This suggestion was marked as bad evidence and closed
by neverclever.
There should always be enough evidence to back up the new proposed value.
However, it appears that the evidence is not strong enough, or cherry-picked
in a way that does not represent the actual market value of the item.
Therefore, this suggestion has been closed.
Secret sales, more proof, advice. Anything you want. I just thought I'd start updating my items.
2nd link is lvl 69
3rd link is unbumped.
I think you need more proof.
3rd link has an offer for the suggested value, so I don't understand why it matters that its unbumped
Already mentioned about the level and bump. It would be welcoming to get proof. Most of them are just hidden in backpacks for keeps.
When its a special level, people are most likely to offer more.
And without someone bumping a trade, hes never on the website, and will never get a sell off that 2 key offer.
@Special level: Better to provide all trades then minimal amounts.
@Bump: Fact that someone is offering and willing to do 2 keys proves a raise in price.
What should be noted is the obvious rarity of this item - these stranges are generally kept, very rarely traded, and proof is generally scarce. One valid sold and an offer is still a very tiny amount of proof...
This kinda screams out "hey, I'm worth more than the original and still not selling for lower the suggested new price!" Perhaps a range of 1 - 2 keys would work better?
Also, here's some SCM proof (merely backup proof but I hope this helps out). These are the solds over the past week:
$3.42
$3.37 x3
$3.41
$3.42
$3.40
$3.37
$5.43
$2.96
$3.44
This all adds to $38.96.
38.96 / 11 = $3.54
$3.54 / 2.49 = ~1.4 keys.
With everything you've got here, you've shown 2 keys is possible, 1 key must be possible if 2 keys is (but no one sells at that price) and there's no way to prove it's a quicksale... I'd highly re-suggest a range of 1-2 keys.
I feel like 1 key is indeed a quicksell, but maybe not. I may be completely wrong.
Enough speculation, thanks for providing explanations/SCM. What we could do is wait for someone to come up with a 1 key sale or wait for a new one. Thank you!
link 1: yours
link 2: lvl 69
link 2: not sold
Your highest buyer is the LOWER end of the range. Proving few people are willing to pay 2 keys.
Downvote.
the 3rd link is a guy willing to pay 2 keys. And if he sold one for 2 keys, doesnt that mean that somebody was willing to pay that?
It's his sale, easy to fake for price manipulation. (not saying he did, but bumping this much based on so little evidence is rather sketchy)
The other one has not sold. It has an offer, yes. But is not yet sold. The guy offering doesn't even have 2 keys to spend.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20988675 I am pretty sure he sold it if you look at the comment and the buyers are just low ballers :| might be the reason why they have not bought one yet
I dunno. I don't see any trace of the eliminator's from the before person and the buyer. I gotta stay neutral on that.
Because I'm trying to price manip.Sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21126154 - My own trade, 2 keys, http://puu.sh/abMo7/5b0e5f2a35.png
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19645627 - Wants 2 keys, getting adds. 'Special lvl'
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21148674 - Unbumped, offer of 2 keys.
Buyers (nope.avi's)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20988675 - 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21011087 - 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19314705 - 4.66
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21194749 - 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19528827 - 5.66
Others
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21219962 - 1 key 4 ref (Painted)
Secret sales, more proof, advice. Anything you want. I just thought I'd start updating my items.
2nd link is lvl 69
3rd link is unbumped.
I think you need more proof.
3rd link has an offer for the suggested value, so I don't understand why it matters that its unbumped
Already mentioned about the level and bump. It would be welcoming to get proof. Most of them are just hidden in backpacks for keeps.
When its a special level, people are most likely to offer more.
And without someone bumping a trade, hes never on the website, and will never get a sell off that 2 key offer.
@Special level: Better to provide all trades then minimal amounts.
@Bump: Fact that someone is offering and willing to do 2 keys proves a raise in price.
What should be noted is the obvious rarity of this item - these stranges are generally kept, very rarely traded, and proof is generally scarce. One valid sold and an offer is still a very tiny amount of proof...
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21219962 - Selling @ ~1.5 keys, painted
This kinda screams out "hey, I'm worth more than the original and still not selling for lower the suggested new price!" Perhaps a range of 1 - 2 keys would work better?
Also, here's some SCM proof (merely backup proof but I hope this helps out). These are the solds over the past week:
$3.42
$3.37 x3
$3.41
$3.42
$3.40
$3.37
$5.43
$2.96
$3.44
This all adds to $38.96.
38.96 / 11 = $3.54
$3.54 / 2.49 = ~1.4 keys.
With everything you've got here, you've shown 2 keys is possible, 1 key must be possible if 2 keys is (but no one sells at that price) and there's no way to prove it's a quicksale... I'd highly re-suggest a range of 1-2 keys.
I feel like 1 key is indeed a quicksell, but maybe not. I may be completely wrong.
Enough speculation, thanks for providing explanations/SCM. What we could do is wait for someone to come up with a 1 key sale or wait for a new one. Thank you!
link 1: yours
link 2: lvl 69
link 2: not sold
Your highest buyer is the LOWER end of the range. Proving few people are willing to pay 2 keys.
Downvote.
the 3rd link is a guy willing to pay 2 keys. And if he sold one for 2 keys, doesnt that mean that somebody was willing to pay that?
Sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21126154 - My own trade, 2 keys, http://puu.sh/abMo7/5b0e5f2a35.png - Your trade, sketchy
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19645627 - Wants 2 keys, getting adds. 'Special lvl' - Still in BP, has not yet sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21148674 - Unbumped, offer of 2 keys.- Invalid offer, the guy only has one key in his bp. Also has not yet sold
Buyers (nope.avi's)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20988675 - 1 key - Low end of current range
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21011087 - 6 ref - Quickbuyer
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19314705 - 4.66 - Hilarious
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21194749 - 6 ref - Quickbuyer
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19528827 - 5.66 - More quickbuying
Others
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21219962 - 1 key 4 ref (Painted) - Rule of thumb for selling painted items, +1/2 paint value (in this case, 4.22 refined)
Verdict: The only sold is your own
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21259826 - 'bp.tf' price, let's see where it goes.
Sold after 2 days and was back up
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21312855 Sold again, wanted 2 keys, gone within a day
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20988675 I am pretty sure he sold it if you look at the comment and the buyers are just low ballers :| might be the reason why they have not bought one yet
I dunno. I don't see any trace of the eliminator's from the before person and the buyer. I gotta stay neutral on that.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20988675 If you check is bp he still has it :|
Whose? I'm checking and neither has it.
At the very end if you check the guy who is selling it
Maybe he had two, or got another one. He was selling one previously and it's not in his bp. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21055728
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21259826 - Sold @ bp.tf current price
http://backpack.tf/classifieds/?item=Eliminators%20Safeguard&quality=11&tradable=1&craftable=1 only 2 period at 2 key each
http://bazaar.tf/trade/913122 2 key
http://bazaar.tf/trade/755338 1.3 key @ 2 months unsold
http://bazaar.tf/trade/782492 1 key @ a month unsold
http://bazaar.tf/trade/755278 2 keys @3 months unsold
http://bazaar.tf/trade/908967 @ current price @4 days unsold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19645627 2 keys offers made but lowballed
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21345822 1.1 keys
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21126154 sold 1 @2 key selling another
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21259826 current price trade was completed not sure for what item
sorry mate but i have to say i dont think this needs a raise, your sale is the ONLY shady outlier