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First of all i would say, that there's almost no sellers on bp.tf alone selling a single key for 15.33 ref, which is the voted price.

This is my second suggestion and i will try my best to get as much proof as possible, thx for your time/vote.


Sellers for 15.33 ref:

http://backpack.tf/u/76561198107877031

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25066325

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25063728


Sellers for 15.44 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24471332 - Keys sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24991683 - Buying keys for 15.33 ref ea

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25068502

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24885801 - Keys sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25064499 - Buying keys for 15.33 ref ea - 5 Bookmarks

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25032981 - 1 Bookmark


Sellers for 15.55 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24393956 - Buying keys for 15.44 ref ea

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24743972 - Selling keys for 15.55-15.77 ref ea (depends)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23470267

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24961209 - Buying keys for 15.33 ref ea

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25062256

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25026364 - Sold keys and buying keys for 15.33 ref ea

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25050328 - 1 Bookmark


Sellers for 15.66 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25069514

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24773054 - Keys sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25034587

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22109409 - Buying keys for 15.44 ref ea

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25052754 - Buying keys for 15.33 ref ea

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25066033 - Buying keys for 15.33 ref ea

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24968343

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24742903 - Buying keys for 15.33 ref ea

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25035604

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24998141 - A buyer writed he added him

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25015643

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24969553 - Sold em so he isn't buying atm

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25059101

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24993570

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24863322 - Buying keys for 15.33 ref ea

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25008485 - 1 Bookmark and keys sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25048429 - Say price is firm, but keys are 15.33 voted ??

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25063808

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24982530

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24302078 - Buying keys for 15.44 ref ea

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22374841 - Keys sold with 2 bookmarks and also buying keys for 15.33 ref ea

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24999919


Sellers for 15.77 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24305218 - Keys sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23389432 - Buying keys for 15.44 ref ea

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24255488 - Buying keys for 15.55 ref ea

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24960460 - Buying keys for 15.55 ref ea

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25065177

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24951960 - Buying keys for 15.55 ref ea

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25067687 - Buying keys for 15.55 ref ea

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24864855 - Buying keys for 15.55 ref ea

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21521961 - Buying keys for 15.55 ref ea

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24451927 - Buying keys for 15.44 ref ea

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23987074

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24880879 - 1 Bookmark

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25066163

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24195763 - 10 Bookmarks

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24937091 - Buying keys for 15.55 ref ea

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25062018

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24897721 - Buying keys for 15.44 ref ea

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25063363


Sellers for 15.88 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24423454 - Buying keys for 15.66 ref ea

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24963530 - Buying keys for 15.66 ref ea

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24892001

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24862161 - Buying keys for 15.44 ref ea

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23954284 - Buying keys for 15.55 ref ea

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24967973 - Buying keys for 15.77 ref ea

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25003724

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24805077 - Buying keys for 15.66 ref ea

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23792088

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25067457

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24800175

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24923883 - Buying keys for 15.44 ref ea

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25024524

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24912551


Sellers for 16 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25040654

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24990592

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25030542

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24951800

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25069008

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22972288

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25059731

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23802959 - Buying keys for 15.44 ref ea

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25067831

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24973704

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25068956

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22728519

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25069315

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24916904 - Buying keys for 15.33 ref ea

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24693233

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25003629

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25068026

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24969947

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24823733

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25021075

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25005618

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25014557

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25019902

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25040923

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25064402

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24114577 - Have 5 bookmarks

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24693312

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22556176 - 6 Bookmarks

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24958261

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23292271

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23686683

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25062264

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25053091

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25065769

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24603024

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24620024

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25063495

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25055275

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24983502

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25062237

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24449312 - 4 Bookmarks


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Buyers for 15.44 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23566372 - 48 bookmarks

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25061935

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24892026

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24862161

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25064299

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24473725 - 4 Bookmarks


Buyers for 15.55 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24951960 - 25 bookmarks

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23798941 - 353 bookmarks


Buyers for 15.66 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25063669 - 1 bookmark

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24553195 - 10 bookmarks

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24969713 - 1 bookmark

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23988919 - 265 bookmarks


Buyers for 16 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25052355

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25041422

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25057194


Yesterday, yes, just yesterday i had 1 key, which i had on the market on bp.tf and i got a tradeoffer for 16 ref!!!


http://imgur.com/FH6gDF9

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Sellers for 16.22 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25000952


Sellers for 16.33 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25023982

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24909996

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24700013

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23989830

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24956445

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25019935

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24694856


Massive 17 ref sellers:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25063837

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25067808

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24396451

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24716928 - 2 Bookmarks

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24985287

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23113050 - 2 Bookmarks


This dude decided to sell a key for 25 ref, because he say, that keys will raise and there's people, who say, that he understand the mean of the key price, check it out:


http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24955724


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As you can see, many of the keys from the sellers are also buying the keys again for more then the voted 15.33 ref price. And as my picture proved, then there are sellers, who also buy keys up to 16 refined, but i already sold the key so he bought it from an other trader!


