems to understand that) and that there are buyers who are willing to pay that much.

                                                                                                                                                                    well that's what I'm refferring as "totally a mess" first of all discard the bots, the "Sold none" and the not bumped ones, that's like 80% of your "Undeniable Wall of Prooof"

                                                                                                                                                                      6 ref sellers don't matter, ignore them. I'm talking about 5.88 ones, which actually get to sell something. I can't edit it anymore though, it's been more than an hour since I posted it.

                                                                                                                                                                    You don't want to manipulate the market don't you? Look at your own suggestions http://backpack.tf/u/76561198070917292

                                                                                                                                                                    btw, this confirms my eariler comment that people vote on key suggestions solely based on their opinions and not on the proof provided

                                                                                                                                                                    y do keys hafff to change?

                                                                                                                                                                    http://i.imgur.com/tJAiouE.png

                                                                                                                                                                    during the time between the last suggestion and this one i sold 3 for 5 ref each.

                                                                                                                                                                      That's your fault, not ours.

                                                                                                                                                                      A single trade does not represent the entirety of the market anyway.

                                                                                                                                                                        i'm just giving my counter proof, i never said it was anyone's fault nor did i say that my trade proved their's wrong.

                                                                                                                                                                          And how does that counter my suggestion?

                                                                                                                                                                          It's neither in the current range nor it's enuogh proof to make the price not go up. It was your decision to sell keys for that low, allowing the buyer to make a decent profit.

                                                                                                                                                                            i understand its a grain of sand in an endless ocean, but i'm not here to disprove your suggestion, i gave all of the ref-key trades i've made between the last suggestion and this one, it's proof of my trades that happened to go against your suggestion, if i had bought keys at 5.88 then i would have posted them there with them. so could you please calm down.

                                                                                                                                                                              I'm not even mad. What I mean is that your sales prove nothing (at least related to the suggestion)

                                                                                                                                                                      gotta downvote this i don't agree with the 5.88 i only see bots selling at this price. since admins will pass this regardless for their stupid profit i guess ill lose some rep but i have hope ,i may have some keys but i don't agree with 5.88, prices will continue to rise till they're 10 ref a key downvote.

                                                                                                                                                                        *sigh* you don't see the goddamn wall of proof don't you? bot's aren't the only ones that get to sell for 5.88, there's many people that are able to sell many keys at this price in a day. Voting is all up to you, however.

                                                                                                                                                                          That wall of proof you put sold at least one per post. while i can buy 7 keys in a half hour of posting buying keys for 5.66. They all mostly only sold 1 key not multiple, not bulks. The people that buy for 5.88 are probably quickbuyers or people who fear prices of keys will rise again due to greed.

                                                                                                                                                                            Then that group of people is clearly a majority, and 5.66 is still in the range for a reason

                                                                                                                                                                              The thing that's making everyone buy keys is future speculation, everyday more and more people buy keys because of chances that in the future keys will rise to even more, making them a viable way to profit.

                                                                                                                                                                        Now looking at it, everyone may disagree, but has someone (other than final) actually provided valid counterproof?

                                                                                                                                                                          You will never get good counter proof. A key suggestion always have been criticized with useless bickering, nothing else.

                                                                                                                                                                            And I just realise everyone commenting here is either getting blindly liked/disliked or simply butthurt.

                                                                                                                                                                              Welcome to backpack.tf !!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                Welcome to key-suggestions*

                                                                                                                                                                            um, stop what

                                                                                                                                                                            And this is why I am never going to suggest a new price for things used as currency.

                                                                                                                                                                              Going to have to downvote. The market doesn't flow with quicksells.

                                                                                                                                                                                  How so? Proof that it would be a better range than the current range or better than 5.66-5.88 ref?


                                                                                                                                                                                  Or are you just saying that to just say it?

                                                                                                                                                                                    Here's my trade where I sold 2 for 5.88: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13288304

                                                                                                                                                                                      Is it me or is bp.tf's comments only butthurt everywhere?

