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Unusual Master's Yellow Belt Scorching Flames
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Resuggesting, because there were an actual sale for 170 and evidence supports it. Alongside, the landslide of comments on it was getting annoying.


#RandomSuggestions #ResuggestingForValidReasons


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The Sales

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http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25270330 - Sold for 14 Buds (133 Keys)


Key Buyout Constraint: 130 Keys


http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198050145901?time=1427353200

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198050145901?time=1427526000


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http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25619436 - Sold for 150 Keys.


http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198044501480?time=1428476400

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198044501480?time=1428562800


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http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25619436#latest - Sold for 150 Keys + 4 Earbuds (20 Keys) (170)


http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198044501480?time=1428476400

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198044501480?time=1428562800


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Supporting Evidence:

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Sold for about 130 Keys:

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198062565400?time=1421913600

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198062565400?time=1422000000


Roughly 140 Keys: (Bulk sale, so it is invalid regardless.)

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198151048590?time=1426143600

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198151048590?time=1426230000


Apolo's comment from the last suggestion:

I've been given a deposit of 50 keys for my Scorching Yellowbelt, and have the agreement of him finishing a payment of 170 on May 3rd.

> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25662591

He gave me 57 / 170 , 50 of which are unrefundable.

> User: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198073616197


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There was a sale that was over 200, but considering there were a massive amount of unusuals (good portion of them being outdated and some just now being priced) thrown in that sale, I'll say outlier on it. Sales seem to correlate around here.

    Sorry. But I just have to say this xD

    But how can you use this as proof? and as lowend


    Key Buyout Constraint: 130 Keys

    http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198050145901?time=1427353200

    http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198050145901?time=1427526000


    He is not even selling it. And there is nothing about him asking 130 keys for it now


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    Also. For all of those who wonder. This is the 200+ sale:

    Before: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198070018257?time=1428822000

    After: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198070018257?time=1428908400

    Sold for 122 keys + Voodoo juju (2 keys) + 135 in unusuals. So about 250 keys in total. Solid 200+ key sale

      The dude doesn't have in his backpack at all. It sold on that day for what it was listed for.


      Also, the 200 sale seems pretty high, compared to all other sales.

        not really. since everyone selling it for 200 keys or more in unusuals. I would say 130 keys is low compared to recent sells

          >Since everybody is selling it for 200 keys.

          Yet... we are looking at solds. Not what the market is trying to manipulate it for right now.

            Manipulate. That is your opinion I think. I just wanted to precent the most recent sale ^^

            I think everyone knows how the market changed last 3 weeks. Using a 3 or more weeks sale in buds

            wouldn't be accurate at this point. I think you should wait and see how much it sell for in the next 2 weeks

            before trying to price it. since it just got sold for 200+. But that is my opinion ^^ Thats it from me

              This was already used in a suggestion for another hat. Also, you're only basing it off of one sale that seems to be an outlier.

              I have five sales, on the contrary, that says this hat should be priced lower than that 200 sale.

              Your friend even pointed out offers around 150~170 that makes this range valid.

                The 130 key sale should not be included in price suggestion . All 3 last sales were higher than this sale . I believe it was an outlier and it happened at a very critical point when buds were crushing apart . Right now , as i see it , you got the 150 key sale , the 170 key sale and FANCY PANTS sale . make a price suggestion of those 3 sales . you did not include fancy pants sale which is like the most updated sale and it is not an outlier since he overpaid in mixed offer . You did take 130 key sale which is obviously too low but you did not take FANCY PANTS sale . If you want to me make it fair , take all the 4 sales and resuggest price .

                  Did you even dare look at the supportive evidence or you guys going to keep spouting about that one single sale that's over 200 keys alone? Seriously. You even mentioned in the last suggestion that the offers correlate more around 150 to 170 than anything.


                  I'm not taking a 200+ key sale when I have two sales to back up the 130 price.

                    hah. you are stubborn ( and ignorant) All I mean is that alot can happen in 3 weeks. And since there have been recent sales that proves it. You can't say much about it. You even called it manipulation :p And also. Stop calling me AfricanDrugLord my friend. I never met him before. I bet this stupid suggestion will pass. since its a liked misc that everyone want. But still. its just a number. Won't change anything

                      Iam sorry Traflgar law but you have to include FANCY PANTS sale because its very updated and its not an outlier since the guy paid almost half with unusuals, i would ask the same if i was FANCY PANTS. just because there are a lot of unusuals there and you dont have the power to do some researches about each unusual he got in the trade , it doesnt mean you can ignore the trade . with an overpay this will be probably around 200 . The 130 key sale is Outlier for sure , chances it will happen are 0 after backpack.tf pricing changed .

