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Non-Craftable End of the Line Key
Submitted by TT
~1.3 keys
Unique End of the Line Key
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    i traded a bunch at 1:1 for tf2 supply crate keys and there is one for trade at less than 1 key right now (17.66 refs). Price manipulation - downvoted.

      "Price manipulation", lol.

      i don't even own any


      Also considering people are selling keys are low as 15 ref at the moment it isn't really less than a key.

        "i don't even own any" lol

        Then, why even make these pointless suggestions? Troll?

        The current price of 1:1 for TF2 Supply Crate Key is correct.

          Yeah, because everybody makes suggestions for items they only own.

          And if the 1:1 is correct how has this guy sold many above that?


            So, you're basing your price suggestion on a single seller who sold only 5 EOL keys. What about the rest (dozens) of sellers who sold at 1 key and below? Your assumption just seems wrong to me when it's the majority who decides the current price. Anyway, RIP.

              We don't have any proof that you sold them 1:1. Give up. Go home.

            That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.....

            Saying someone is trolling when they're making a suggestion? gg

              My observations and subsequent conclusion to his trolling:

              1. Doesn't own any of the items - no credibility.

              2. Based his price suggestion on 1 single seller who sold only 5 EOL keys. I've personally seen and traded dozens of EOL keys for 1 key or less recently from many different sellers.

              3. Why are we still discussing this? This thread should be closed and inexperienced people like OP need to be reminded that keys are very common and traded everyday - they are not like unusuals where you only need one seller to set the current price.


              I'll reverse the price upvote shortly (if somehow it gets accepted) as i am still regularly finding and trading for EOL keys at 1 key or less.

                Inexperienced? 1 suggestion vs 119.

                if you don't like it make another suggestion like this:

                http://backpack.tf/vote/id/55577cc8ba8d8848588b45e3

                    k den. 319 accepted? Will you believe me? 1 sold should be fine for this item. Please, you're making a fool of yourself.

                      it wasn't even 1 sold, it was over 10 from 1 seller

                        "over 10"? lol

                        Proof? His trade topic shows only 5 EOL keys.

                        I bet you've got a nice stash of EOL keys in your alt accnt awaiting the new price increase.

                        I like how this scam works :^)

                          http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198017213228?time=1435388400

                          http://puu.sh/j0e1m/e2447ea242.png


                          the guys keys on the creation of the trade, the keys show on outpost were merely placeholders and didn't represent all the keys he was selling.

                            how is that proof of your shady price suggestion? all the keys in his bp did NOT sell based on that screenshot which shows the exact same EOL keys and unchanged number of them. here's a screenshot i just took of his bp: http://i.imgur.com/mTYYtra.png

                            notice any difference? i'm hoping an unbiased and mentally unchallenged person can do a fair comparison using my screenshot and the one provided above. :)

                            OP needs to stop bullshitting people and wasting our time. I vote for a permanent ban on fake proof and price manipulation for profiteering scams.


                            P.S. The OP's alt account is most likely the same one he's using as the seller: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198017213228?time=1435388400 since the prices were updated and removed quickly for the screenshot. nice! i like the idea :^)

                  1. it does not matter

                  2.provide us proof of that you sold them for 1 key or less

                  3."inexperienced?" lol 1<119. EoTL hype is long dead these type of key are not traded offten as much a reg keys at all

                    "provide us proof of that you sold them for 1 key or less" lol

                    I don't care what you want me to do. lol. And i'm not getting paid to counter silly price suggestions. Nah, i think i'll just wait to reverse it (if it gets approved) just for the fun of it and paint a nice picture of your mindless greed.

                    Based on the "proof" in this thread, to counter, all i would need is one single seller who sold a couple of EOL keys for 1 key or less. Easy peasy. ;)

                      Wow, you've shown us NOTHING! Congratualtions!

                        Indeed, i have not, yet.


                        P.S. I'm so popular around here. I'll probably be a celebrity by the time i revert this price increase scam.

                        If it's so easy to counter, go do so. We don't get paid to make suggestions either but we do it anyway.

