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Non-Tradable Iron Curtain
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Not sure if this is allowed.


Seller at [FREE]:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25642691 [Young, but will mature]


Unsold at 1 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25638340 [11H]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25627948 [1D]


As always, please try and keep the comments relevant, please don't make comment comprised only of "upvote" or "downvote". Counter-proof / supportive proof is always appreciated!

    "Wrapped Iron Curtain - 1 key + 2 ref"

      Eeeeehhh, fair enough, it is pre-wrapped.

        "JUST PROVIDE GIFT WRAP!"

        So he's buying for 2 ref.

          No, he's asking for a key and 2 ref.

          He never supplies gift wrap.

            Yes, so he's buying for 2 ref, since a gift wrap costs about a key.

              No.

              He's asking for a key and 2 ref.

              You supply giftwrap as well.

              You can't find a buyer and then remove what the cost of the giftwrap is, that's not how this works.

                Alright let me explain in basics.

                He's buying pre-wrapped for 1 key + 2 ref

                Gift wrap costs about 1 key

                He's buying not-wrapped for 2 ref. But you can't trade not-wrapped non-tradable items and he doesn't provide gift wrap. Therefor, if the potential seller gets a gift wrap for 1 key, he could sell it to this buyer for 1 key + 2 ref, meaning he basically sold the Iron Curtain for 2 ref.

                  Nonononononononono that's not how it works...


                  He's buying. At 1 key. 2 ref.

                  Done.

                  There.

                  Simple as it gets.

                    Whatever, dude. I'm trying to help you out.

                    It's not like I care what happens to my bp value.

                      IK, I removed the last part as it was a bit harsh.


                      Also, if he said "buying at 2 ref if you supply the wrap" then that could be used, IDK how to use/react to a trade that seems a little like an outlier at this point.

                "About".There's a gift wrap for 15.66 in the classifieds, which means the minigun should be 3 ref.

        Valid sale at a key here - http://backpack.tf/vote/id/551c62b8b88d8879768b45fb


        Probably need to wait here.

          That's the one I was mentioning

            I think the 1 key sale is an outlier given there's 1 ref and free sellers.

            Lol gonna change the sale price of a UNSELLABLE WEAPON

              Pretty much.

              If this item has potential, why make it near free?

                Free is not for me in this case. Ive been wrap scammed before.

                  NOOOOOO PLEASE

                    For what.


                      ew gift wrap scammer

                        "31 December"

                        Too old to use.

                          That is kinda ridiculous as the amount that this item is sold is so small that you need a bigger window.

                            Yeah but its been 5 months, and thats inflated

                        I've Said it before I'll say it again. It doesn't make sense to make something free because one person is giving it away. Bill gates gives away money to charity. Does that make money worth nothing? NO. One charitable person can not make something worthless because they're giving it away. What if I gave this away and it was free? I could buy another 20 once it became free. This will lead to this kind of manipulation of it continues.

                          Problems with your argument:

                          1) Money can never be free as it's the currency of the world.

                          2) I fail to comprehend how you'll be able to "buy" something that is free, letalone buy/take 20 of them when the market doesn't even have ~5 that don't have killstreak.

                          3) How is it manipulation when I have valid proof?

                          4) If you gave it away, something that's not valued by anyone and no one will pay for then it should, technically be free.


                          Let's have a look at some other items, shall we?

                          Less than my range, 0 ref flat: http://backpack.tf/stats/Unique/MONOCULUS!/Tradable/Craftable . This guy had someone giving it away for free and that was accepted.

                          Same for these ones:

                          http://backpack.tf/stats/Unique/Necronomicrown/Non-Tradable/Craftable

                          http://backpack.tf/stats/Unique/License%20to%20Maim/Non-Tradable/Craftable

                          http://backpack.tf/stats/Unique/Bloodhound/Non-Tradable/Craftable

                          http://backpack.tf/stats/Haunted/Templar%27s%20Spirit/Non-Tradable/Non-Craftable


                          If someone is then going to say "NO!" to my suggestion because of other reasons, such as an invalid buyer then that's blatant mod/admin manipulation.


                          OK then, I hear you say "erhmagerd those don't matter". What about crates? What about all those crate series that have their price set as 0.01? What about them? What about unusuals or other items that have no price? They technically have a value of 0 ref, 0 keys and 0 buds, all that matters to those owners is sentimental value.


                          I've already gotten downvoted because I don't agree with you, classic backpack.tf

                            Says in the suggestion "Not sure if this is allowed". Argues extremely obnoxiously and obviously for it clearly being allowed and saying if someone says no due to other reasons its manipulation. Also adding to the fact that 0 ref does not equal not being priced yet. this has a price. People are paying for it as shown by the 2 ref buyer below. As long as at least one person is paying for it then it shouldn't be free according to your definition of the word.