                        According to your own logic, if I put the high end for 200, then no one will sell for 150. Stop with the flawed arguments. I'm going off of the basis of proof and not going to mark it up, because you guys want to manipulate the price. I have presented all the sales here and they correlate to 130 to 170, but you're taking one sale that seems to be much higher (and with no backbone to support it) than the suggested range and not thinking outliers can go both ways.

                        >Stupid Suggestion

                        If it's so stupid, then why in the hell are you rambling on it like a child?


                        I have pointed out that I have 5+ sales that are within' this range and your sale appears to be an outlier. (look below) If you can show for another sale that puts it closer to 200 keys, then I'll happy mark it up. Otherwise, stop harassing me.


                        130, 130, 140, 150, 170, 170* (reserved offer), 210. What appears to be the outlier in these numbers? 210.

                          Ill point out few problems :

                          1) your first sale of supporting evidence has no proofs for 130 key sale . You need to provide screenshot of trade , or at

                          least explain what he sold it for , cause its messed up there .

                          2) first sale of supporting evidence happened 3 month ago . invalid

                          3) 210 is not an outlier . Considering he have to spend time to resell many unusuals its a very fair price for his belt . Time = money , we both know that .

                          4) If you want to include the 130 key sale , you also have to include the 210 key sale , cause If the 210 key is an outlier , the 130 as well . If you want this suggestion to be fair , you need to take all the last updated sales and make a price suggestion based by those sales . Please do not provide sales before the pricing changed , and especialy not before that . To change its price we need sales AFTER backpack.tf pricing method changed . This is the only way to get the true value of the unusual . However , polar will review this and decide .

                            1) I provide a transaction history of the hat. The trade also said it was that too. There is proof.

                            2) First supportive evidence's end history is the 23rd of January. Not invalid.

                            3) That's not a basis of an outlier. You have to show that 210 has offers or actual sales to back it up. In fact, you gave me in the last suggestion of offers between 150 to 170 keys. You don't have any backbone on the 210 keys.

                            4) The 130 sale isn't considered an outlier. There are sales correlating downwards from 170, not upwards.


                            You both don't even have any credible history of providing suggestions. Yet, you're telling me how to make a suggestion.

                            idk if you missed this. BUT BUDS HAVE CRASHED xD

                              and if you don't want an answer. don't respond to any of it ^^ simple

                                We actually can base off of buds. We just credit the bud's worth at the time of the sale.

                                  but you can't ignore proof of recent sells. And its not up to you to judge if its an outliner.

                                  This is the problem with this site imo. The one who precent the sales just choose the sales that they want to show

                                    Actually, I went out of my way to provide my case of 130 to 150 keys. When there was actual evidence of 170, I moved the high end upwards, because there was actual proof of that price being supported by a reserved offer and a sale. Yet, you're basing off of one sale and have no offers or other sales to correlate your price at all. That means it is an outlier.


                                    The suggester has to determine the outlier. So, I have the right to say 210 is an outlier.

                                      I don't have time for this :p I made my point and provided the proof of the 200+ offer. You choose to ignore it. cus YOU think its an outliner for some reason. Maybe cuz my name isn't Apollo. Thats all from me

                                        130 is also an outlier . No chance this can happen again . It happened 1 time a long time ago and your supporting evidence is invalid because the trade was made nearly 2-3 month ago . Ill contact the guy and ask him about the date of the trade was made , to be more specific about what we are talking here . And ill be firm on my words - the 210 key sale was not an outlier . when lots of cheap , hard to sell unusuals are part of a deal , a big overpay is required . Sadly traders are not stupid as well . Maybe the way you see its an outlier by backpack.tf rules , but according to my trading experience it is not an outlier . This is how trading words - you pay in unusuals you overpay , simple as that . You cant avoid this sale . Lets stop our conversation here , and let polar decide . We are wasting our time . ill let you know about the date of the supporting evidence trade .

            You forgot to include my sale i got it for a clean cloudy moon trophy + 20 keys