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Is it just me or haven't the keys changed in well over a week? NEW RECORD
This is my first attempt at suggesting a change for an item used as currency, please don't vote solely based on opinion, look at the proofs and the market trends.
Anyway, eh, I am here to correct this (I really need to get out of the unusual scene).
There's currently none selling for 5.66 (at the time of posting)
Selling for 5.77
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10707606
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13145558
http://bazaar.tf/trade/332266 - 5.82
http://bazaar.tf/trade/332277 - 5.82
Selling for 5.88
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13075639 - Sold 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13238584 - Sold none (a day old)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11087877 - Changes prices frequently, impossible to tell
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13250294 - Sold 4
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13266872 - Sold none (hour old)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13239471 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13192269 - Sold 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12860554 - Changes prices (34?)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12972371 - Sold 86 in total (has one frequent buyer)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11851330 - Bot, changes prices.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13077313 - Sold at least one, most of the added posts are to sell
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12493596 - One (not hidden) post about a day old saying "added", seller changes prices
http://bazaar.tf/trade/335269 - Unknown
http://bazaar.tf/trade/289767 - Bot, has sold some
http://bazaar.tf/trade/335420 - Unknown
http://bazaar.tf/trade/334858 - Unknown
http://bazaar.tf/trade/333258 - Unkown
http://bazaar.tf/trade/324169 - Unkown
http://bazaar.tf/trade/285372 - Several recent added posts
The amount of people selling at 6 (or "5.99") is OUTRAGEOUS, I mean, seriously, that's like 60% of all.
Yet they don't sell anything.
Buying for 5.66
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12982636
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13262413
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12387496
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13077313
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10707606
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13266754
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13255086
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13262583
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13264890
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13117610
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13266007
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13249221
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12642827
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13229298
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13016594
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12690810
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13179185
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13166880
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12525769
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11656671
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12024968
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11739437
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13048663
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12293288
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12958608
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13266803
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12799188
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12850306
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12536779
http://bazaar.tf/trade/315642
Buying for 5.77
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13225771
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12851915
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12965859
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13238270
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12647792
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12804034
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13143488
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11355818
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13206806
http://bazaar.tf/trade/316874
http://bazaar.tf/trade/333258
http://bazaar.tf/trade/324169
http://tf2finance.com/keys/ now prices keys at 5.8 ref
Alright you all want 5.66 in the range right, well there you go (I still don't see any reason to let it be like that since there's no sellers)
Now this looks a tad bit better.
still not enough, tho
He made another suggestion prior to this one, the range was 5.77-5.88, he reopened it and thats beter, and 5.88 ref isn't that hard to get mate, just made a test run how fast keys sell for 5.88 ref, i sold one in 5 mins.
while i do know, he provided 0 buyers, and some of his sold are "unknown" which makes no sense and is no proof, his proof isn't good compared to other key suggestions
I believe all key suggestions are like this, and still get passed, I just got used to them passing since everyone including the admins like profit, but hey I am not judging your comment, maybe you are right and i'm wrong, but then yesterday someone made a suggestion making keys drop in price and had actual proof, and I upvoted that since the proof made sence, but the admins closed it almost after 20 mins of being out.
Pkms is right, every time I've seen someone try to lower prices, the trade has been shut down despite the liberal amount of proof for their views. Half of the people making these price-increase suggestions already have tons of keys, which definitely suggests that they're interested in increasing their backpack's value. I, along with others, have been trying to create a demand for cheaper keys, with mixed success.
I don't even have any keys or items priced with keys in my backpack lol
Pyro, just to clarify, I wasn't targeting anyone in particular, but what I've said is a disconcertingly common trend with items such as this.
Agreed, I've mostly seen this with suggestors such as Long and Hatch
Maybe I'm missing something here but here's this http://www.trade.tf/price/5021/6 It shows that it's been stable for 5.66 refined for a week. Who knows, I may be wrong, but I do know for sure is that you need a lot more proof than that for such a demanding currency. At least Hatch has a wall of buyers above current price that make it convincing. Hell, you don't even have 5.88 buyers to begin with. Also, you need at least like 50 links to get this passed. A mere 19 links won't help you that much.
key prices being stable? how is that even possible?
let me take a look at that, anyway
if you want to refer to trade.tf prices then feel free to use it over backpack
Also it takes item trades not only ref-keys trades.
^^ he said it, I was going to tell you that trade.tf does not inclued only metalkeys, but all items
You don't have enough proof to defend those 5.88 buyers of yours, and there is a small chance to sold 5.88. Staying neutral for now.
Have you looked below (I mean way below)?
There are multiple sellers that have sold theirs for 5.88, they're flooding the market along 6 ref, 5.66 and 5.77 sellers are rare outside trade servers now
As I've said above, you need to support much proof that 5.88 (high end) really solds instantly. And yes, I do check your proofs. (Do not include bots, please.)
MORE PROOF DOWN BELOW, (some coments below)
http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/5021/6/0
4 keys selling at 5.66 ref. Each of them posted before your post.
Al of them have sold, they just left their posts open ( http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198079660711 ) seems to be a frequent seller, tho.
Then again, 5.66 is in the range.
Here's mine :)
My bot (Buy/Sell) - 5.77/5.88: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11660037
Bot is also on Bazaar.tf: http://bazaar.tf/trade/334266
I buy keys for 5.66 and sell for the same price above.
Happy Inflations :3
As i called 5.55 not fast enough. 5.88 is not fast enough neither.
When it comes to keys (in my opinion) you need to be fast enough to sell Maybe 10-20 keys per day as its the main currency. These people are patient and want their profit. And the buyers (I'm sure as hell) Mostly people who are unpatient And/Or need quick keys.
Mostly what i hate is Sellers get that 5-10 success FOR A WEEK And they call it "Sold manyy "Come on. its currency for a week it should be faster than that. You can't just call it Succesfull. Not caring about the fact that that trade has been opened for a DARN WEEK
its foolish.
If you want a REAL EXAMPLE: "
" http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13075639 - Sold many " <Trades opened for a week. And after looking to his bp how are you sure that he sold many? Theres also only 2 "Added" Comments. And Seller's metal is only enough for Barely 3 keys.
For another Example:
I could open a buying trade for 5.55 And get 10-20 Keys in a MONTH and will you guys call it "Succesfully bought" and decrease the price? You shouldnt. It goes same logic with sellers. Mind that its currency. It Always sells fast. More than just how many it sold. You should think like HOW MANY : "Sold/per week" "Sold/per Month"
By the way, as its conservetive bump:
5.88 Sellers are the only part that supports your suggestion.
You'll need more than that.
I said it at the recent suggestion but im saying it again.
I'm doing this just to reflect prices. I'm not looking for profit. As this suggestion is wrong. I'm going to stand against it.
If admins could read this, this could give them a better idea.
^As its my aim. More the upvotes more the higher this post gets.
Downvote from me.
U ARE THE BEST PERSON I HAVE EVER MEET EXPLAINING TO PEOPLE ...
DOWNVOTE WITH U KING <3
^^ you have no idea of what you're doing, don't you?
I didn't really notice this comment lol, let me reply to this,
5.55 IS fast enough, otherwise, why would tons of buyers and no sellers at that price be at outpost? eh!? Give me a valid explanation. 5.66 also seems to be quite more leaning to a quicksell. Most of the suggestions passed using the logic of people bieng able to sell for higher. No matter how long they've been selling for. THere's tons of buyers at 5.66 and 5.77, enough to justify the current range, and buyers being at 5.88 can support the range going up. And if you haven't noticed yet, there's even more than the ones I posted above (the ones posted below, btw) Feel free to prvide counterproof, supported by actual trades and such.
1. When i said 5.55 i was talking about buyers. Thats why i increased it to 5.66
2. Can you provide us any difference between 5.77-5.66-5.55....1Ref. In "selling time". Any of these prices go in minutes. It is currency. It is indeed fast. But however. When people sell for 6 Ref. Almost no success that even bots lowered to 5.88. ACTUAL PEOPLE get barely success a day.
Now for an item that has pretty much instantly fast market. Would you call "A Key per day" Succesfull?
"Succesfull" really seem veeery basic meaning to you. Maybe in real life yes. But in economy its a Big NO.
I just can't help but *succesful
1. Most sell WAY more than a key per day (no, not the bots)
2. People buying at 5.66/5.77 resell at 5.88. If they weren't succesful at doing that, they wouldn't be still buying, wouldn't they?
3. Lower end prices sell extremely quickly because they're easily profitable. 5.88 does not sell as quick as that yet it does sell.
My point is that 5.88 IS possible (I'm quite tired of saying that) andit doesn't take as much time as before, thus, should be included in the range.
But*
1.Not what i exactly meant.
2.Never said that they arent unsuccesful. But not succesful enough for a currency.
3. 5.77 Sells quick too. And as i said. Patient Sellers / Unpatient Buyers.
My point is that 5.88 is possible. But not fast enough to be in the range. I SAID IT SO MANY TIMES TOO! (We have so much in common!)
#Plzdontdislikemycumments
I guess we can't understand each other's statements.
I've looked at other key suggestions (mainly Hatch Rawer Beryl's) and they all share something in common with mine, higher ranges sell at the same rate, and there's 0 buyers on outpost. IMO (opinion=/=proof, but this should count iunno) this is quick enough to be considered.
i was truying to sell keys for 5.88-6.00 ref for a week i close the trade none keys sold...
Downboat
do not ignore tf2 finance guys..
they are more accurate than any price suggestion for keys ever been brought up for voting.