                                                                                                                                                                                      Anyway: Nice proof, upvoted.

                                                                                                                                                                                            sold 11 keys at 5.88, sell nothing at 6ref,i dont keep much stock.guess that is a success. it's something


                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13060015

                                                                                                                                                                                                  this, i feel, is the first key suggestion of keys going up that won't be accepted.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  a week ago I sold a key for 6 ref in less than 2 hours. I will not vote on this price suggestion, I have no idea what to vote for

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm going to be honest, me neither. I'm actually voting neutral on my own suggestion.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11238190

                                                                                                                                                                                                        http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13084897

                                                                                                                                                                                                        http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12396340

                                                                                                                                                                                                        This made me cry a bit...


                                                                                                                                                                                                        http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10287610

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I went on to just bookmark this XD Amazingly sold one key....


                                                                                                                                                                                                        These prices are going haywire..

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I didn't even expect the last one to sell any, and I had come across that many times before

                                                                                                                                                                                                              It's gonna crash sooner or later.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Not now tho, counter-idling, unlike what many people thought, will not stop the inflation.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Valve didn't invent the TF2 economy, that's why they don't care. The game was supposed to be played, not to be a "war-themed hat simulator". Also, your long 274-word essay has already been said shortened up there^^.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  We both agree that valve doesn't care.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And so what if the game was meant to be played?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  It's not meant that way anymore.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And the essay was nothing.. I typed that in like 10 minutes max..

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm stating that because Valve has no impact on the market (other than releasing new items or stuff like the resent polycount nerf or sales). They made the game without any idea of an economy behind. They can't really do anything about it now, other than making keys go on sale which will most likely affect thousands of traders.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Let's use some examples of the ratio of accpeting and declining to show how the % is lower and higher


                                                                                                                                                                                                                        TRYING TO RAISE AND ACCEPTED -

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        http://backpack.tf/vote/id/50cbc90aba2536e27c000017 31.07%, What the hell? Even look at the proof and the negative feedback from the community!


                                                                                                                                                                                                                        TRYING TO LOWER BUT DECLINED -

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        http://backpack.tf/vote/id/517b0d9a4bd7b86d5900000d 72.91%, rejected, look at how there is more proof in this suggestion than the other example.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Take a look at the feedback too, does it seem to have a difference?


                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Let a moderator warn me about this, does it look like I care?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          People always simply scream and dislike when someone attempts to increase the keys' value (or mess with currency for that matter). All I'm doing here is updating the site's prices so that they'd reflect the current economy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            You know what? If this gets accepted, then I'm going to do a counter proof when the time comes.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                            And when it comes, let's take a look at the feedback.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            #bradgimmemorecommentspace

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The few times someone was brave enough to try to lower the price of keys, they've been cheered and acclaimed by the community, yet it has only happened once so far (afaik):

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://backpack.tf/vote/id/517c7db74bd7b8cd31000007

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            backpack.tf is meant to be accurate. No matter what percentage of the community is against it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            (inb4 cleverpun warn)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Voting does not influence wheter a suggestion is accepted or not, all voting is for is to see how accurate someone is when it comes to pricing items.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I agree.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Now lets see how the admins think about before accepting/declining this.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Exactly. Valve doesn't care about the key inflation because they make money off of it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            If they really did care about balancing the economy, they would put a sale on keys for $1. But then they wouldn't make as much at all.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            So why should they do that??