                              free (frē)

                              adj/adv/ver. fre·er, fre·est

                              without cost or payment.


                              This item was given to someone without cost or payment required.

                                So if i gave away, say, something with a smallish market like my eyeborg it would become free. This is what you are telling me right now, correct?

                                  That's different.

                                  Eyeborg is a craft hat and thus can't go below 1.33


                                  Different example please.

                                    eyeborg is Halloween actually, meaning it can very well go below that. Exhibit A being a different Halloween cosmetic, the B-ankh! currently priced at 1 scrap.

                                      Yeah no.

                                      The eyeborg is craftable, unlike the B-ankh!.


                                      If your argument is correct, explain this: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/551aef55b88d8885638b457a

                                        then how about if i gave away my b-ankh! ? would that make it free. There is still a market for them.

                                          No it would not because your giveaway would be an outlier and would probably taken within the first few hours.

                                          This, on the other hand, took ~a week.

                                            I suppose so. *grudgingly throws hat on the ground in a fit and upvotes*

                              Kinda funny when a comment is bigger than the thing they're commenting on...

                              WAT R U DOINZ?!?1 DUNVUT CUZ I WIL LOS PROFITZ!!1

                              Not exactly sure how this will work, but nobody seems to love the Poker Night Items when it comes to being worth anything anymore, so meh.

                                Vintage Max, Vintage Luger, Com Sparkle Luger ect


                                They're still worth something :P

                                  But those were more specifically for preordering Sam and Max Devils Playhouse or whatever it was. Not Poker Night. Unless Poker Night 1 did a V. Lugermorph promotion I forgot about.

                                The Free seller is invald now

                                  Took a week to give away, it's fine.

                                Maybe put a range since there were valid solds?

                                  What, a 0.01-1 key range?

                                    That's kind of shit ugly. Did the 0.01 actually sold?

                                      Yes

                                    maybe he is selling it for free but you provide the wrap and he is quitting tf2

                                      That was the premise.

                                      They guy is selling it for free because he's crashing out of tf


                                      Tf2

                                        I'm giving away free items all the time, that doesn't make them all worthless. This dude is quitting and giving them away. Idiot.

                                          uMad?

                                          It doesn't matter if he's quitting or not.


                                          He's giving them away because he doesn't want them or he wants to get rid of them quickly. I wouldn't, and nor would anyone else, find someone giving away a strange loch or something and then make the price free. That would be an outlier, in this case, this is not an outlier and thus should be the new price IMO.


                                          Oh, looky here! You own one, what a surprise.

                                          I see you don't want your backpack to go down ~$0.12 because that means so much.

                                            I don't care about the price for myself, I care about the fact that making a weapon literally worthless is stupid, even a renamed stock is worth 1 rec. If I give away a balloon that doesn't make all balloons free. This dude is giving them away because he's not interested in TF2 anymore, he is giving it to whomever wants it. He doesn't want it, someone else might.

                                              He's giving it away.

                                              I don't see why you're hating.

                                                So that doesn't mean that all of them are worthless. It means one person is being charitable, not that the entire market (no matter how small it is) should shift because of that. I mean, I've given away scrap before. Does that make scrap worthless?

                                                  If there were a bunch of sales above the freebie dude then you'd have a point. If you wanna prove it, go find those sales! If they don't exist then this is valid.

                                        Upvoting this as much as humanly possible

                                          Admins just need to close this already!

                                            The Neg trolls are strong in this post!

                                              No, its because your comment is not constructive towards the suggestion (its more like spam like Youtube comments).

                                              http://backpack.tf/rules

                                              Seriously, you are just a random person shouting out "Admins, close this" without a reason; how can you not be hated on?

                                              Ain't this the truth

                                              From what I know the price is the value of the item, not including the gift wrap but it is up to the voters on this price suggestion.

                                                FREE=/=0.01.Downvote.

                                                I played an mvm match with a 30 tour heavy using this last night and questioned his sanity

                                                  Not relevant= Stop commenting things like this.

                                                    Offended engi

                                                  Well are people going to be in a trade server like "Buying iron kurtain for 0 keys!"

                                                    People raffle shit off all the time

                                                      This isn't a raffle...

                                                      They're different...

                                                      ;_;

                                                        One time I found someone on Outpost who was giving away all his shit because he was quitting TF2. I got a free conga from him (thx gaben), but that doesnt mean the conga is worth nothing

                                                      uh, the free seller aside (who is quitting TF2)

                                                      2 trades do not seem to be enough proof for now

                                                        My god, I see dislikes everywhere.

                                                          Because people are too obnoxious to read all the other comments before posting, thus me needing to doublepost.

