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Unique Strange Part: Halloween Kills
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I own 8... Why...?


http://i.imgur.com/OOByCvK.png - sold for 1.2 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20029947 - sold for 1 key

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21256853 - rejected 1 key


Quite rare.

    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19570533 - unsold at 1 key for quite some time


    as to your proof:

    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20029947 - there is no proof he actually sold any

    http://i.imgur.com/OOByCvK.png - there is a rule that you can't use only your sales when pricing items. i tried to up the price of some botkiller scatter some time ago,and i couldn't because i only had 2 of my sales,and some quicksells + declined offers (not to say,i didn't own any,so it didn't even look like a price manipulation)


      If you can't use your own sales, why are 90% of my suggestions from my own sales?

        And as I said about the unsold at 1 key, it is unbumped for 3 days and can't be used.

      what is this supposed to prove?

          1 sale at 5.33, from like 2 weeks ago (pretty old for this), and unsolds prove nothing what so ever? The first 1 key is reserved. 2nd hasn't been bumped for 3 days. Still supports range.

      I agree with the price, but you shouldn't have your own trades.

        Only one was mine.:-)

          Yeah but it really shouldn't be counted. But I still agree with your price :)

          With an item as rare as these are, any trades with proof need to be provided.

          They are also trending up on the SCM. Cheapest is now $2.00, which in metal conversion is around 6.88-7.00 refined. After the few remaining at that level to around 1 key are sold, the next bump up in available ones there are around $4.00.


          Given the rarity of them and the fact we've had offers of 1 key or sales above one key, I support this range.

            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20029947 No proof of selling any.

            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21256853 Selling for 2 keys, which has nothing to do with your range.


            You have 1 sale at 1.2 keys, without any proof of 1 key solds. Easy downvote. You can't just make up a range, regardless of how outdated the price may be.

              I didn't make up a range. 1st link has a guy reserved at 1 key. 2nd link is showing that he rejected 1 key.

                Reserved for a key means nothing, and rejecting a key could either be an outlier, or a lowball.

              Downvoting, your price voting for your own profit, and there is almost NO proof.

                'almost NO proof.'


                are you high?

                  No, I am not. Have you ever seen someone with only 3 links of proof actually change a price?

                    Its called a rare item. Try reading the rule suggestions next time. Plenty of items have had price changes with 2-4 links.

                      I've seen plenty with one.

                        I might be wrong, but don't you need at least two different trades to have a proper suggestion?

                    This is coming from the guy (Spiddle) whos only suggestion was listing a bunch of sellers and not solds on a bread box. This is an alt account of this guy, who also has been banned for price manipulation before: http://backpack.tf/u/76561198103395165

                      lol the funny thing about him saying "Downvoting, your price voting for your own profit," is every one of his suggestions on his main are all for profit. They all have no proof also.

                      Most stupidest comment of the day award goes to SleepySpiddle

                      UPDATE: second was the wrong link, but http://i.imgur.com/medEwFH.png another person rejecting a key

                        Normally id downvote but considering its a rare item id give it an upvote but if you can more proof is appreciated

                          Interesting not going to agree or disagree

                            Need more proof

                            1st link: u could have bought for 20 Keys, doesnt neccesarily mean 20 keys should be in the range. If you want to use that, include the other parts that u bought...

                            2nd Link: Nothing to indicate that he sold for 1 key [are u randomly assuming?]

                            3rd Link: You offered?


                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19570533 : Unsold at 1 key for 2 months? [lel]

                            http://i.imgur.com/x11QREq.png - You bought for 5.33 like 2 weeks ago

                              Maybe a key flat would be better in this case.

                                the unsold for 1 key is really underbumped.last bumped 2 days ago

                                  Whatever his bump rate, he has had it open for 2 months+, so would consider that valid proof

                                Needs a bump, evidence is not there yet for this bump.


                                I like using steam market as backup for evidence, but some rare items temporarily have low stock on there from time to time. Need to see what kind of sales happen there in the next few weeks.

                                Not much evidence given; if there is any then it is invalid.

                                The part doesn't deserve a price raise as it only tracks kills on Halloween maps and/or in the Halloween events. Why raise such a minor, inconsiderable part to over a key? I don't see the logic.

                                  collectors

                                    It doesn't matter if it deserves a price range or not if it's a "minor inconsiderable part". The point is, if it's selling for more due in part to rarity, the price guide should reflect that.


                                    You can say the same thing about the Robots Killed During Halloween part that is priced at 4 keys. Same deal with that, and in my eyes, an even worse part. (Who the heck MvMs during the Halloween event anyways?)