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Take it to the forums

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Ok, :( I'm sorry Based Cleverpun.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Talk 300...NEW RECORD

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I've got a feeling that what you did was a BAD idea (unless you simply don't care about it at all)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'd just wait until we're both down to hell.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Anyway, I've been waiting for some counterproof all these days.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yeah I guess I went overboard. Like I was playing Russian roulette or something. It's just all your comments were immediately shot down because of the dislikes and I find it unfair when people are like that. A random dislike on a comment is like saying "I don't care what your opinion is, mine is the only one that matters no matter how convincing it is or what it says." I hate it when people do that. I shamely admit I had a beer or 2.... Hey if this gets randomly disliked too, I.will.eat.all.of.your.sandviches. Oh whatever, if this gets approved the only thing that will change is that keys will have 5.77 as the new average. Then people will desperately sell keys for 6 Ref, then we all know what happens after.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                "Good morning everyone, hope everyone is having fun."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Bought 12 keys from about 6 diffrent people in a day for 5.66.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  WHY THE HELL PEOPLE CAN'T SEE THE GODDAMN 5.66 STILL IN THE RANGE?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Alright, 5.66 still in the range because buyers are still able to get at that, yet sellers who post get rid of theirs very quickly

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Well in my honest opinion I really don't think the price should go up. Yes Pyroman has obvious proof for sales for keys but consider this. The site is based off votes people give on pricing which Valve literally gave us in the Mannconomy Update. Most of the votes for keys increasing in price are usually negative. But why do they still go up? Admins of course (Mostly in the early stages of key prices around 2012) . And what happens when the prices change? People A. Change their trade to that pricing. B. Increase the price to something even higher to try and make new suggestions be the price their selling for. Take this album of picture in mind. http://imgur.com/a/t71sl ( I mostly looked at the key suggestions) When key suggestion were to boost the price a scrap it was accepted while ones were to make it cheaper were declined. Now I have one simple question, Why should we trust a site that admins technically choose the prices? I don't know if it's for personal gain or not also I don't know if anyone else posted something relative to what I'm saying. The reason I post this is just to let my voice be heard on the matter so thanks if you read this. In no way am I saying your suggestion is terrible our good Pyroman, but it's quite accurate.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        You sire, are a legend.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Because all the proof used to makes keys decline were based on quick sells (Keys that were being sold for the low end and were picked clean in seconds.)


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Try selling a key for 5.66 ref or less (hell even 5.77 ref) and see how many adds you get in a few seconds.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Also http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13322382 that right there sir is 10/10 advertisement right there, would vote again.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            admins have also accepted suggestions that where droping the key prices!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            blaming them for the community habits to rise currency is tottaly BS.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            keys have start to stabilise cause of the counter idle messure valve introduced last week ...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            already start to utilise in market and hopefully keys have come to a peak point.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            i can only see them drop from now on.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            (i was selling keys for 5.88 ref for a week

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            no sells no comments not even 1 lowballer in my trade)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            it is a HUGE downvote!!


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              also i have quote in the past that valve is dying to add ref in the community market!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              as their major income is from microtransactions.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              they couldn`t do it because of the idle threat.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The idle threat update is pointing the way to go!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              valve wants the ref to be stabilized and they will put it up on market for sure!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              the profit for them it will going to be huge!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ref is the most tf2 tradable item either it cost 10 cents or 50 cents

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              They desperately want it in the microtransaction market but without the threat of the ref idlers.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2-3 ref per key is a good price i am guessing it will be set back to that until halloween hopefully.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              dont forget about yiannis varoufakis and his economic analusis about mannconomy and equilibrium.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The reason you could not sell keys for 5.88 ref was because you were selling for 6 ref http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13165552 also, I may be wrong, but a few of them have different owners, which means you used them to buy things or you actually sold at that price

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  i do rise it up but only when i had 1-2 keys left the rest keys where sold for miscs and hats at 5.88 ref i was desperate to utilize the highest key prices of all time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  i know that i wont get a chance to sell keys that high ever again!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  (i just change my notes the last day hoping that there would be buyers for 6 ref after a week at 5.66 ref it only makes sence!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  after all i had no problems selling keys for 6 ref before the valves update.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ref farmers are waiting for key prices to drop they will use their last stocks of ref to buy keys when keys drop back to 3-4 ref they where supporting the key fiasco because they had no reassons not to ref for them was like ''free hour''