Valve counter idling messures have already start to utilize in steady key prices..
thank god keys are starting to drop again!
#PlsmorespacestoreplyBRAD
Because i see no one ever thought about this. Suggestor's logic be like
"Wooow! After a month he sold few keys! So succesful! Must suggest!"
And this is wrong if you think about it.
Now. I'm here. For the first time trying to explain.
If your point is that 5.88 sellers are barely able to sell at a slow rate after a long time, then that's wrong.
Exactly. But this is also this website's fault. People work with 'Conomy to get profits. Thats a uh.. normal thing. The very first suggestion has started this was based on profit trades too. Again.
"Its possible anyways. So why not put it in the range?" Logic. Actually first suggestions had good votes. But when it reached to 3 ref people started waking up. That there will always be profit-trade out there. Again. Not sellers fault. But the ones' fault who controls the economy. The ones Who have the pricelist. Which takes the point to the website.
On the other hand seller's started thinking that key prices won't stop because of the same thing happening over and over again. So now we are here. Where some buyers trying to predict the future so they overpay for the keys. they think they will profit in future.
Keys won't stop until another major event (hope not a key sale). That doesn't really affect me now, alas, my bp's poor as hell~
Anyway, if we're already doomed to make this loop go on, and key hoarders profiting from this, then I wonder why people are against key suggestions.
Responding to pryoman
"Keys won't stop until a major event"
Keys will stop rising when the keys rise to -6 ref [no new players would be able to buy them as they would only 6 weps to 12 a week] [as we see now]so the hoarders of keys could only resell to other hoarders .
As you've noticed no there was no suggestion for almost 2 weeks. Yes that is a record. Maybe more people are standing against it. We are not doomed. We are just unpaitently feeding the
DemonsSellers.Actually some people think if they sell at 2.33 they may jump back to it.
No. Think about how we got it up here. 1 Scrap each everyDAY.(Yes. the times where there was no limit and 3to4 ref inflation happened so fast because of that)
You get it down the same way. Dont buy keys for high prices. you won't die for not getting them. Again. Same way. Just make a buying trade with 5.55 and stand patiently.
You know why 6 ref sellers decreased to 5.88 because No one bought from them. Thats the Key(haha) right there!
SO PUNNY
w/e, if this ends up passing then most likely the key won't reach 6 until much later. It may even start crashing some days later
Final, you have my respect. Your wall of text awoken my eyes and turned my neutral vote to a downvote. If this suggestion gets passed, I will counter-suggest and use your quotes as an example. Or you can do it either way.
Final, I support your posts and all, but weren't you the last accepted price change? for it to go up a scrap?
Yep. As i said. I'm here to reflect prices. I'm neutral. But it wouldnt hurt to give couple o' tips.
Let's cheer up a little bit shall we?:
http://i.imgur.com/PDwI1ul.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/AL0qUFJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XA65we2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7jY8shB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/MeUsDvV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FoqCnF4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wVtjlL7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CpjsYfO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XcYIUzo.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/OSliLDY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/c2iByFZ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HUcTNnE.jpg
I'll quote J-j-jon here
"I kept looking at them hoping they would get better.
They didn't"
"I almost cried to that comment"
Make an album on imgur. It will be much easier to view :)
Here you go:
http://imgur.com/a/nan7l
/\ argument about the value of a virtual key used to open virtual boxes that have virtual items. So basically what I'm trying to say is...why are you arguing?
http://backpack.tf/vote/id/51e7e87a4bd7b83511000004
How come you call 5.55 not fast when on your very own suggestion you call 5.77 fast?
5.55 = Buyers
5.77/88 = Sellers.
Follow the Keyconomy bro.
Your comments don't just follow, you're talking about buyers on one sentence, then about buyers on another.
How many keys/month or keys/week or keys/day do I have to show you such that I could be called a successful seller at 6 ref?
Still better than having a success 1-3 times a day and calling yourself successful.
Well if the sellers has only 3 keys and he is able to sell it, then he is successful. You are no one to call him unsuccessful.
For the ILOSTTHECOUNT.st time im saying that they are not unsuccesfull. But not successful enough. Might sound very similiar but it has a difference.
Still not enough. If the sellers in question had their trade open for 100 days and they sold an average of 1-3 keys per day then they have every right to write lost the count. You still have no right to call them a liar, unless you can prove it.
Take my example, I cannot remember how many bills/buds/keys I have traded so far, and yet I can tell you, I have traded them enough in my 6106 trades over 8 months. I haven't removed my trades for many months too.
Whoa what? Who did i call a liar?
I'm just writing what i see.
Now this is just to a comment to testify that people are simply here to downvote suggestions making keys go up while upvoting suggestions that make keys go down.
Why is everyone going against me? Because of course, what I'm trying to do is to make keys rise so that they'd reflect what the current market trends show. An example of votes simply done on biased opinions is http://puu.sh/3SdMn.png
Both suggestions were properly backed up with proof, yet more people agreed with the first than the second. Why? Because obviously those traders that don't have enough resources to buy keys don't want them to rise even more, and such downvote in vain, as these would be eventually accepted. People who don't use backpack.tf frequently and downvote on suggestions that are against their own benefit simply do so because they don't know how the system works. This site is meant to show the market and a rough estimate of the value items are given in the present in general. Dislike this comment if it doesn't please you, just want to share my opinion. Not sure if this can get warned, though.
And if there's something that I learned from this is that suggesting on a currency is playing with fire.
*suggesting on a currency with a mess of proof is actually playing with fire
I down vote suggestions that make keys go up as keys ARE ruining bills, earbuds.
For a currency, you may about 1000+ keys per day transferred over the market for that price.
To be honest, you just created a rhetorical question, where you answered your own question. Since only YOUR opinion should EVER be enforced, since you believe yourself to be empirically correct, everyone who dares disagree with you is wrong by principle. Also, since you are so ignorant that you ignore the context of aforementioned suggestions, it does not make sense in your perfect little prism.
Also, look who is the author of the suggestion lowering the price: Chigga, who has a history of backing up his findings with proof, so yeah, I am not buying the "I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG" angle.
One thing I have learned is that if you are losing sleep about some pixels and the only way you can gain some piece of mind is to basically say that anyone who even dares to disagree with you is inflecting bias, you have some serious priority issues. Personally, when I run into someone using the mannerisms that I have seen from you, based off of this suggestion, talking to aforementioned person feels more like a waste of time. For the most part, I see someone who is extremely butthurt because few of his comments are receiving any praise. People who play the game usually do not keep someone like you on their friends list, since all you care about is wanting to be right instead of actually understanding why people act in a certain way.
but he is absolutely right with that comment (from "Both suggestions..." on at least). i'm saying this because i am one of those "casual" traders.
meh, I just wanted to ask something and say my possible own answer there. I agree with you partially
Reposting here because people have (pointlessly) buried the other comment down there.
5.66 ref Sellers
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13268379 - Sold lots in under half an hour, only seller.
5.77 ref Sellers
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13145558 - Several sold, 4 bookmarks in 3 days
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13268992 - Out of stock in 8 minutes
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13266107 - Sold 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13238703 - Bought some
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10707606 - Bot, sold many.
5.88 ref Sellers
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11494453 - Bot, sold many
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13246773 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13075639 - Sold many
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13253711 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13266001 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13262282 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9388259 - Sold some, price changes frequently.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10806553 - Sold some
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13192269 - Sold 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13023324 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13263150 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13247899 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13225237 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13117194 - Sold one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13268060 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13164354 - Bot, sold some
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13081295 - Sold at least one for 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13018074 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12938027 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12499737 - Sold at least 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13209197 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13216787 - Sold 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12098055 - Sold many
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12169548 - Bot, sold some
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13266872 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12169548 - Bot, sold some
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13091427 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13238584 - Sold at least 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13266423 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13265351 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13247190 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13248146 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13238703 - Sold many, out of stock.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13200848 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13267262 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13223231 - Sold one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12881057 - Sold some
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13262878 - Sold at least one, added for 7?
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13160021 - Sold one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13257568 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13181799 - Sold 3
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13213922 - Bot, sold at least one (fake counter)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12844827 - Sold some
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12050155 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13211070 - Sold one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12881057 - Sold one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13023324 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12927538 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12972371 - Sold some at the current price
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13264451 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13200848 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12438427 - Sold a few, changes prices frequently
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12493596 - Sold at least one
6 ref Sellers
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13207996 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13193549 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13112005 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13264170 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13096001 - Sold one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13059127 - Sold one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13141396 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13258341 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13173287 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13112005 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13235419 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12974141 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13213184 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13215817 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13227123 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13254622 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12863032 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12699769 - Sold one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13249739 - Sold one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12727823 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13073561 - Sold at least one, bot
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13011565 - Added post, not sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12647792 - Bot, sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13265817 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13043876 - Sold some
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11619463 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13268064 - Sold one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12842410 - Sold 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12935040 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13254622 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13222811 - Sold one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13187244 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13268029 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13244068 - Sold some
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12059073 - Sold some
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13266110 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13179550 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13243175 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13268149 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13243522 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13162279 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13255423 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13169053 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13209341 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13251869 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10806553 - Sold at least one for 6 ref
5.66 ref Buyers
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10707606 - Bot, bought some
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13206620 - Bought some
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13126576 - Bought none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13117610 - Bought ~10 at current price
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13246773 - Bought 4
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12888352 - Bought many
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12293288 - Bought some
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13270675 - Very young, bought none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12888352 - Bought at least 10
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10806553 - Bought at least 1 at current price
5.77 ref Buyers
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12647792 - Bot, bought some
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12438427 - Bought many
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13250720 - Bought at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13111548 - Bought at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10672176 - Bought some
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13243175 - Bought 3
5.88 ref Buyers
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13270749 - Only buyer, a minute old.
http://puu.sh/3ReE0.png - Classifieds at the time of posting
Conser. bump. Only 5.88 sellers are valid. :/ And i'll be taking out others.
