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Yes i shall make a price for keys once more
I made sure its after the cooldown too :D
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Buyers<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23324698 (11 ref)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23810996 (11 ref)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23766408 (10.44)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23201623 (10 ref)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23111547 (9.33?)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23826982 (11.05)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23595523 (11.11)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23686995 (11 ref)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23762787 (10.33)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23832617 (11.33, BOUGHT 1/CLOSED)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23721234 (11.33!)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23806879 (11 ref)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23574975 (11 ref, BOUGHT ONE/CLOSED)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23820258 (11 ref)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23800721 (11 ref)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23741703 (11 ref)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23573487 (10.33)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23360901 (9 ref?)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22455376 (bot, 10.88)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23832702 (11 ref)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22296654 (10.44)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23699080 (10.66)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23804937 (10.88)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23369619 (10 ref)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23001713 (for 2 tickets + 1.33 or 10.66)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22712030 (10.33)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23796474 (11 ref)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23606961 (10.66)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23796438 (bot, 11 ref)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23801336 (11.22 ref)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23729495 (10.66)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23659240 (11 ref)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23833156 (10.77)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23813381 (11 ref)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23773638 (10.33)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23828082 (11 ref)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23830895 (11.11)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23716842 (10.33)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23828186 (11 ref)
Buyers at 10.88
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23832498 (has 1 key in stock only)
buyers at 11 refs
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23834414
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23831701
buyers at 11.11
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23831375
buyers at 11.22
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23831724
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SALES<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
solds at 11 refs
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23830542
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23831164
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23834253 (within 20 mins)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23834129
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23833958
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23833261
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23833065
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23833007
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23833003
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23832686
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23832665
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23832522
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23832401
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23832187
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23832126
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23831879
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23831740
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23831431
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23830433
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23830073
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23830059
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23829891
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23829435
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23829313
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23829255
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23829042
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23828634
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23828569
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23828467
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23828304
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23827713
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23826663
solds at 11.11 refs
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23831385
solds at 11.22 refs
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23834420
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23832754
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23830013
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23829752
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23827936
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23827610
sold at 11.33
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23826654
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23833235
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23832758
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23832
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23831443
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23831126
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23830750 (sold a few)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23830429
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23830130
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23829805
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23829671
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23829319
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23828578
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23828281
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23828417
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23826550
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23826171
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23833498
I welcome any advices :) If there is improvements i will edit it just please tell me :P
on your 11.44 sales, only 3/14 were sold...
Good proof
it'd be nice to see the buyers organized in the future :<
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23111547 also yes, he's buying for 9.33, I doubt this link is particularly relevant though (could take it out, recommendation extends to others like it)
i would love to but its been an hour cant edit ;/
"in the future" :>
Owns : 40 ... Hmmmmmm .... mmmmm .... mmmm .....
but i support the proof, upvote
I don't honestly see why the prices on keys, backpack expanders and tour of duty tickets should be judged by outposts posters. Like sure there's the over flowing of refined but not everyone is gonna get 100 refined a second. Also why not let the backpack.tf/ Owners make the prices of Keys & ect. and then keep that price firm.
If people are willing to pay X amount than that is what backpack prices it at.
Never Change Bp.tf.
Never Change.
+vote
check their bps ty .
Not true.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23826654 - not in bp
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23833235 - not in bp (a different key was sold, check history)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23832758 - not in bp
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23832 - ???????
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23831443 - not in bp
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23831126 - not in bp
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23830750 - none in bp
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23830429 - not in bp
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23830130 - not in bp
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23829805 - not in bp
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23829671 - not in bp
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23829319 - not in bp
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23828578 - not in bp
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23828281 - not in bp
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23828417 - not in bp
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23826550 - not in bp
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23826171 - not in bp
Alas, all of them are sold. Also, I'd like to point out that most (if not all) were sold without the need of bumping, and the "added" comments some of them have even show that people buy them within minutes. I wouldn't say 11.33 takes time to sell, let alone be impossible. At this point it even seems that 11-11.33 is low.
i know but i dont have enough proof to ask for more ;/
My mistake, thank you for pointing it out.