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  since the free party time is over they are keeping the stock of ref they own until keys drop back down so they can purchase the double quantitys''

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  i was farming ref for all this years and i know what i am talking about!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  farming ref is not against valve policys by the way...or it wasnt(anyhow i cant farm it any longer :( )

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  to be honest i preffer to hoard ref than keys now makes more sence to me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Wants keys to lower, sells keys for high prices. Yeah, you really are a saint

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      i never said i want keys to lower !! i be damn if i said that. i want keys at 10 ref if possible!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      valve wants the keys to be lower refwise not me..i am a profit trader why should i want keys to drop? just to buy a few hundred?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      i have more to lose if keys drop..

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      my bp (and yours as everyones)will drop in value when keys start to drop..

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      it is only maths.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I did not check anyone else's backpack but the value of your backpack will definitely drop if the key rises not drops, you apparently wrote the wrong way. 80% of your backpack will loose it's value if keys rose in metal, and your unusual will lose in value as the buds drop.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13020117 24th july before the idle update sold 4 keys for 6 pure ref in 10 seconds or something! after the idle update keys start to drop!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    market and traders slow reaction keep keys steady at 5.66 ref the price will drop eventually as ref farmers will hoard their ref and wait till the time is right to buy the keys they can for the ref they farmed for the last time

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yeah. they did. Once.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Not quite enough sold @ 5.88 to add it to range.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Downvote from me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13351732

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Still unsold, just sayin' :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Personally, I have been unable to sell many at all at 5.88, and im a blue donor on outpost, downvoted, and I own 30 keys...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Which makes sense. Who the h311 wants their main currency to be sold at 5.88? Like 'Fnal2500' said,people need it, and people need it fast for painted team captains and stuff.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              <has keys

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              <wants them to drop

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                have you tried selling them for 5.77 ref?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            How the hell could this get 3000+ votes? I didn't think of that when I submitted the suggestion.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            So this is now the most voted and commented suggestion on backpack.tf ever...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              lol at people (again) downboating this

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              this may not get passed but it doesn't really matter to me, I don't even feel the BURN

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Wherever this is going, I aggree with 'Final2500' because he not only proves his point with sold and/or lower prices on the right track, but I think that most of 'Pyroman's suggestions are mostly unsold and have stayed that way for days or even weeks.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I have never seen such a long 'forum post' on any of these tf2-price selling/ reccomending sites; nor have I seen such brilliant comebacks to the original post owner him/herself.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              In conclusion, I must agree with 'Felix2500'. Quite obviously, it would be tedious to like every single post HE made, so I make this one myself.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                *FInal2500, not Felix, and liking wouldn't be just easier than typing a long message?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Actually, people do manage to sell keys for said higher price in a short period of time. It's just that people are looking at the few links that could be used as potential counterproof.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  If your'e going to raise the price by an average of half a scrap, or course people are going to make a big whoop about it. It's the main currency! If you raise it by that much, practically everyone will make the highest possible without it being 'unreasonable'. At lest I put time and effort into my own opinion, instead of just playing the 'safe side'. Had I not also metioned, 'I have never seen such a long 'forum post''. If I want to say something, I have a reason, right? It's probably good to AT LEAST SOME folks out there, right? So I would explain my reason, instead of 'scavenging' for the many sold keys for a different kind of 'proof'. plus, you can't even get the majority of your way of proving things 'sold'.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Also, that's just straight up cheap that you just dislike everyone who's on the other side while you like the 2 people that are on your side. Two can play that way. You just can't counter our reasoning and proof while everyone downvotes your post. My first post was polite, grammatical, spelled correctly, and resonable. I have tried to keep it that way, and the next ones will not be that way.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I haven't disliked that, http://puu.sh/3TwPu.png

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        lel at people disliking all of my comments, even those that don't make sense disliking at all