"Sold none"s and
"Bots"
Or some reposts.
I have nothing against you. But some people have that "So many links! he must be true!" Kind of logic.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13246773 - 1 User hid his own post. No evidence
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13075639 - Last success 5 days ago it seems.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13253711 - Sold 3 in 2 days. Not fast for a Currency
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13262282 - Sold one in 1 day.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10806553 - "added" Last one 2 weeks ago.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13192269 - 4 Days for 3 keys. Please. +150 wievs.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13023324 - No evidence that he sold one.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13263150 - Sold for 6 ref? Weird.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13225237 - According to the trade he sold 10 in 3 days.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13117194 - It didnt sold any.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13081295 - 6 Ref- He might. No comments or anything.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13018074 - Last comment 4 days ago. Not sure.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12938027 - Sold last 2 days ago.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12499737 - Sold at least 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13209197 - No evidence that he sold one. Trade have so less wievs.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13216787 - I like how he bought @5.55 more than he sold for 5.88
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12098055 - Last "Added" comment 2 weeks http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13238584 - Sold at least 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13266423 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13265351 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13238703 - Not sure many since we dont know how many keys he had. But yeah he probably sold some.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13200848 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13223231 - Sold one - In 3 days.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12881057 - Sold some 1 week ago.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13262878 - Sold at least one, added for 7????????????????????
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13160021 -
Sold oneHe put up 3 keys and his stock is still 3. He didnt sold any.http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13181799 - Sold 8 in 3 days.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12844827 - Sold some - Last comment 1 week ago.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12050155 - Sold at least one < Last "Added" 5 days ago.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13211070 - Sold one< Seems like sold both. in 3 days.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13023324 - Sold at least one < No evidence that he did.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12972371 - Thats a good trade. Last comment 16 hours ago.
Should sell more in a day tho.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13264451 -
Sold at least one< No evidence.http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12493596 - Last comment 2 days ago.
Oh yes, it's been buried now. Now that will make people skip over the proof.
Anyway, it's still unupdated, I'll redo this. Most of the evidence of sales are based on items' history, and keys being used as currency it's possible that they have been spent on something else, but not being in players' backpacks after posting the trade makes that possible. Not everyone has to post a comment saying "added", y'know.
Let me refine some of my proof, here's more to add (some has probably already been posted, I made sure not to include ANY bots)
Buyers
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13321909 - 5.77 (3 hours, bought none)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11656671 - 5.66 (bought lots over a month)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13323608 - 5.77 (1 hour, 1 bookmark and some keys in bp)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9070570 - 5.66 (several added posts, 4 months)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13324768 - 5.66 (1 hour, none bought)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12964247 - 5.66 (bought 20+ in a week?)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12106272 - 5.66 (price originally lower, 1 month)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13130940 - 5.66 (1 week, 1 added post)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13016594 - 5.66 (1 week, several added posts)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13299489 - 5.66 (1 day, bought none apparently)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13266076 - 5.66 (1 day, not bought)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12499548 - 5.66 (several added posts, 3 weeks)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13317588 - 5.77 (bought 5 in 8 hours)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13324718 - 5.77 (1 hour, unknown if bought)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13325661 - 5.66 (very young, none bought yet)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13130940 - 5.66 (1 added post, 1 week)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13016594 - 5.66 (1 week, some added posts)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12904635 - 5.66 (several added posts in a week)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13206620 - 5.66 (3 days, bought none?)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12011718 - 5.77 (some added posts)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13289378 - 5.77 (1 day, some added posts)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13324630 - 5.66 (1 hour, bought none yet)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13294477 - 5.77 (bought one)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13233574 - 5.77 (bought lots in 5 days)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13258030 - 5.77 (2 days, bought some)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12650522 - 5.77 (bought some, 2 weeks)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12779945 - 5.77 (not buying anymore, 2 weeks)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13217672 - 5.66 (apparently bought none for 3 days)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13325360 - 5.77 (less than an hour, bought none yet)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13301745 - 5.66 (20 hours, bought none yet)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13289562 - 5.66 (bought at least 1 in a day)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13314401 - 5.77 (10 hours, bought some - in bp)
Sellers
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13300309 - 5.88, sold all 7 in 18 hours
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13132197 - 6 ref, some added posts
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13235454 - 6 ref, 1 added (hidden) post
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13143698 - 6 ref (shows 5.33 in window, unsold for 5 days)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13018074 - 5.88, has sold one already (has one added post)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13084897 - 6 ref (sold none, 1 week)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11238190 - 6 ref (changes prices frequently)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8846644 - 6 ref (changes prices frequently)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12151863 - 6 ref (changes prices, unknown if there's recent sales)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13312652 - 6 ref (11 hours, not sold)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13156173 - 6 ref (sold 5 based on item history)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13041115 - 5.88 (has one added post, sold 13?)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12956611 - 6 ref (unknown)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13141745 - 6 ref (sold the one in the trade)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13308382 - 6 ref (sold none)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13235419 - 6 ref (sold 2)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13268514 - 5.88 (2 added buyers)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13323803 - 6 ref (unsold 1 hour)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13262878 - 5.88 (several added posts in a day)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13223231 - 5.88 (sold 1)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12581948 - 6 ref (sold some (7?))
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13304259 - 5.88 (sold 2)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13280399 - 6 ref (added for 8, didn't recieve add)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13312267 - 6 ref (unsold 11 hours)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13287083 - 5.88 (sold 2)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6962413 - 6 ref (changes prices, apparently sold 7 at 6 ref)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13319444 - 5.88 (sold all 4 in 4 hours)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13323670 - 6 ref (1 hour, not sold)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13297599 - 6 ref (1 day, offered 5.88)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13191080 - 6 ref (sold at least 2 of the keys on the trade)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13209215 - 5.88 (sold all)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13324624 - 5.88 (added post after 11 minutes)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13198886 - 5.88 (sold 2)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13258341 - 6 ref (not sold in 2 days)
5.88 looks fast enough to be in range. I couldn't find any bumped trades selling at 5.77, and 5.66 and under sells in lightning speed. 6 ref is not fast enough to be in range, tho.
I only needed to check ONE FUCKING LINK!
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13209215 - 5.88 (sold all)
Sold 5 keys in 4 days. One "added" post, 2 days ago. You are just proving Final's explanation, that it's not fast enough to be in the range. An even stronger downvote
Actually who bought the some of his keys called "#top Secret#" And you know why would he buy it?
No words. Just a link: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13285778
Also i dont understand people who sold 5 keys in 3-4 days and still bumping with no stock. What is it a showoff?
holy lol, all I knew was that most of them were bought by top secret
it's been 2 weeks now since last change
Again, that's not me.
Dont worry bro :c the price is rigth, but its hard to accept the truth -cleverpun whats your problem?-
Soapbox elsewhere, this isn't the place.
And where is that place? tell me.
http://forums.backpack.tf/
Proof is not strong enough. And I do not see buyers for 5.88.
Take a look at previous accepted key suggestions. Do any have any buyers paing the higher range? Of course not.
I'm more suggesting the fact that you do not have enough Buyers for 5.88. If I saw more, I would upvote. Besides, the amount of proof compared to amount of sales completed in, lets say, an hour, is quite incomparable. And one thing, I am not sure if it was you, but someone said that 5.66 appears to be a quicksell. I won't supply proof, but it is fairly easy to buy keys at 5.66, especially when you compare it to the amount of sales per minute.
And I just realized I completely ignored whatever you said. Here is my thing; I don't care about the previous suggestions. The proof here is not good enough. That is final.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13312572
5.33 refs there you go bro ^.^
Keys will crash, and it will be soon. With them currently selling at up to 6 refined,and almost $2.00, there isn't much room for them to continue growing.
True enough. These things won't most likely go past 6 (just my opinion), they may start crashing soon.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13266803 - buying @ 5.66 bought atleast one (claims 15)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13328353 - selling 1 @ 5.88 (unsold for 17 hours!)
buying @ 5.66 many "added" http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12886940
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13139336 buying @5.66 many "added"
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12831387 buying @5.66 at least one recent buy
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13182994 buying @ 5.66 recent buys
I don't think it's too necersary to raise just yet with it still being possible, and having unsolds at 5.88 after so long
Pyroman, kringle collection is one thing, but trying to touch the price of keys? (slow applause)
Just sold a single key at 5.88, took 23 hours.
Its possible to sell at 5.88 but definitely not fast enough.
Give it another 2 weeks
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13336408
You should really bump your trade more frequently, I saw it yesterday and it was somewhat unbumped. OP donators seem to be able to sell faster.
Trade.tf's price on keys has gone up, HA http://trade.tf/price/5021/6
They went up .01 scrap lol this current range is still more accurate
max price is still 5.77
and min is 5.67
(according to trade.tf)
I would like to interject here, now I understand the price of keys are going up, but this is a little much. I personally say the price should start dropping soon, mainly because from the last few polls i saw, the price of buds are dropping. Now I was around when keys were worth 2.33, and that was a while back. So here is what i must say, unfortunate down vote, mainly because I don't care what people are asking for keys, there are people who ask for 6-7 ref already and people buy them, hell i bought a few keys for 4 refined, (and this was just recent). so I do apologize but I must down vote this,
That means you don't even care about how a suggestion is made, also if buds are going down that means keys are going up, which is just completely contradicting yourself.