Who would have guessed, 11 ref is quicksell now.
Your buyer at 11.22 isn't buying, and probably won't be until they sell that key for 11.55
yeah true but buyers isnt the important one here sales are?
buyers are still important...shows people are willing to pay [insert price here]. can also help indicate quickbuy/sell values
Some of your "solds" didn't actually sell.
Check the item history and ID beforehand.
You cannot simply assume that it has been sold just because the trade was closed.
well i checked the one at 11 refs and the ones at 11.33 but the 11.44 id remove now.
yeah you're correct, they have sold as either they don't have them in their bp's anymore, or that the keys they have in their bp's now don't match the keys in the trade.
upvote for you ????
does that matter?
yes :) ofcoruse it does every vote counts !!! no matter big or small
actually, votes don't matter at all
as pyroman says, votes don't technically matter, admins have final say in whether or not a suggestion gets accepted, but if the suggestion is "on the fence" then the admins usually consider votes to decide what to do
i wil improve it :D
Item histories aren't reliable for items like keys which are way often traded around a lot. Check backpack instead. If you can't find any keys with same original ID that means it sold. This is what I do when I create key suggestion.
Ah I see. Thank you for the tip.
oh phew i thought i had to restart everything ..
It looks quite right at the moment. We shall see if this changes during day or so.
i see well if it does change i could maybe add more proof as it changes ?
You should! Staff might appreciate if you do so. Such suggestions might come upon manual check. If you bring fresh evidence and it supports your range, it might help to get better conclusions and faster response.
i see alright i will sleep and then maybe add new evidence to it tmr afternoon :D
Please keep the comments relevant and constructive to the suggestion. If you want to rant, go to the forums
Alrighty well i wont be replying in a few hours because imm going to bed
Do I need to bring this garbage up:
http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5467c067b98d88cf3a8b4bae
look at the end of that url...
bae
Hello there :]
Economy is not failing nor Key is killing the economy. Keys are rising in metal because of huge demand, people are willing to pay the price. If you want it to stop, go and request Valve to put a good if not great feature use for refined metal.
It isn't sellers fault either, if buyers are willing to pay, sellers will sell. If you want to discuss further please take it here :
http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/6090-the-one-and-only-key-price-topic/
Read this guide about why key rises in metal most of the time. Its made by an user in the steam community.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=344497200
Woo, my guide is being referenced.
Its a pretty neat one.
My comment:
The problem is: buyers USE backpack.tf prices like they are the set prices.
And even if 80% of people refuse to pay these prices, the other 20% will follow that ^. And then those 20% are used to raise the price further.
The problem is both the site and the people. And the only way I can think of to fix this is a sink for refined.
Imm not trying to increase the value of my bp.
It's fine as long as conclusions are based on legit proof.
Alright thanks :D
irrelevant, and anything priced at a key or higher (buds+) is going to go up (sort of) from a rise in key's metal value
(also, no respect for you http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5467c067b98d88cf3a8b4bae )
That is okay.The key was some month ago just 7 Ref now it is 11thats normal and many sell it for 11.33 so i think 11.33 is okay but not more. ;)
Some month ago Key was 7 ref now it is 11, thats normal, and okay, 11.33 is good cause mayn sell it for so much but more is too much. ;)
Well, i feel like it matches the real prices, it was nearly impossible to get one for 10.77 (which is the lowest atm).
I must admit every suggestion that increases a key's value kinda freaks me out. But i feel like these prices -the ones being suggested- are the real ones right now (and i expect that people will RESPECT them).
so upvote
Downvote => cooldown
I believe the change is big enough that cooldown is irrelevant.
Cool down is 7 days, wait for it will ya
Cooldown for keys is 3 days
http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/2620-key-cooldown-guidelines-read-before-making-key-suggestions/
It's 3 now.