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Anyway, if you insist on countering your reasoning.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Sellers do not necessarily have just sold to those 5 that said "added" in their comments, i.e. when buying an item (personally) I never post "added", it's just pointless. Also, the point of the suggestion is to say that 5.88 is possible, not that it sells in lightning speed. It is fast enuogh to be considered, and no, not like Final says, they don't sell 5-6 a week, they sell for way more than that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Don't know how did you even come up with Felix, but thanks.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm going to say no to this Price Suggestion just beacuse that idling is now banned and eventually Ref will rise beacuse of that so it may affect the prise of keys. And in my opinion TF2Outpost isn't a good example just beacuse the amount of low/high ballers out there.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I've said it up there, idling being banned hasn't had any important effect yet, and most of the proof used in this site comes from outpost, what's your point?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Just a little note again it's just my opinion and yes idling being banned hasn't made any effect on Ref yet just as I said before and my point is that people buy low and sell high on TF2Outpost.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          that's not news

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          if it weren't for that keys wouldn't have risen in the first place, lol

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I know what you mean but it would have been nice if you have posted links from TF2Bazaar too and i'm going to end this discussion here beacuse I really didn't come here to discuss anything I came here to post my opinion that's all.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                dude stop going overboard, you can get warned for each of these comments.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm not going overboard, I'm just showing all the people how they are acting. That's just fair since we must to all their irrelevant and unproven "arguments".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            This doesn't mean a shit as long as nobody buys the items.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Those 1.5 millionen pieces of Ref, which exist right now, won't disappear due to this patch. They are still there, the amount will continue to rise. The price won't fall; UNLESS those mad people stop buying for higher prices.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Exactly,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            also about stats on pieces of ref and keys.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Currently there's 2160182.44 in public backpacks (incluiding F2P's and scrap/rec), and 575060 keys.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            if we wanted a value of keys equal to the current existing metal, that'd be ~3.77

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Ever heard about supply and demand? Cause this runs the market, not how much of something exists.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yes, that's what rules over the market.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                What I stated is sipmly that if demand and supply were equal that'd be the ideal price.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Of course it would be nice, but that's not how the market works. I mean if go like this, gasolin would cost about 10 cents per liter..

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Well for 5 day i bought 3 Keys for 5.66


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13205324


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        And I bought also 2 from this guy


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13250557

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          You people are blind aren't you? 5.66 is in the goddamn range.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1.There's tons of buyers at that because it's easily profitable

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. That was most likely closed in less than 10 minutes after being posted.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I have been watching this scince it started just watching 1 comment and there does seem to be a TON of people who aren't noticing that 5.66 is in the range.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            You re breaking records - 400 comments, score 60 at counterproof , but I d rather keep those 2 weeks without price bump last even longer. Downvote

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The price won't stop rising just because we aren't reporting an accurate price here.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                although sometimes it just seems like the price goes up/down because of bp.tf


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                just sayin'

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  It's not bp.tf's fault that there are little kids who are still willing to pay more for keys. The don't need to buy keys for 6 Ref etc, but they do it. And afterwards they whine about a more accurate price.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Your sentence is wrong.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Why do you want to make the price more accurate?*