Not really, you see I know keys are going up, but i don't think they should be is the point I am making, My apologize if you don't agree, I was just making a point to say i think they shouldn't be up to almost 6.00.
5 bucks says this is going to get more downvotes than upvotes and still get accepted
seems good enough for me
Not enough proof to support high end.
I forgot to add "sold" there, anyway
http://backpack.tf/vote/id/51e7e87a4bd7b83511000004
http://backpack.tf/vote/id/51d5131eba2536775f000003
Look at how many solds they have. You have 19 links, which isn't even 1% of how many keys are bought/sold each day.
selling =/= sold
and the buyers are in current range now, so downvote
let me add some tags, 5.88 has some solds
they can say that they sold some keys, you dont have any prove of that. it's just for the buyers that it seems that some people already bought some, so that you have to do the same
Item histories tell otherwise, your point?
the price for the worst comment of this suggestion goes to you so far.
Seriously, check the proof before writing
nobody EVER buys for the higher range, do you know outpost?
Actually No quick buyers ever buy for higher range but some regular traders buy high price. Not always
that doesn't apply to currency, they NEVER pay full price for a key
This doesn't work with keys, they always get sold, people sell at 6 ref, so 5.88 ref is selling aswell, not saying thois is good, but you are wrong mate.
seems the 5.77 and even 5.66 ones are getting quite a lot of sellers. and that tells me 5.88 isnt really needed. since 5.66 and 5.77 isnt hard to come by
Oh no, it's happening.
http://weknowgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/its-happening-ron-paul-gif.gif
Ah this is known as markup, meaning nomatter the key price most sellers will be selling a scrap more than the price. So the price keeps getting raised to "keep up with key prices" but in reality it's new voters not understanding how the system works.
It's a loophole, outpost sells for more than backpack -> backpack updates -> outpost sells for more -> backpack updates, etc.
that is why backpack should disable key suggestions
"It's a loophole, outpost sells for more than backpack -> backpack updates -> outpost sells for more -> backpack updates, etc."
Do you even know what a 'loophole' is?
Oh well excuse me, I was in a rush to answer and didn't realise I used the wrong term. Let's just call it a loop then.
the correct term is "feedback"
Gotta agree with you. In reality it all depends on how much people are willing to pay for keys, not how much people are willing to sell them for.
Imagine what would happen if they decided to do a 50% off sale for keys in the store.
Not going to happen ever - unless valve decided to screw alot of people over
Here's why: Alot of the game sellers you see on TF2OP heavily rely on tf2 keys since they sell them to the market > buy discount games > sell them for keys.
If steam would put a discount on them everything would drop and I mean everything. Steam would do much worse game wise since people usually buy games because they are discounted (a good supply is from player to player). People would lose 10's of thousands - maybe even 100k's out of the market.
The day valve drops that on everyone is the day I jump ship and leave tf2.
The day keys go on sale tf2 trading crashes and everyone leaves back to the normal game, that's it
Again, gotta agree with you. But the moment the decision to make a sale would mean that valve gets more money in their pockets is the moment they will be a sale.
However, I think it is much more likely that the raise the price of keys.
5.88 you say? To my inventory history!
http://puu.sh/3RbTb.jpg. 3 different people just from this morning.
Frankly you'll need far more proof of 5.88 buyers/sellers just from how many a day are traded.
Good enough, thanks~
Do agree that there are way to many people selling at 6 ref+ (even 5.99... lol), claiming to have "sold" a large number of keys at this price. Keys for 5.66 and even 5.77 sell real fast. I am somewhat skeptical about 5.88 though. Not too many buyers above 5.77.
Just because they haven't gone up in a week doesn't mean you have to force them to.
Stable prices are good.
Can't deny on this statement, though.
I've seen few sellers at 5.66 Ref in Backpack.tf's Classified Listings, I even bought some my self.
http://i.imgur.com/GH3PcNR.png (5.66)
http://i.imgur.com/jyJwjhM.png (5.66)
http://i.imgur.com/WMWkFTN.png (5.55)
I still don't know what the point of that is, but still 5.66 could be considered a bit of a quicksell, yet keeping it seems to be better
I heard you liek textwalls
5.66 ref Sellers
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13268379 - Sold lots in under half an hour, only seller.
5.77 ref Sellers
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13145558 - Several sold, 4 bookmarks in 3 days
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13268992 - Out of stock in 8 minutes
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13266107 - Sold 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13238703 - Bought some
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10707606 - Bot, sold many.
5.88 ref Sellers
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11494453 - Bot, sold many
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13246773 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13075639 - Sold many
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13253711 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13266001 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13262282 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9388259 - Sold some, price changes frequently.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10806553 - Sold some
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13192269 - Sold 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13023324 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13263150 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13247899 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13225237 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13117194 - Sold one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13268060 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13164354 - Bot, sold some
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13081295 - Sold at least one for 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13018074 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12938027 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12499737 - Sold at least 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13209197 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13216787 - Sold 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12098055 - Sold many
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12169548 - Bot, sold some
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13266872 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12169548 - Bot, sold some
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13091427 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13238584 - Sold at least 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13266423 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13265351 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13247190 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13248146 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13238703 - Sold many, out of stock.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13200848 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13267262 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13223231 - Sold one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12881057 - Sold some
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13262878 - Sold at least one, added for 7?
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13160021 - Sold one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13257568 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13181799 - Sold 3
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13213922 - Bot, sold at least one (fake counter)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12844827 - Sold some
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12050155 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13211070 - Sold one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12881057 - Sold one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13023324 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12927538 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12972371 - Sold some at the current price
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13264451 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13200848 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12438427 - Sold a few, changes prices frequently
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12493596 - Sold at least one
6 ref Sellers
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13207996 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13193549 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13112005 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13264170 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13096001 - Sold one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13059127 - Sold one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13141396 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13258341 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13173287 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13112005 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13235419 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12974141 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13213184 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13215817 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13227123 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13254622 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12863032 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12699769 - Sold one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13249739 - Sold one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12727823 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13073561 - Sold at least one, bot
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13011565 - Added post, not sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12647792 - Bot, sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13265817 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13043876 - Sold some
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11619463 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13268064 - Sold one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12842410 - Sold 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12935040 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13254622 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13222811 - Sold one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13187244 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13268029 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13244068 - Sold some
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12059073 - Sold some
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13266110 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13179550 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13243175 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13268149 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13243522 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13162279 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13255423 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13169053 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13209341 - Sold at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13251869 - Sold none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10806553 - Sold at least one for 6 ref
5.66 ref Buyers
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10707606 - Bot, bought some
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13206620 - Bought some
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13126576 - Bought none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13117610 - Bought ~10 at current price
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13246773 - Bought 4
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12888352 - Bought many
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12293288 - Bought some
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13270675 - Very young, bought none
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12888352 - Bought at least 10
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10806553 - Bought at least 1 at current price
5.77 ref Buyers
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12647792 - Bot, bought some
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12438427 - Bought many
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13250720 - Bought at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13111548 - Bought at least one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10672176 - Bought some
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13243175 - Bought 3
5.88 ref Buyers
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13270749 - Only buyer, a minute old.
http://puu.sh/3ReE0.png - Classifieds at the time of posting
Yes, more proof.
Again, my apologies if any of those are repeated or are relists, that's the first 3 pages of bumped trades and the first page of buyers. 6 ref is clearly the most common asking price, but does not happen as frequently as 5.88
5.88 buyer is still buying, and it's 2 hours since then now
y u no post this in your first comment or as a reply to it?
because that was posted an hour after the comment was originally posted
I can't do anyhing about it, can I?
Maybe say in BIG LETTERS that more proof is somewhere below.
Too bad backpack.tf doesn't support font and font size bbcode
whatever it's there
Some of those 5.88 sellers have yet to actually sell. and the ones that have have only sold a couple during a few days. This suggestion seems forced, rather than a necessary one.
You should have added this to your first post with the proof.
I like how most of those little kids dislike the extra proof and my justified advice.
Back in halloween for some reason keys started becoming very popular as there was more incentive to open crates, so people selling at outpost ran out of stock, and those who bought and had spares decided to sell keys at higher prices. People from backpack.tf saw this and suggested higher prices for keys based on what was happening at outpost, people at outpost saw this and resellrs bought the keys, then resold them at even higher prices, backpack.tf changed prices, outpost rose and then it's a rinse and repeat process.
oh well i thought this post actually got deleted so i could post my other url xD sorry
Im just going to leave this here....[url]http://puu.sh/2emnb[/url]
Then this seems very explained [url]http://puu.sh/3j9wa.png[/url]
O hey
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13273944
Was able to buy 2 in less than half an hour at 5.77 ref.
Just like all buyers at 5.77
They're the ones who pay the most, so they are the ones who buy the most keys quickly.
"The amount of people selling at 6 (or "5.99") is OUTRAGEOUS, I mean, seriously, that's like 60% of all.
Yet they don't sell anything."
OH RLY?
http://imgur.com/shDVX2z
lol I wanted to edit that, then it was after an hour had passed.
For some odd reason outpost only showed up a page of sellers in the morning, and then when I searched for more later, I found out the others actually sold theirs, I even found your trade, it should be between that bunch of links up there
Yes, I actually put it up largely to satisfy my curiosity, to see if people would actually buy for such an absurd price. The answer is yes, sadly.