                                      most irrelevant comment of the day award goes to That One Dolphin

                                      I like how since this suggestion has become popular, 5 have been posted on backpack.tf for aprox 1.5 to 2 keys.....

                                      Interesting....

                                        Well, I don't no what to think about this...

                                        [url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19570533[/url] Unsold at 1 key

                                        This is the only counter-evidence I can find because everyone is starting to sell the strange part for 2 keys (and they are all unsuccessful)

                                          The thing about this item is that its fairly rare, but its something that nobody wants. Would it be true to say that for this items:

                                          Supply>Demand ?

                                          Supply is low, but demand is even lower?

                                            I agree, however ever since this suggestion happened, it gained attention, which lead to a higher demand.

                                            1.2 keys is not equal to 1 key and 2 refined. 1.2 keys is equal to around 10 refined which is one ref higher than what you sold it for.

                                              2 ref = just below 0.25, which is rounded to 0.2.

                                                If you round 2 ref to 0.2 of a key then by your logic, a key costs 10 ref instead of 8.33 since 0.2 * 5 = 1 and 2 * 5 = 10

                                                  Look, 2 divided by 8.33 is 0.24. 0.24 is rounded down to 0.2.

                                                Correction: "one reclaimed lower" instead of "one ref higher"

                                                  what

                                                    1.2 keys are 9.86 ref or $2.42

                                                    10.33 refined are 1.26 keys or $2.53

                                                    Really, all you had to do was type "convert 1.2 keys" in the search bar next to the "Community" tab...

                                                  adding to 3v1lcl0n3|Buying Cards > 0.11 said

                                                  1 key - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19570533 >> UNSOLD 60 days

                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20029947 - there is no proof he actually sold any >> doesn't look like he sold any seeing the composition of his backpack

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                                                  and ... lets watch this :

                                                  5.33 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21437498 2 days

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                                                  I can see a 1 key .. but not 1.2 keys (even if you have one good proof for it). A (one only) good proof for high end, imo, is not enough. Time to time I also manage to sell items at a much higher price than bp price.

                                                    He must have changed the price he is selling the part for. He's selling it for 1.48 keys.

                                                      Yes, I stand corrected. he is selling 1 key 4 refs.

                                                      And the one selling for 1 key is already 80 days. I was going to test if this item sells at 1 key ... but it seems like a big risk to take.

                                                      you own 8


                                                      nice way of manipulating prices for profit

                                                        "you own 8"


                                                        ...

                                                        I'm fed up of people saying stuff like "manipulation" or "not enough proof". I'd like to see someone counter this.

                                                          Stop trying to get Profit.

                                                            Why would like 3 keys bother me? I have a lot of unusuals already.

                                                              oh, sorry :( Cause 3 keys is like I just got a jackpot and went to heaven :P Im serious. Im so poor :(

                                                                You're not that pure. I've been poorer.

                                                            This is the most heinous price manipulation I've ever seen anywhere. Your entire proof is:

                                                            1. Your own trade - valid only if you have other proof

                                                            2. Not a sale - the person still has that exact part with the same ID listed in their BP, and 2 more of them

                                                            3. An offer you made - invalid evidence


                                                            Even if you had 3 pieces of valid evidence instead of half of one at best, you would still have less proof of sales than parts that you personally own. Then you have all of the counter proof here.

                                                              Like I already said on the second one, it was the wrong link.

                                                                That still doesn't explain why you used an offer you made as one of your three pieces of proof.

                                                                  To show that he rejected 1 key. It proves it can be higher than a key. The key sale proves it is also a key. The 1 key 2 ref sale also proves it can be above 1 key.

                                                                    All you've proven is that you and one other person are willing to pay 1 key+ for the part.

                                                                      exactly, which is why I made this suggestion...

                                                                this guy didn't said the price... this cant be counted in to your proofs...

                                                                  I added the guy to ask what he sold for.

                                                                    UPDATE: They both refuse to tell me.

                                                                  BaddyGames came to me and put a trade offer in for this strange part to pay me a key which was my listed price however, it was already promised to a friend. So the trade was declined and the add pulled. He then researched who I traded it to and asked them how much they paid for it. My friend refused to give him a price even though he offered to pay a rec. He then came back to me and asked me how much I sold it for and offered a trade. This screams price mainpulation considering how many BaddyGames owns.

                                                                    Like I said, many, many times, I'm a collector.

                                                                    Proof is iffy at best, there's counterproof in the form of the lengthy unsold at 1 key, and the suggestion doesn't at all have the community's support.


                                                                    Closing.