                          It's technically the voters' job to post legitimate counter evidence if they think something is wrong with the suggestion. I'd like to see you provide evidence that you are, apparently, "still regularly finding and trading for EOTL keys at 1 key or less." And, no, claims don't count.


                          Some words to love by: "It's easy to complain; it's difficult to prove"

                            "I'd like to see you..." Meh, i don't care what you like. RIP.

                            I will counter and revert this ridiculous one-seller proof the instant it gets approved. Have fun, boyzz ;)

                              Claim? I'm just waiting around the corner to pop up and say hi with my proof. One-seller take-down? Easiest proof ever. :)

                                Since you obviously ignored Pootis' supportive proof of a buyer at 1 key, I'm so eager to see the counter.


                                "I will counter"

                                "I'm just waiting around the corner to pop up and say hi with my proof."

                                "One-seller take-down"


                                We're waiting..*yawn

                              I can provide proof of a buyer at 1 key

                              http://imgur.com/YmPK2pm

                            - Whether or the suggester owns any doesn't matter; in fact, there's a running joke that owning one means you may actually be manipulating the price. It's obviously a joke, but you get the point (I hope).

                            - If you could actually provide proof that these having been selling for less that would be great.

                            - Normal keys are common, however no one buys these keys any more making them more rare and letting them sell for more.

                              Wait, so you say we have to own one of the item you're making a suggestion for. But, wouldn't that be manipulation?


                              About 923 319 regular Mann Co. Supply Crate Keys exist.


                              Only 1972 End of The Line Keys exist. There is less than a page on Outpost for this market. Most of the trades being invalid.

                        It would make sense to actually show a screenshot of the transaction from your trade history, so then I would know you're not making up statements. Legitimate screenshots can be used as counter proof.

                          Nice. But i knew that already. I'm strictly against this price-increase scam but apparently a LOT of you (all of you replying and downvoting my replies) think that one single seller makes up more than enough proof to set a new universal standard price for a key and this key is sold at the exact same price as a normal supply crate key (no crafting, timed drop or intricate skills needed) and this key has also been selling easily for one key or less every few days. On top of that, i believe you bunch are just happy to blindly upvote any price increase whatsoever just to get more value from your inventory. I will set this right, at least for this key (i can't be bothered hunting down scammers all over this site). To be continued... after this suggestion gets approved (looks like it's inevitable now with the greedy flock rallying up). ;)

                            ''i traded a bunch at 1:1 for tf2 supply crate keys and there is one for trade at less than 1 key right now (17.66 refs). Price manipulation - down voted.'' As said, please show a screenshot of this transaction occurring as well as the trade / links of the actual occurrence of ''this key has also been selling easily for one key or less every few days.''

                              I don't know what the fuck is wrong with you, really.

                                You'll get a chance on some other item. Go back to sleep.

                                Providing sales from different sellers was a rule before but since it's getting harder to find sales, moderators had to take it down. For a suggestion to get accepted, moderators will have to glance the market first to ensure that the price of the item gets priced correctly.


                                If you have any additional proof to show, then please provide it. With the market being so small, we can't really see how the entire market is. Only words could not be used to counter any suggestions. Your words can only be considered as spam, and that's why you got so many downvotes.

                                  Most people seem to have missed a crucial nugget of information... The OP is a bp.tf achievement hunter (like you?). He's currently at 119 accepted suggestions. He most likely spends all his time surfing tf2outpost for completed trades and then posts them here if the suggested price is different, regardless of the ongoing price or quantity of the item being sold by the majority of traders. I really do not appreciate price manipulators and worst of all, achievement hunters exploiting the system on bp.tf to unjustly inflate prices.

                                    I'm a bp.tf achievement hunter? Yeah, maybe so, but let's not change the topic here.


                                    Now, is OP one of the guys who own one of these keys? I don't think so.

                                    For OP not owning any keys, unless he's manipulating this item for another purpose, I don't see that he's manipulating at all. All he wants is to improve this website, to make the prices on backpack.tf more accurate. To be honest, I see all of the websites who tries to price items to be manipulators sites, but backpack.tf is the one that is most accurate that I can accept. It might still be a manipulator site, but prices are quite accurate and some of the suggestion are always towards the votes of the community.