Suggesting 5.66-6 does not seem a good idea anyway, that's a very large gap for a key (yes I know about the 4.66-5 range some time ago) but there's quite some proof that supports it. 5.88 seems to be more preferable for now, tho
Sales aren't what I would call "reliable." I've sold three and had a fourth add me to offer 6 genuine hats, but I didn't have the patience to resell so I told him to come back with pure. 6 shouldn't be fully in the range YET but it is possible.
Of course outpost prices are not going to go down. You know why? Because everyone there selling keys wants to make a profit off of them and if I even try to sell a key at 5.33 ref then it's quite below market value. Key prices are driving down metal and everything is connected, essentially kids who buy their way into trading are weighing everything down, not by just their size but by how much they want to charge people who can't afford keys.
A key is worth 2 dollars, not 100 weapons. A person can get a maximum of 11 drops per week so you're saying that your 2 dollars is essentially worth 10 of my weeks. I have news for you - I'm not buying keys at this price and neither is allot of people I know. Is that enough proof?
Drops are capped by play time, not amount of drops, get your facts straight. 11 is just thought to be the average of drops per week.
And if that "a lot of people" is not most of the market, I believe not. The only way keys will go down is by making everyone, or at least most of the traders, stop trying to profit out of these things.
I don't want to spend that much on keys either, but what's the point of trying to achieve something when it's clearly impossible?
I said I don't want to pay that much for keys. I don't care about that at all.
Anyway, now I just dedicate to make price suggestions and spend the day being at tf2r, now that my bp is poor as hell.
Then again, how would it be possible to make an accurate suggestion on bp.tf to make keys go down when the market trends show the complete opposite?
That'd be pointless. Just like making this flame war go on.
Let's just stop it here, shall we?
Okay, that was not my point. My point is it isn't your moral obligation to suggest keys to go up.
And yes, I'm tired of arguing.
Y'know, even though they may have abolished idling, that by no means stopped the idlers from making alts and playing normally. Sure, it's time consuming, but it also means much more drops. Honestly, i think that idling will still be a problem, and that our current voting system is flawed mainly because "profit" is involved. Personally, I'd like to discuss a way to fix the system.
I liked this for the music.
Have you actually seen the rate keys are going up at? I can't see them being more than 6.33 ref tops by the end of the month.
I did not check, no. My point is that key prices are just going to keep on going up and up.
Maybe by next September, yes, but I can't blame you from overlooking things like that.
Actually, it's been two weeks since the last passed suggestion was made, the longest time between suggestions since keys were 2.66.
There's ~70 links supporting the high end, but I'm sure Hatch used way more than that. If that doesn't please others then I guess I have to find many more.
Wait a second... I forgot that big block of links that you posted within the discussion. Sorry, man. :/
I guess this is good enough for me, then.
Nice proof, upvote.
How about we reflect what the market says and not try to manipulate the price of keys for our own benefit? There's a novel idea.
"not try to manipulate the price of keys for our own benefit"
Oh, the irony...
Explain to me how a suggestion with proof is "ironic" to manipulating the price.
^^ I second that
Wow, all the keys at scrap.tf and scrapbank.me are sold out...
Hate to say it..but I am leaning towards a upvote
Good proof. upvoted
the prices just keep going up slowly .. and slowly.. why not just make it to 10ref straight rather then making it go up scrap by scrap. its better buying keys from steam market. >:(
Well, if it goes to 10 refined, straight away, then the price of refined would have to go down a TON(yes, 100% decrease is a lot) or price of keys would be worth $4 on paypal, which would make no sense at all.
Here we go again -_-
they need to stay away from 6 ref imo but i've seen people beg for them at 5.77
I have sold over 50 in the past week, I got a few commments on my trade take a look: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9618121 My price is 6 Refined. I'm a highballer and I love it.! I used to care for this economy but everyones is ruining this economy with these suggestions, And admins does not care about it, They should block suggestions for keys...
I'm not sure if I should agree with you or not~
Could you be more hypocritical if you tried?
That awkward moment when keys have doubled in a year.
R.I.P TF2 Ecconomy
Literally nothing about that moment is awkward.
That awkward moment when key prices didn't change in over a year even though the economy changed drastically.
i.e. the increase was inevitable, it just needed a catalyst to get it going.
Provide helpful feedback instead of being pointlessly hostile.
well, the top response already has the evidence I would use so I don't really see any point in putting it in mine.
more proof of sellers(with buyers on the trade): 5.88 < EDIT
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13262878 -few buyers
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11087877 -2 more recent buyers
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12786593 -great deal of 10 ref each.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12942556 -10 more recent adds/sales
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13225237 -1 guy? 1 key?
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9388259 -6 more recent adds/sales
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12451134 -2 stated buys. others might have sold or bought. no way to tell with just "added".
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12965859 -1 person
This is just a chip of the 3rd page out of 19+. finding sellers at 5.88 is hard since so many people already want 6 ref. i usually hat commenting on these things but after reading so much bullshit i just decided to get some proof. honestly i dont enjoy playing this game as much as i do trading so i spend alot of time in trade servers. and in those trade servers it is not easy finding keys for 5.66 or even 5.77. now im not loving these price changes but you learn to deal. eventually they'll go back down or the the whole trading keys will just crash and burn. but not yet. keys are still fighting strong at an upwards grip and should untill people realize that they shouldnt/cant buy keys any higher. yes i know some opinions are like buttholes and mine might stink but you dont have to smell it. i wont respond sadly because i have better things to do than argue about prices on things i rarely touch but i will say you have to stop being so violent its a damn price suggestion.
I agree with your comment, but just wanted to add, really what needs to happen is that if people don't like the price, they need to stop buying at those prices. This is basic economics. I personally ONLY buy a key if I can profit off of it in one way or another, generally to use as currency to buy the things I want.
So if you're one of those people that is all "ERMAGHERD KEYS R LIEK SO MUCH STAHP RAISING DEMMM!!!!ONE!!11!!" Then simply Don't buy keys, and do not ever sell them for less than the highest market value. That way key sellers and bot owners will realize "Oh hey, I am not moving stock and this price, I need to lower it to make sales. I'm not getting stock in because people aren't quickselling to my bot."
But, as long as people quicksell, use bots, and continue to pay these prices, it will continue to go up.
Why do prices increase? Buyers. So you are saying that its impossible to buy for 5.77. Sellers sure as hell would drop their prices to it if no one bought from them for 1 week. or so. Keys arent increasing itself. Buyers are doing it.
^
That's the thing. The price depends on what people are willing to pay.
Not saying its impossible. he still has this in his range. he is simply updating the high end. which is needed.
I stopped playing TF2 for study when keys were still 2.66, and I had in my backpack over 60 refined which equals to around 22-24 keys, stupid me that i didn't convert my metal into keys. >.>
On topic now, I absolutely don't agree with this new price range, the actual range of 5.66-5.77 is absolutely fine, people always want to make profit out of everything and we know it. But... keys are being bought/sold for the actual range, why increase it? Also, if there are VERY FEW buyers at 5.88, doesn't mean keys have to be increased, think about people who do not have time to search sellers for 5.66, they buy at a higher price for not waste their time, this doesn't mean the price of the keys have to be increased, also think about people who are in need of 2-3 keys fast for buy something and they are too lazy for search the actual price on outpost becouse of all the highballers.
Sorry for my english.
You don't need to say sorry for your English. Up until the last part I didn't know you weren't a native speaker.
I've got to say most key suggestions passed without ANY buyer at a higher range, and only sellers. People selling at 5.88 or even 6 show that it's possible for them to do that, and 5.66 ad 5.77 sellers on the market ran out of stock very, very quickly, that's why people don't bother looking for them.
LOL talk: 108 nice. My opinion:
Always keys are good investment, WHY? BCS it`s easy to sell scrap-rec more than price.
People who have a lot of $ or metal etc. and want to open crates don`t care about pay 0.11 more for a key bcs they do not want to loss time and they can pay more.
But "normal" players don`t want to pay more and they can wait and buy for normal price.
Also sellers key can find buyers for +0.11. But ALWAYS i can or i could sell keys for 0.11 more, ALWAYS.
summarizing
If keys were for 3.33 i saw a lot of adds for 3.44-3.77, if keys were 5 ref a lot of add and sold too for 5.11-5.33. And now is this same situation, if WE will accept all that votes KEYS WILL BE FOR 10 ref in a few months...
Is down vote, but it`s my opinion don`t dislike me bcs i didn't add links with proof.
Sry for my English.
Keys should be one number. Not #-#.
Like right now;
5.66 is too low and 5.77 is too high.
It should be one or the other.
Guys, we have a piece of chokolate in our peanut butter.
Guys, I translated that just for you:
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-desconectado, best quotes of 2013
most random comet ever by that guy:)
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uhm, seriously?
I never thought people like that would be at backpack.tf
lol people dislike this when I'm just doing a better translation of what's posted right above and has 12 likes
for the record, I'm a native spanish speaker and I seriously hate people who use emoticons and slang such as "k"
I think "k" here means "que" :P
As in "what" or "that"
if there is no suggestion in the next few days key price is gonna start to fall
is that a bad thing?
did I say that?
*Searches for locial reasoning*
What I mean is that if people are unable to find other peeps that is selling/buying for 5.88, it means (prob) the price is going to fall
no, key prices have just settled temporarily because some people think instantly metal is more valuable with idling being destroyed.
^^
pour economi evereything is going down except for keys some day the key will replace the euro
Even the Euro is dropping, all hail keys
Good proof.
Key suggestions are always so crowded, I guess the community really cares :)
Almost nothing proves the higher end, downvote.