More solds at 11.33
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23088742
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23346898
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22556176
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23274067
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23743531
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23401848
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23453989
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23783129
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23801664
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23653426
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23679662
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23764742
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23793890
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23589074
I open up just the first link and I see
Btlicraft | Jumpacademy.tf
22 hours ago
Ok. Serioulsy. How hard can it be to just simpily read the entire notes section? How can I make it more clear? Its in red, its bolded and itaclicized, and stands out. I AM NOT SELLING HOLLY CRAP JEESUS CHRIST MAN READ! Adding another to people who are illiterate
This was 22 hours ago, more bad proof..
I'd recommend editing your notes, removing the line that indicates you are selling keys at 11.33. That might reduce some confusion.
Not enough proof for a big change like this, the last thing we need is keys to be worth even less.
Besides, alot of your proof is flawed and I can still get a key any day for 10.77-11ref, no need to change it.
I didn't miss the fact that your bp is worth $9 and you are opposing this because it doesn't benefit you.
Stawp discriminatin against da poor!
I sold many at 11.33 within a day. It's so easy to sell at that price that it's getting scary. Who knows how much keys will be worth 1 year from now...
Managed to sell one for 11.44 within 5 minutes.
http://gyazo.com/dac18131dd37d2960eabffcb9e6607d3
sold 10 for 11.33 each yesterday, only took one bump
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23825901#latest
This was long overdue, I've been buying at 11 to no avail. Heck, even bots are buying for 11+ now.
Why do people rant about the suggester having a high amount of keys? Seriously, It's obvious by now that you might want to hold onto as many keys as you can as the prices as rushing up. Saying that the suggester is trying to manipulate prices or anything like that while ignoring such fact is really unthoughtful.
Anyways, It's sad to see the price jumps there has been for keys in the last 2 months. Keys used to go up by a single weapon every 3 or so days, but now it's going up by like a reclaimed+ every week. As unfortunate as it is, the price range suggested is very accurate at this moment. What I don't find very good about this suggestion is the amount of proof given. It seems a little lacking to me, but it's fine, I guess.
And yet people in game are still buying and selling around 10 ref.
Good proof, upvote from me faster it goes up the faster it goes down
Quite true my lad. Quite true.
iSheep. Upvote. If I don't instant dislikes. Must please the masses.
Also need to point out that cooldown.
Ah, keys! Like seeing that they are increasing in price. Makes it easier to buy certain items (that are worth a few keys). Sad to see that people are posting bad suggestions, insulting people about how they are "making the economy crash" and "I don't have enough to buy the key, please stop increasing!"
Upvotin'.
R.I.P Key price 2.33-11.33 ref
price should be going down my because there are more in the world so prices should go down just like ref
That may be true, but if the market is indicating a rise, then bp.tf will reflect a rise, whether it follows basic economic principles or not.
You know why people keep selling keys for higher and higher prices? Because people like you want to suggest higher prices like they know you will, then the economy will keep rising, and rising, and rising, and then when its at the top of the pinnacle, the whole thing will topple down and reset. Then we'll have to do all this all over again.
When keys were 2 ref, those were the days. Now its more than quintupled in price, because of all those greedy nubs out there.
So, I'll vote this price up, just to help speed up the crashing of the economy, and then I'll laugh and laugh like a mad hyena when it happens.
Go keys, go!
I think keys couldn't stay at 2 ref, they had to go up. But we can definitely say they wouldn't be 11 ref if people weren't so greedy and kept adding 0.11 every single day. I don't know why you are getting downvoted, you are saying the truth after all. The only reason keys are this high is purely because of the traders. If backpack.tf decided to stop bumping the price for a month and see what happen I don't know how much it will help, it's not really backpack.tf fault.
upboat because the proof is there including evidence.
RIP Market.
Can't wait for keys to be 12 ref, upboat.
thanks :)
This is like Kim Kardashian's "Break the Internet", except it's breaking the tf2 economy, and and instead of a booty it's a key, and just like both, I'M LIKIN' IT!
So when will people stop adding 0.33 to backpack.tf price every time it changes? People found a way to make profit and now everyone is doing it. This is the only reason keys are going up. I guarantee you a day after this is accepted 11.33 will become a quicksell.
Well umm i dont think we can really do anything about it ? i think we just gotta face the fact man .
I'm just wondering when it will stop, haven't said backpack.tf can do anything about it.