Anyways. The suggested price is also overpaid by some sellers on the market, as you can see they go up to 17 and 18 refined for each key, which is long trip from the current value of 1 key.


OBS: These prices are just the half of the OP site and there are many more sellers and buyers, but if you think i need more proof, let me know, thx and plz hold a good tone!

    Cooldown is still in effect.

        It clearly says posted 3 days ago.

          Cooldown is DEFINITELY still in effect. Check the backpack.tf forums.

            What exactly IS cooldown? I've honestly only heard that used a couple times before.

              I believe the cool down is what bp.tf put in place to "slow down" keys and buds rising and dropping rapidly, so the prices more represent the economy's overall trend.


              Basically, bp.tf is trying to make it so they don't manipulate the prices.

      A-Cooldown

      B-Don't Use sellers to raise a price

        agreed. Don't use sellers to raise a price. Just because they are selling, doesn't mean that people are buying. Plus, there are still a lot of sellers in bp.tf willing to sell for 15.33. Use the watch list feature and it will show you. You might not be able to see the 15.33 ones just because they sell very quickly and the listing is immediately removed

            If its being sold quickly that means it is a quicksell. Also there are many buyers at 15.66 (http://www.trade.tf/mybots/buyers/Mann%20Co.%20Supply%20Crate%20Key) which is the main reason people buy 15.33 ref keys (people that wanna make dat 1 rec profit!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

              every price on keys is a quicksell try 15.66 they sell as fast as 15.33 doesn;t really matter to those that want to buy a key if they pay 1 rec more or less.

              well, and isnt that 15.33 quickselling which means it shouldnt be valid in price voting? like i can sell every hour a key for 2 refs, but its not reason to add it in range. but i agree, sellers dont matter, solds do. but i know people are buying it for 16 refs (already sold few myself).

                It isn't a quicksell at 15.33, but people think its quicksell? Do the price don't need to change then? It's the normal price, but people are very quick when 15.33 ref sellers are released on the market, because almost any1 is seller for above the 15.33 refs. Anyways, i take it into my range, because you still can find sellers for both 15.33 ref and 16 ref and in the middlerange, so it's not a unvalid range. Anyways, you cant compare 2 ref with the 15.33 ref which is also the price right now, of cource all would buy for 2 ref, that was years ago, that price was on keys, you better give an other example or just keep it on mind. Maybe you have a message, but yeah, you can still find sellers range on 15.33 ref, so that is probably why i think it's a good range as well :O


                It could be nice if you would post the proof of your sales for 16 ref here, thx!

              Only sellers? You better look at the post twice :))

                The 'look' of the range doesn't matter.

                  People are willing to pay the increased though, so the price rises.

                  The 15.33 sellers on OP had adds in about 2 hours of the posting, suggesting 15.33 might be a quicksell.

                  You also have buyers at a higher price, and in conjunction with the point above, imo 15.33 shouldn't be included in the range.

                  I've been buying keys at 15 refined a few times a day for the last few days. And these examples are just for NORMAL mannco keys. I've got a handful more of other TF2 keys (eotl, community, robo, and so on) I've bought for 15 refined in the last few days.


                  Examples:

                  http://i.imgur.com/wr3NLCu.png?1

                  http://i.imgur.com/R1mVBpx.png?1

                  http://i.imgur.com/V6OtTc2.png?1

                  http://i.imgur.com/29onOxY.png?1


                  It's too soon for a price bump. Buyers and sellers are just advertisements, actual trades are more valuable info.

                    Actual trades? Well. Some1 here is not good at reading or clicking up the post, before blaming me. Disagree. Too little evidence as well!

                  keys clearly going up, meanwhile someone desperately claiming keys are crashing on classifieds :/

                  isn't cooldown in effect?

                    Yep,still some more hours to go.

                        Updated. Look at my proof in the middle post and on the bottom, thank you!

                            only 3 buyers at 16 ref?

                              Updated. Look at the middle post from me and on the buttom as well. Thx.

                            Well. People is accusing me for using "sellers" to make it look like there's much proof to change price? Well. That's not why i do it!


                            Basically, the amount of sellers with a price from 15.66 and up to 16 ref is many more then the sellers for 15.33 ref, because people know that they can get that valued ref for prices to 16 ref, bc people know it's being more worth later. Also you say, that bookmarks isn't usable, well, on some of the sellers pages, also on the 16 ref sellers, you can see, that they ONLY sell keys and people bookmark to show that they might buy it later or think about it and don't blame me for that, cause it's new and updated prices and dates on the posts of the sellers!


                            Anyways. Here is some more buyers.


                            15.55:

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25066750

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25053933

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24696862

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23954284

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25079987


                            15.66:

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25078089

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25042878

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25081721

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25080561

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25071435

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25075824

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25079785


                            15.77:

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24805077

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24969713


                            16:

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24877872

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25081825


                            19 ref buyer? Yeah, look at this! (if you take for each key)


                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25079124


                            Well. I still not checked the hole OP site and this was just some i found on the site. If you need more proff, let me know, cause there's more buyers out there!