Did you even look at that damn long wall of proof up there? people sell for 5.88
http://i.imgur.com/cKztQOn.png 5.77 + 1 wep ~ 5,82
http://i.imgur.com/2eJWy86.png 2 keys for 11,88 ref
http://i.imgur.com/ar3luWV.png 5 keys for 30 ref and i gave 0,55 change.
So yea, upvote. :)
Upvote I turned 30 refined into keys at the rate of 5.88
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12970020 <--- I was buying for 5.66 ea, got 5-10 adds per day (Although the trade is slightly old), easy to find people on trade servers or put up a trade buying for 5.77 to find buyers, no reason to buy any higher, downvote from me
Your trade is 1 week+++ old.
My trade is a week old, and I closed it 3 days ago due to a lack of metal :I (I even said it's slightly old)
It's actually really easy to buy for 5.66 and sell for 5.77 in an hour, I've bought about 5-10 keys at 5.66 so downvote from me.
1. 5.66 Ref is still in the range.
2. Proof?
I'm sorry, but MOST (not all, even those who sold some keys didn't sold plenty though) of your links of sellers at 5.88 sold none, or less then 3.
I do not see as a strong recommendation, due to the current range is 66% of the suggested new range. There is no reason for the range to change.
The new range is there so that people would know that keys now can sell for 5.88
What you trying to proof with "now can sell at 5.88" they CAN sell at 5.88 now.
If they can't sell at 5.88 then what are you trying to prove with this suggestion.
I'm stating that because nobody here seems to know what the point of the suggestion is.
Why do people still believe it was the introduction of F2Ps, Upgrade to Premium and idling the reasons keys are going up? Those may have been some factors that made the metal go down in value, but that had very little effect on keys for some time. There's some blog article on tf2finance.com that explains well why the keys were fluctuating all this time.
idling was a reason because of the sheer abundance of metal. there is more then 1 million pieces of refined out there, and because of that, keys aren't just 2 refined anymore.
You need more proof for change the Price of a key,but 5.66 and 5.77 its now a quick sell Price but you need more sold/buyed
*bought, and isn't around 50 links enough for a currency change? I could get more, but outpost is full of relisters and donators who use autobump making searching for links hard
Bought some @ 5.55
http://i.imgur.com/Kc8VR8D.png
http://i.imgur.com/sk64SOy.png
http://i.imgur.com/CkFbVJ0.png
That's quickbuying, and it's not even in the damn range lol
He can find "many" other buyers @ 5.77. Proof ^
http://i.imgur.com/ZBz74y1.png
So many "quickbuyers".
I've seen so many people trying to sell keys for 5.88 or 6 ref....and failed. So many are still up, but I know better than to buy it at that range. Those who bought keys for that price range are too desperate for a key lol. Downvote for me.
The only reason they buy for that price s because there's absolutely no willing sellers for lower at outpost (other than the ones selling to quickbuyers)
Not exactly true but OK....
I don't even have keys lol, do you believe people use backpack.tf to manipulate the market? of course not! (well at least not me or most of the people I've seen) There's no way we could make the keys go down, at least for now, hell all I wanted to do was to update the price of keys, 5.66 seems to be a quicksell, and people are now willing to pay more for them
Can i ask a question? why do key tend to rise more instead of dropping i never figured it out.
Since bp.tf is based off of user suggestions (mainly outpost), they go up. Everyone looks for profit in tf2. They buy within the range (because the range is often behind) and sell above the range, providing proof for suggesters of bp.tf to raise the price, but not to drop.
Backpack - suggest 5.66
Outpost - sells for 5.77
Backpack sees Outpost for 5.77 and suggest for 5.77
Outpost - sells for 5.88
Repeat...
I would like to add to this, that upon searching fora key at 5.77, the trade I had attempted to buy from at 5.77 had ended in 4 seconds flat.
I would like to see a 5.66. Would be gone in the microseconds after posting.
http://tf2finance.com/2013_03/
well idle has been practically forbidden since using external applications to idle in the new dropping system is a bannable offense and this has echoed in outpost, no more guys with 500 refined solding out every outpost key ad at any whacky Price, the only thing that I'm really concerned is if this suggestion will get accepted with all that pseudo-proof of "selling for 5.88refs" and the lack of buyers for 5.88refs
lol no with metal would sell keys, they would want to buy keys lol. If you would check all those 5.88 links, atleast 95% of them have been sold already. I wonder if the psedo is proof or someone?
yeah 5.88 refs sold like this one http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13266001
if you check the key item history he ended up selling his key to a Bot for 5.77, he was unsuccesful for 5.88 refs that's why he sold the key to the bot. Show me a single link of 5.88refs with the word "Added" at least in the last 3 days, you won't find anyone because all of those links change their prices frecuentely so the "Added" of a week ago was probably for other price
several of the people selling have recent adds, what do you mean?
btw, filtering through links in op for a currency used so commonly is not easy, there may be some flaws so excuse me.
"several of the people selling have recent adds" can you point the exact links? Sorry but I can find them between all that bunch of useless links
the latest bunch of links, I can't seriously do it now because I'm working on lots of unusuals at the same time, probably in about an hour I'll be done
well sir not need to be rude, I always write in a polite way my observations. I don't understand why when somebody lacks of arguments they start with the aggresions? enjoy your free day
Although Idle has been eliminated, that still doesn't stop the people with more than one account using the next account to gain more drops after their 10-hours-a-week is up. Not to mention those that use their siblings' gaming habits to feed their trading habits...
5.66-5.77 is fine
Didn't you see all that wall of proof screaming that 5.88 is possible and should be in the range now?
Nice proofs, upvoted.
2 weeks now
Already pointed out yesterday noon, still worth pointing out anyway.
Sorry to tell you that your proof of 5.88refs is totally a mess, it's so ambigous is full of "Key-->Single Refined" like this ones (Links from you 5.88 proof)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13075639
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12972371
Note that both the last "Added" message was a week ago, also maybe those adds where for a lower Price and then they modified the description to 5.88, that may expalin the lack of recent adds.
Sorry but where's the Wall of 5.88refs proof? I just see a bunch of recent unsolds and ads that keep changing their prices. You are just relying in having the luck that an admin is in good mod or those admin's "happy hour" where they accept all kind of suggestion, to get this accepted
nope.avi
Maybe if you looked at the younger trades' solds you'd understand. Those that are old enough to seem like that are conveniently descrpited (e.g.http://puu.sh/3ShBd.png ). Maybe that's not all accurate, but if there's something for sure is that 5.88 IS possible (and nobody here seems to understand that) and that there are buyers who are willing to pay that much.
well that's what I'm refferring as "totally a mess" first of all discard the bots, the "Sold none" and the not bumped ones, that's like 80% of your "Undeniable Wall of Prooof"
6 ref sellers don't matter, ignore them. I'm talking about 5.88 ones, which actually get to sell something. I can't edit it anymore though, it's been more than an hour since I posted it.
You don't want to manipulate the market don't you? Look at your own suggestions http://backpack.tf/u/76561198070917292
btw, this confirms my eariler comment that people vote on key suggestions solely based on their opinions and not on the proof provided
y do keys hafff to change?
http://i.imgur.com/tJAiouE.png
during the time between the last suggestion and this one i sold 3 for 5 ref each.
That's your fault, not ours.
A single trade does not represent the entirety of the market anyway.
i'm just giving my counter proof, i never said it was anyone's fault nor did i say that my trade proved their's wrong.
And how does that counter my suggestion?
It's neither in the current range nor it's enuogh proof to make the price not go up. It was your decision to sell keys for that low, allowing the buyer to make a decent profit.
i understand its a grain of sand in an endless ocean, but i'm not here to disprove your suggestion, i gave all of the ref-key trades i've made between the last suggestion and this one, it's proof of my trades that happened to go against your suggestion, if i had bought keys at 5.88 then i would have posted them there with them. so could you please calm down.
I'm not even mad. What I mean is that your sales prove nothing (at least related to the suggestion)
gotta downvote this i don't agree with the 5.88 i only see bots selling at this price. since admins will pass this regardless for their stupid profit i guess ill lose some rep but i have hope ,i may have some keys but i don't agree with 5.88, prices will continue to rise till they're 10 ref a key downvote.
*sigh* you don't see the goddamn wall of proof don't you? bot's aren't the only ones that get to sell for 5.88, there's many people that are able to sell many keys at this price in a day. Voting is all up to you, however.
That wall of proof you put sold at least one per post. while i can buy 7 keys in a half hour of posting buying keys for 5.66. They all mostly only sold 1 key not multiple, not bulks. The people that buy for 5.88 are probably quickbuyers or people who fear prices of keys will rise again due to greed.
Then that group of people is clearly a majority, and 5.66 is still in the range for a reason
The thing that's making everyone buy keys is future speculation, everyday more and more people buy keys because of chances that in the future keys will rise to even more, making them a viable way to profit.
I think it may get past. the last key suggestion took longer.
Now looking at it, everyone may disagree, but has someone (other than final) actually provided valid counterproof?
You will never get good counter proof. A key suggestion always have been criticized with useless bickering, nothing else.
And I just realise everyone commenting here is either getting blindly liked/disliked or simply butthurt.
Welcome to backpack.tf !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Welcome to key-suggestions*
um, stop what
And this is why I am never going to suggest a new price for things used as currency.
Going to have to downvote. The market doesn't flow with quicksells.
How so? Proof that it would be a better range than the current range or better than 5.66-5.88 ref?
Or are you just saying that to just say it?