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  394 people talking about a single price change.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  That's an academy record!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  This has to have a top, right? You can see that this can't cost more than ~7.55 ref at 0.33$ each (Well, it's a lot of metal anyway so, this can take time lol).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    After idling has slightly ceased I doubt metal would go any lower (although it won't go any higher either soon), it's most likely that keys won't go any higher than $2.49 in value (7.22, ref being at $0.34)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      But keys haven't reached the top yet.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Keys are still not hard to get for 5.66 and I haven't seen many go for 5.88. You are false when you say "There's currently none selling for 5.66 (at the time of posting)" I will downvote until there are a significant amount of buyers at 5.88.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      for the last goddamn time 5.66 IS IN THE GODDAMN RANGE. There were actually absolutely NO people selling for that when I posted, and even if there were they are gone in seconds. The market is flooded with sellers at 5.88/6, and an occasional 5.77 that usually just sells as quick as 5.66. 5.88 is already proven to be quick enough, as the more time passes the more people pay for keys.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        You've completely missed my point. Also, no need to get aggressive, lets just be mature. My point was that, yes, 5.88 and even 6 ref per key is possible, but very, very few buy for that price. Maybe try backing up your proof of the supposed many buyers at 5.88 before adding it to the price range. That's the whole point of these suggestions.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm just starting to lose it after so many people say "but 5.66 ez stull possibiru" not seeing it's in the damn range. And if you mean buyers, there's actually no one with a post saying "buying keys for 5.88", none of the passed key suggestions even have one of those. The only buyers are those that buy from the sellers.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Yes I understand that. I just don't see any reason that 5.88 should be in the range, according to the proof that you have (or haven't) provided and from what the other community members have been saying. I'm sure you have proof somewhere but it would need to be in the proof section as we are voting based off of your suggestion and your proof. For the time being, my decision stays the same. If you provide some solid evidence, I will reconsider.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Then I'll have to add to those 3 chunks of proof up there.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I guess I'll have to do that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              As an added note, tf2finance seems to have key prices actually prices closer to 5.77 than 5.88. It might just be me, but it seems kind of misleading to say they have it priced at 5.8 because that can be interpreted as 5.88. I'm not saying anything bad against you, though. That piece of proof is completely valid, it just could be interpreted incorrectly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I sold mine for 6 ref a week ago in a few hours. But I'm not voting on this suggestion yet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              In all honestly it took me a minute to read that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I kind of like the 5.66-5.77 range right now. Like everyone has been saying, 5.88 isn't fast enough. Sure, people are able to sell 5.88, heck I sold 4 keys at 5.88, but it was to the same guy after the trade was up for a day I believe, and he was desperate. I'm still able to buy keys at 5.66 easily I think they may be consistent right here for a bit.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Honestly this is a HUGE sigh of relief seeing that keys aren't going up as fast.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                hell the key average hasn't increased for like 3 weeks on trade.tf and it has just changed and it's barely 0.05 change, leaning towards both 5.77 and 5.88

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I won't bother discussing this anymore, I'll just wait until cleverpun comes over.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Now after all that spamming up there and this comment I seriously have no idea on which side you are.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Also, how long have you been banned?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Upvote. I've sold two at 6 ref.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2 Keys @ 6 Ref sold in .. 1 Week?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Call yourself a successful Trader, Please.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yeah that means no wanted to pay 6 ref for a key, a week ago but they are paying 6 ref now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm not trying to be a "successful trader". I posted two separate trades, selling 1 key in each of them. The first one, I posted two days ago, and sold that one last night. The other one, I posted an hour ago, and was sold within 30 mins. I sold the two keys because I wanted to pay for some games in metal.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        444 comments... Holy shit.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        (445)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          As much as I hate to do it, upvoted. :|

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I say, if bots are selling @ 5.88, then that should not be in the price range. lol.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13373426


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                i put up my trade and 10 minutes later a guy added me

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                they gave me 6 ref when i only asked for 5.88

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                the trade is longer because i forgot to close it

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  That means he don't want to recraft metal just because 1 scrap and he also don't want wasting his time just to save few scraps (he is quickbuuyer)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    well i had three other people add me when i woke up that were still willing to buy at 5.88

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      that means there's more quickbuyers

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Finally when will this be decided

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    5.66-5.77 is still more relevant. Down vote from me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      If we are leaving 5.66 in the range we might as well add 5.88 since has been shown to be possible. I only would do this becuase 5.66-5.77 are usually bought up very quickly and resellers who buy 5.77 -> sell for 5.88 are still in business plus of course, 5.88 is shown to be sellable.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      But it definately looks like the price of keys has been slowing down. P