                                    Of course, I do not appreciate price manipulators as well, but if he has evidence to support his words, then I can't do anything with it because he has the evidence that I don't have. So, as I've said, if you have any additional proof to show, then please provide it. With the market being so small, we can't really see how the entire market is. Only words could not be used to counter any suggestions. Your words can only be considered as spam, and that's why you got so many downvotes.

                                      TLDR-


                                      OP is cool


                                      :^)

                                              lol. i learned so much from this thread AKA price boosting tactics from OP, i don't even care about this thread anymore. i can basically use the same strategy as the OP to boost the price of any item that i want using alt accounts. Cheers! Peace out.

                                                rip

                                                  Thanks again! I appreciate your replies which gave me some valuable insights into this site's loopholes and the fragile tf2 economy. I'll dig some more into your posts and suggestions to flesh out the entirety of your schemes, and maybe even improve on them! Wish me luck as i try to get my stats up. Let the rape of the honest fools begin! Have fun!

                                                    kek

                                                      What items (other than EOL keys) would you recommend to stock up before boosting the price for surplus profit? Can i PM you? Actually, i'll just check your bp and your alt's inventory. i'll try to target different items from your stockpile so we don't compete for profit. top kek,mate! haha


                                                      Edit: One more question, how many alt accnts do you recommend? I don't want to make it easy to trace back to one account. You seem to have all the basics nailed down. Thanks for any advice. Feel free to PM me.

                                                        I do not own the LSD account.

                                                          Sure, sure. ;) Relax, just PM me. I can offer you a few keys in my bp for some extra advice. Thanks, bro.

                                  Uhmmm, when was this, any proof?

                                Seems good upvote :3

                                  isn't this just a key that is used half the time of a normal one, it seems that you are paying extra for a key that is more obsolete than a mann co. crate key

                                    That's a good point, but some people around here (most of those who replied above) just want more value for their inventory. If someone finds one single seller at 20 keys for 1 EOL key, they will probably vote for him as the next president. For now, just enjoy the thread. I will fix it very soon. :D

                                      If the items sells for what it is, then its worth that.

                                      You do not provide proof good enough to prove your counters.

                                        lol, great point

                                      i come into a price suggestion with 45 comments, expecting discussion, and a difficult choice on whether i should upvote or downvote


                                      i am given this

                                        If you search through the spam and shit, you can actually find a couple extra bits of supportive proof here and there.. I think Pootis Bird provided a Buyer at 1 key somewhere.

                                        Buyers at 1k

                                        [url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26378614[/url] quite successfully, I might add

                                        [url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26457472[/url]

                                        +1 in classies


                                        I was going to counter at 1-1.1k, but this does it for me. Upvote.

                                          how 2 be hated


                                          >be dragonborn

                                            do we need this?

                                            Dragonborn's comment score: -52


                                            Dan Castellaneta: *heavy breathing*

                                              I feel like after causing all that arguing there'd be a little more than a single warning in there..

                                              Yep, those in the "know" about exploiting the bp.tf voting system don't want my comments to be visible. Feel free to unhide them if you want to make some quick and easy profit by boosting item prices before selling.

                                              Just because i got nothing else to do (i still much appreciate the bp.tf exploits explained by OP though).


                                              Sold at 14 refs


                                              http://i.imgur.com/NsQVfJZ.png


                                              bp on creation of trade:


                                              http://i.imgur.com/cy3vyYe.png


                                              Buyer at 14 refs:


                                              http://i.imgur.com/AYVJXqC.png

                                                Bought in less than 24 hours by.. oh hey, you.

                                                Quick Sale, but nice grab.

                                                  Wow. So much denial. Somehow, i just keep buying at 1 key or less. lol

                                                  Quicksale + buyer at 14 ref. If that's anything then it's supporting proof.

                                                    What would be supporting proof, then? I have traded for a stash of EOL keys. Now, awaiting the price increase like all of you (PoshToffee AKA LSD might be afraid of some competition). Seriously, easiest profit ever!

                                                  Whoa, you wanna set price higher of 1 ref? What a deal.

                                                    do you have anything useful to say?

                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26522601 - this will need a range