Here's my trade where I sold 2 for 5.88: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13288304
Is it me or is bp.tf's comments only butthurt everywhere?
Anyway: Nice proof, upvoted.
sold 11 keys at 5.88, sell nothing at 6ref,i dont keep much stock.guess that is a success. it's something
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13060015
this, i feel, is the first key suggestion of keys going up that won't be accepted.
Na there had been many in the past too, which were not accepted.
http://backpack.tf/vote/id/51dc56f3ba25362e2b00000a
a week ago I sold a key for 6 ref in less than 2 hours. I will not vote on this price suggestion, I have no idea what to vote for
I'm going to be honest, me neither. I'm actually voting neutral on my own suggestion.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11238190
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13084897
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12396340
This made me cry a bit...
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10287610
I went on to just bookmark this XD Amazingly sold one key....
These prices are going haywire..
I didn't even expect the last one to sell any, and I had come across that many times before
It's gonna crash sooner or later.
Not now tho, counter-idling, unlike what many people thought, will not stop the inflation.
Valve didn't invent the TF2 economy, that's why they don't care. The game was supposed to be played, not to be a "war-themed hat simulator". Also, your long 274-word essay has already been said shortened up there^^.
Not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me.
We both agree that valve doesn't care.
And so what if the game was meant to be played?
It's not meant that way anymore.
And the essay was nothing.. I typed that in like 10 minutes max..
I'm stating that because Valve has no impact on the market (other than releasing new items or stuff like the resent polycount nerf or sales). They made the game without any idea of an economy behind. They can't really do anything about it now, other than making keys go on sale which will most likely affect thousands of traders.
Let's use some examples of the ratio of accpeting and declining to show how the % is lower and higher
TRYING TO RAISE AND ACCEPTED -
http://backpack.tf/vote/id/50cbc90aba2536e27c000017 31.07%, What the hell? Even look at the proof and the negative feedback from the community!
TRYING TO LOWER BUT DECLINED -
http://backpack.tf/vote/id/517b0d9a4bd7b86d5900000d 72.91%, rejected, look at how there is more proof in this suggestion than the other example.
Take a look at the feedback too, does it seem to have a difference?
Let a moderator warn me about this, does it look like I care?
People always simply scream and dislike when someone attempts to increase the keys' value (or mess with currency for that matter). All I'm doing here is updating the site's prices so that they'd reflect the current economy.
You know what? If this gets accepted, then I'm going to do a counter proof when the time comes.
And when it comes, let's take a look at the feedback.
#bradgimmemorecommentspace
The few times someone was brave enough to try to lower the price of keys, they've been cheered and acclaimed by the community, yet it has only happened once so far (afaik):
http://backpack.tf/vote/id/517c7db74bd7b8cd31000007
backpack.tf is meant to be accurate. No matter what percentage of the community is against it.
(inb4 cleverpun warn)
Voting does not influence wheter a suggestion is accepted or not, all voting is for is to see how accurate someone is when it comes to pricing items.
I agree.
Now lets see how the admins think about before accepting/declining this.
Exactly. Valve doesn't care about the key inflation because they make money off of it.
If they really did care about balancing the economy, they would put a sale on keys for $1. But then they wouldn't make as much at all.
So why should they do that??
Take it to the forums
Ok, :( I'm sorry Based Cleverpun.
Talk 300...NEW RECORD
YUS.
This is already the 3rd most voted suggestion in history, soon it could be the second, maybe even the most?
Just out of curiosity, which was the 2nd and most?
http://backpack.tf/vote.php?unaffordables=1&all=1 left column
UPDATE
This is now officially the second most voted suggestion on backpack.tf ever.
Now the most :o
:O
I've got a feeling that what you did was a BAD idea (unless you simply don't care about it at all)
I'd just wait until we're both down to hell.
Anyway, I've been waiting for some counterproof all these days.
Yeah I guess I went overboard. Like I was playing Russian roulette or something. It's just all your comments were immediately shot down because of the dislikes and I find it unfair when people are like that. A random dislike on a comment is like saying "I don't care what your opinion is, mine is the only one that matters no matter how convincing it is or what it says." I hate it when people do that. I shamely admit I had a beer or 2.... Hey if this gets randomly disliked too, I.will.eat.all.of.your.sandviches. Oh whatever, if this gets approved the only thing that will change is that keys will have 5.77 as the new average. Then people will desperately sell keys for 6 Ref, then we all know what happens after.
"Good morning everyone, hope everyone is having fun."
Bought 12 keys from about 6 diffrent people in a day for 5.66.
WHY THE HELL PEOPLE CAN'T SEE THE GODDAMN 5.66 STILL IN THE RANGE?Alright, 5.66 still in the range because buyers are still able to get at that, yet sellers who post get rid of theirs very quickly
Well in my honest opinion I really don't think the price should go up. Yes Pyroman has obvious proof for sales for keys but consider this. The site is based off votes people give on pricing which Valve literally gave us in the Mannconomy Update. Most of the votes for keys increasing in price are usually negative. But why do they still go up? Admins of course (Mostly in the early stages of key prices around 2012) . And what happens when the prices change? People A. Change their trade to that pricing. B. Increase the price to something even higher to try and make new suggestions be the price their selling for. Take this album of picture in mind. http://imgur.com/a/t71sl ( I mostly looked at the key suggestions) When key suggestion were to boost the price a scrap it was accepted while ones were to make it cheaper were declined. Now I have one simple question, Why should we trust a site that admins technically choose the prices? I don't know if it's for personal gain or not also I don't know if anyone else posted something relative to what I'm saying. The reason I post this is just to let my voice be heard on the matter so thanks if you read this. In no way am I saying your suggestion is terrible our good Pyroman, but it's quite accurate.
You sire, are a legend.
Because all the proof used to makes keys decline were based on quick sells (Keys that were being sold for the low end and were picked clean in seconds.)
Try selling a key for 5.66 ref or less (hell even 5.77 ref) and see how many adds you get in a few seconds.
Also http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13322382 that right there sir is 10/10 advertisement right there, would vote again.
admins have also accepted suggestions that where droping the key prices!
blaming them for the community habits to rise currency is tottaly BS.
keys have start to stabilise cause of the counter idle messure valve introduced last week ...
already start to utilise in market and hopefully keys have come to a peak point.
i can only see them drop from now on.
(i was selling keys for 5.88 ref for a week
no sells no comments not even 1 lowballer in my trade)
it is a HUGE downvote!!
also i have quote in the past that valve is dying to add ref in the community market!
as their major income is from microtransactions.
they couldn`t do it because of the idle threat.
The idle threat update is pointing the way to go!
valve wants the ref to be stabilized and they will put it up on market for sure!
the profit for them it will going to be huge!
ref is the most tf2 tradable item either it cost 10 cents or 50 cents
They desperately want it in the microtransaction market but without the threat of the ref idlers.
2-3 ref per key is a good price i am guessing it will be set back to that until halloween hopefully.
dont forget about yiannis varoufakis and his economic analusis about mannconomy and equilibrium.
The reason you could not sell keys for 5.88 ref was because you were selling for 6 ref http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13165552 also, I may be wrong, but a few of them have different owners, which means you used them to buy things or you actually sold at that price
i do rise it up but only when i had 1-2 keys left the rest keys where sold for miscs and hats at 5.88 ref i was desperate to utilize the highest key prices of all time.
i know that i wont get a chance to sell keys that high ever again!
(i just change my notes the last day hoping that there would be buyers for 6 ref after a week at 5.66 ref it only makes sence!
after all i had no problems selling keys for 6 ref before the valves update.)
ref farmers are waiting for key prices to drop they will use their last stocks of ref to buy keys when keys drop back to 3-4 ref they where supporting the key fiasco because they had no reassons not to ref for them was like ''free hour''
since the free party time is over they are keeping the stock of ref they own until keys drop back down so they can purchase the double quantitys''
i was farming ref for all this years and i know what i am talking about!
farming ref is not against valve policys by the way...or it wasnt(anyhow i cant farm it any longer :( )
to be honest i preffer to hoard ref than keys now makes more sence to me.
Wants keys to lower, sells keys for high prices. Yeah, you really are a saint
i never said i want keys to lower !! i be damn if i said that. i want keys at 10 ref if possible!
valve wants the keys to be lower refwise not me..i am a profit trader why should i want keys to drop? just to buy a few hundred?
i have more to lose if keys drop..
my bp (and yours as everyones)will drop in value when keys start to drop..
it is only maths.
I did not check anyone else's backpack but the value of your backpack will definitely drop if the key rises not drops, you apparently wrote the wrong way. 80% of your backpack will loose it's value if keys rose in metal, and your unusual will lose in value as the buds drop.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13020117 24th july before the idle update sold 4 keys for 6 pure ref in 10 seconds or something! after the idle update keys start to drop!
market and traders slow reaction keep keys steady at 5.66 ref the price will drop eventually as ref farmers will hoard their ref and wait till the time is right to buy the keys they can for the ref they farmed for the last time
Yeah. they did. Once.
Not quite enough sold @ 5.88 to add it to range.
Downvote from me.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13351732
Still unsold, just sayin' :)
Well, It's gonna be sold.
Cool! Downvote me because I post a link! Awesome community :3
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13351906
6 Ref here
Personally, I have been unable to sell many at all at 5.88, and im a blue donor on outpost, downvoted, and I own 30 keys...
Which makes sense. Who the h311 wants their main currency to be sold at 5.88? Like 'Fnal2500' said,people need it, and people need it fast for painted team captains and stuff.
<has keys
<wants them to drop
have you tried selling them for 5.77 ref?