                                                          Regi524 makes comment


                                                          **instantly down voted **

                                                          But wasn't it only sold for 0.01 because of cashing out?

                                                          Not sure how it all works but it's a legit sale so...

                                                            Eh, it doesn't really matter if he's cashing out or not.

                                                            If someone is cashing out and puts items up on sale cheaply, I see no reason why that can't be used as valid proof.

                                                            It's like saying "he says it's a quicksell it must be a quicksell".


                                                            And TBH the downvotes don't really affect me, it's just funny to see the immaturity of this site really show when they see something they don't like.

                                                              Said perfectly, thanks

                                                            Someone gives away a tv on the side of the road

                                                            Walmart has 56 of these exact tvs but only 53 sell.

                                                            tv must be worth nothing because 3 unsold and one free


                                                            I'm so done if this gets passed

                                                              As I've said, multiple times.


                                                              ___ (in this case, TVs) are different as they still have value because of the fact people will pay for them and 1 giveaway =/= the entire market. In this case, there's technically no valid buyers and there's more market than just less than 1 page of outpost.

                                                            I feel sorry for the people who have to sell 100 for a ref XDXD

                                                              The guy at free is giving stuff away (cause he's a nice guy,) he's not a seller and like he says in his trade comments, isn't giving the stuff away for anything to do with pricing

                                                              Also, your first unsold has sold, and the second has closed the trade (however still unsold). Therefor you only have 1 proof.... taking the "1D" link as valid

                                                              Furthermore, you have valid counter proof

                                                              Downvote here

                                                                none of the sellers sold

                                                                  "you have no valid counter proof"

                                                                  Where?

                                                                  Where?

                                                                  I'm actually confused, where do you see no proof?


                                                                  I'm gonna rewrite it because it seems like everyone in this comment section has no knowledge of how to scroll down and/or READ other comments.

                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25642691 <Sold for free, but took a week. Valid.

                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25627948 <Gave up, still in inventory

                                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25638340 <Gave up, still in inventory

                                                                    He's saying that there is valid counterproof against your suggestion, not that you have no proof.

                                                                      I have no idea where you found that quote ("no valid counterproof") ROFL

                                                                      I was actually pointing out the massive amount of counter proof, for example,

                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24509642

                                                                      &

                                                                      http://i.imgur.com/BEiGiNG.png

                                                                      Here's one I found myself...

                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24852051 - sold for 1.33 a month ago

                                                                      Duh? :D


                                                                      Secondly, after having READ your "proof" a SECOND time, let me RESPOND a SECOND time. *ahem

                                                                      "SOLD FOR FREE" was not a sold, as it was given away cause he was a nice guy who stopped tf2, as said in the comments he had written below (Here are some quotes by the owner of the giveaway/trade himself: 1."This trade is no means any way to sway the pricing set on backpack.tf" 2. "people are using my trade as something to vote for prices? I'm just giving away things because I'm done with tf2." I think the second one may have been directed at you, regi ). If you look really really carefully you'd notice that he cleverly spells out FREE in his trade with steam icons, which took me a whole LOT of time to notice.

                                                                      So "sold for free", not valid


                                                                      Secondly, the second gave up in inventory guy may have had 2 or something, or decided not to sell (as opposed to give up) as he had put a strikethrough in the iron curtain. Thats why I took that as a possible proof. Therefore, you have only one or perhaps 2 unsolds to prove your range

                                                                      Decide to take a look at this suggestion due to the large amount of comments and the fact that it has been up for a while (bundled old proof + added new):


                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25789878 - 1 ref (but ks)

                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25536562 - 0.55/1.11ref?

                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25509312#latest - 1 ref

                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25189178 - 1 ref

                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25638340 - 1 ref

                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25644067 - 1 ref

                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25166018 - 1 ref (old)

                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24257885 - 1 ref (old)

                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24852051 - 1.33 ref (old)

                                                                      http://i.imgur.com/dEMoFqm.png - stainless pot (old)

                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25741583 - 2 ref

                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25725377 - 2 ref

                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24509642 - buying for 2 ref?

                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24796442 - 1 key? (old)

                                                                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25372708 - sold for spec ks S. shotgun with 9 ref worth of parts


                                                                      And then we have these ones which are free: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25642691 , http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25629964

                                                                      Combine that with the solds and you'll notice that this price suggestion doesn't reflect a more accurate price.

                                                                        I'll have to agree with you here. Sales are all over the place for this item. There's a potential buyer at 2, and quite a few sales at 1. The links at 0 ref appear to be outliers here, this appears to regularly sells for 1+ ref.


                                                                        Closing

                                                                        seems legit.

                                                                          4,000th vote.