How the hell could this get 3000+ votes? I didn't think of that when I submitted the suggestion.
So this is now the most voted and commented suggestion on backpack.tf ever...
lol at people (again) downboating this
this may not get passed but it doesn't really matter to me, I don't even feel the BURN
Wherever this is going, I aggree with 'Final2500' because he not only proves his point with sold and/or lower prices on the right track, but I think that most of 'Pyroman's suggestions are mostly unsold and have stayed that way for days or even weeks.
I have never seen such a long 'forum post' on any of these tf2-price selling/ reccomending sites; nor have I seen such brilliant comebacks to the original post owner him/herself.
In conclusion, I must agree with 'Felix2500'. Quite obviously, it would be tedious to like every single post HE made, so I make this one myself.
*FInal2500, not Felix, and liking wouldn't be just easier than typing a long message?
Actually, people do manage to sell keys for said higher price in a short period of time. It's just that people are looking at the few links that could be used as potential counterproof.
If your'e going to raise the price by an average of half a scrap, or course people are going to make a big whoop about it. It's the main currency! If you raise it by that much, practically everyone will make the highest possible without it being 'unreasonable'. At lest I put time and effort into my own opinion, instead of just playing the 'safe side'. Had I not also metioned, 'I have never seen such a long 'forum post''. If I want to say something, I have a reason, right? It's probably good to AT LEAST SOME folks out there, right? So I would explain my reason, instead of 'scavenging' for the many sold keys for a different kind of 'proof'. plus, you can't even get the majority of your way of proving things 'sold'.
Also, that's just straight up cheap that you just dislike everyone who's on the other side while you like the 2 people that are on your side. Two can play that way. You just can't counter our reasoning and proof while everyone downvotes your post. My first post was polite, grammatical, spelled correctly, and resonable. I have tried to keep it that way, and the next ones will not be that way.
I haven't disliked that, http://puu.sh/3TwPu.png
lel at people disliking all of my comments, even those that don't make sense disliking at all
Anyway, if you insist on countering your reasoning.
Sellers do not necessarily have just sold to those 5 that said "added" in their comments, i.e. when buying an item (personally) I never post "added", it's just pointless. Also, the point of the suggestion is to say that 5.88 is possible, not that it sells in lightning speed. It is fast enuogh to be considered, and no, not like Final says, they don't sell 5-6 a week, they sell for way more than that.
Don't know how did you even come up with Felix, but thanks.
I'm going to say no to this Price Suggestion just beacuse that idling is now banned and eventually Ref will rise beacuse of that so it may affect the prise of keys. And in my opinion TF2Outpost isn't a good example just beacuse the amount of low/high ballers out there.
I've said it up there, idling being banned hasn't had any important effect yet, and most of the proof used in this site comes from outpost, what's your point?
Just a little note again it's just my opinion and yes idling being banned hasn't made any effect on Ref yet just as I said before and my point is that people buy low and sell high on TF2Outpost.
that's not news
if it weren't for that keys wouldn't have risen in the first place, lol
I know what you mean but it would have been nice if you have posted links from TF2Bazaar too and i'm going to end this discussion here beacuse I really didn't come here to discuss anything I came here to post my opinion that's all.
dude stop going overboard, you can get warned for each of these comments.
I'm not going overboard, I'm just showing all the people how they are acting. That's just fair since we must to all their irrelevant and unproven "arguments".
This doesn't mean a shit as long as nobody buys the items.
Those 1.5 millionen pieces of Ref, which exist right now, won't disappear due to this patch. They are still there, the amount will continue to rise. The price won't fall; UNLESS those mad people stop buying for higher prices.
Exactly,
also about stats on pieces of ref and keys.
Currently there's 2160182.44 in public backpacks (incluiding F2P's and scrap/rec), and 575060 keys.
if we wanted a value of keys equal to the current existing metal, that'd be ~3.77
Ever heard about supply and demand? Cause this runs the market, not how much of something exists.
Yes, that's what rules over the market.
What I stated is sipmly that if demand and supply were equal that'd be the ideal price.
Of course it would be nice, but that's not how the market works. I mean if go like this, gasolin would cost about 10 cents per liter..
Exactly.
Well for 5 day i bought 3 Keys for 5.66
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13205324
And I bought also 2 from this guy
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13250557
You people are blind aren't you? 5.66 is in the goddamn range.
1.There's tons of buyers at that because it's easily profitable
2. That was most likely closed in less than 10 minutes after being posted.
I have been watching this scince it started just watching 1 comment and there does seem to be a TON of people who aren't noticing that 5.66 is in the range.
You re breaking records - 400 comments, score 60 at counterproof , but I d rather keep those 2 weeks without price bump last even longer. Downvote
The price won't stop rising just because we aren't reporting an accurate price here.
although sometimes it just seems like the price goes up/down because of bp.tf
just sayin'
It's not bp.tf's fault that there are little kids who are still willing to pay more for keys. The don't need to buy keys for 6 Ref etc, but they do it. And afterwards they whine about a more accurate price.
Your sentence is wrong.
Why do you want to make the price more accurate?*
394 people talking about a single price change.
That's an academy record!
^^that's right
This has to have a top, right? You can see that this can't cost more than ~7.55 ref at 0.33$ each (Well, it's a lot of metal anyway so, this can take time lol).
After idling has slightly ceased I doubt metal would go any lower (although it won't go any higher either soon), it's most likely that keys won't go any higher than $2.49 in value (7.22, ref being at $0.34)
But keys haven't reached the top yet.
Keys are still not hard to get for 5.66 and I haven't seen many go for 5.88. You are false when you say "There's currently none selling for 5.66 (at the time of posting)" I will downvote until there are a significant amount of buyers at 5.88.
for the last goddamn time 5.66 IS IN THE GODDAMN RANGE. There were actually absolutely NO people selling for that when I posted, and even if there were they are gone in seconds. The market is flooded with sellers at 5.88/6, and an occasional 5.77 that usually just sells as quick as 5.66. 5.88 is already proven to be quick enough, as the more time passes the more people pay for keys.
You've completely missed my point. Also, no need to get aggressive, lets just be mature. My point was that, yes, 5.88 and even 6 ref per key is possible, but very, very few buy for that price. Maybe try backing up your proof of the supposed many buyers at 5.88 before adding it to the price range. That's the whole point of these suggestions.
I'm just starting to lose it after so many people say "but 5.66 ez stull possibiru" not seeing it's in the damn range. And if you mean buyers, there's actually no one with a post saying "buying keys for 5.88", none of the passed key suggestions even have one of those. The only buyers are those that buy from the sellers.
Yes I understand that. I just don't see any reason that 5.88 should be in the range, according to the proof that you have (or haven't) provided and from what the other community members have been saying. I'm sure you have proof somewhere but it would need to be in the proof section as we are voting based off of your suggestion and your proof. For the time being, my decision stays the same. If you provide some solid evidence, I will reconsider.
Then I'll have to add to those 3 chunks of proof up there.
I guess I'll have to do that.
As an added note, tf2finance seems to have key prices actually prices closer to 5.77 than 5.88. It might just be me, but it seems kind of misleading to say they have it priced at 5.8 because that can be interpreted as 5.88. I'm not saying anything bad against you, though. That piece of proof is completely valid, it just could be interpreted incorrectly.
I sold mine for 6 ref a week ago in a few hours. But I'm not voting on this suggestion yet
In all honestly it took me a minute to read that.
I kind of like the 5.66-5.77 range right now. Like everyone has been saying, 5.88 isn't fast enough. Sure, people are able to sell 5.88, heck I sold 4 keys at 5.88, but it was to the same guy after the trade was up for a day I believe, and he was desperate. I'm still able to buy keys at 5.66 easily I think they may be consistent right here for a bit.
Honestly this is a HUGE sigh of relief seeing that keys aren't going up as fast.
hell the key average hasn't increased for like 3 weeks on trade.tf and it has just changed and it's barely 0.05 change, leaning towards both 5.77 and 5.88
I won't bother discussing this anymore, I'll just wait until cleverpun comes over.
Now after all that spamming up there and this comment I seriously have no idea on which side you are.
Also, how long have you been banned?
Upvote. I've sold two at 6 ref.
2 Keys @ 6 Ref sold in .. 1 Week?
Call yourself a successful Trader, Please.
Yeah that means no wanted to pay 6 ref for a key, a week ago but they are paying 6 ref now.
I'm not trying to be a "successful trader". I posted two separate trades, selling 1 key in each of them. The first one, I posted two days ago, and sold that one last night. The other one, I posted an hour ago, and was sold within 30 mins. I sold the two keys because I wanted to pay for some games in metal.
444 comments... Holy shit.
(445)
As much as I hate to do it, upvoted. :|
I say, if bots are selling @ 5.88, then that should not be in the price range. lol.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13373426
i put up my trade and 10 minutes later a guy added me
they gave me 6 ref when i only asked for 5.88
the trade is longer because i forgot to close it
That means he don't want to recraft metal just because 1 scrap and he also don't want wasting his time just to save few scraps (he is quickbuuyer)
well i had three other people add me when i woke up that were still willing to buy at 5.88
that means there's more quickbuyers
Finally when will this be decided
5.66-5.77 is still more relevant. Down vote from me.
If we are leaving 5.66 in the range we might as well add 5.88 since has been shown to be possible. I only would do this becuase 5.66-5.77 are usually bought up very quickly and resellers who buy 5.77 -> sell for 5.88 are still in business plus of course, 5.88 is shown to be sellable.
But it definately looks like the price of keys has been slowing down. P