                            I want to let you know 1 thing. My range is 15.33-16 ref, actually because i know, that there is maybe many sellers for 15.33 ref, but more for 16 ref and that make it look like the range will be going up. Also i want to show with the sellers, that there is more sellers near the 16 ref range than the 15.33 ref range and the buyers follow this point as well. Therefore i think it's still a fair range, because you can find sellers for both 15.33 and 16 ref and people in the middlerange. Up here is some more buyers, comment below what you think and why? More proof? Give a call! Thx and keep the good tone in your opinion!

                                You are right in the point, that some (not all?) are old and also months on some, but they are bumped and updated with stuff actually also from today. But in i totally disagree, that bookmarks don't work, why would you bookmark a trade if you don't find it interesting?

                                  Also you can go to some of the pages with bookmarks noted and you will see, that there's some more bookmarks on some of the posts.

                                      That is correct man! Anyways. I have checked some of the sellers earlier after i posted this suggestion and there have come more bookmarks on both kind of sellers posts, who want to gain profit or just sell keys as well. If they are updated, as i checked, then they are good for proof as well. #ThumbsUp

                                    Basically i updated some of those. The 19 ref for each key buyer is now bought to this dude, so there've been sold keys for 19 ref each as well (5 piece). Updated info. Also some of the others have solds as well!

                                                + how many classifieds above 15.33

                                                            current price is 15-15.33

                                                            which was suggested from 15-15.22

                                                            there was 0.06 change in price


                                                                -Unless the price has been stable for 7+ days and only a small change is needed.


                                                                you aren't right

                                                                accepted 4 days ago

                                                                accepted 12 days ago

                                                                8 days for a 0.06 change which fits the rules. stop this conspiracy stuff

                                                                  You're wrong.

                                                                  http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/2620-key-cooldown-guidelines-read-before-making-key-suggestions/


                                                                  In these ways:

                                                                  1. It's been 3 days and it's nearly passed the 7 day mark.
                                                                  2. Even if it hasn't passed 7 days the price is changing by more than 0.33.

                                                            You should really go and read my text in the middle, explaining why i use sellers on my post, before blaming me for the proof. @stefanos13

                                                              Don't worry about him, he spams every key suggestion.

                                                                  Basically, just tell something irrelevant for this suggestion, spam discuss and other things don't care here, this isn't a forum guys!! Anyways. I hope you understand. Stop taking this discuss in longer range, thx!

                                                            Look at http://trade.tf/

                                                            buyers for 15.66 ref

                                                                Updated. Went to 15.77 ref. Increases.

                                                                      "Please do not spam"


                                                                      >Posted more then 1 comment on this entire post until now.


                                                                      As for keys, that's just an opinion. I dunno why you have to go out of your way to somehow prove I'm wrong or something, jeez. The trading economy might not be dying but **** it sure affects me who purchases from the store right?

                                                                    I need some proof on the 15.88 ref buyers, so here is some buyers.


                                                                    15.88:

                                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25106489

                                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25086758


                                                                    16:

                                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19515838 - Very old post, but still updated and re-bumped.

                                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20240563 - Same.

                                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25086193 - Just 1 day ago posted

                                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24992955

                                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20635299

                                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25101633 - 17 hours ago posted

                                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24999528

                                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25098879

                                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25016791

                                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25040655 - Overpay by 0.4 ref acording to 16 ref (Paying 16.4 ref in items)

                                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25052355

                                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25024231

                                                                    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25018438


                                                                    There is some more and updated + pretty new posts on some. That is some more proof here to make it final. I guess i have enough proof yet, but if you think i need more i can go and find more buyers. Btw these are only buyers!! Anyways. Note that i need more proof if you feel that i need that. Thx.

                                                                        First of all, you better read the hole suggestion, very carefully. I know, that solds is the point of it, but when i have so many buyers for over 15.33 ref and a few on the 15.33 ref, then it is pretty much a good evidence, since i have lots of proof. Well. Anyways, the buyers follows the sellers and with the sellers i prove, that they keep increasing and people will follow those prices to get a chance to buy keys. Anyways, do you really want me to put some solds on here? Thx.

                                                                          Btw, you won't see suggestions on the latest key suggestions with only solds, some of mine is sold as well, but they do the buy/sell-thing as just a single seller, so when they get ref, they buy keys and the post wouldn't be closed, so yeah, i also have solds buyers/sellers here. Checked that of cource!! The proof is still not enough?

                                                                          The purpose of pricing is not to be convenient for everyone. It's based on what people will buy and sell. As the game gets older, there is more ref, making it worth less. To counter this inflation, keys cost more ref.

                                                                            U got my words there Numinex, thank you anyways!

                                                                              You're forgetting to average out the amount of ref with players. More players and more ref makes it stable.

                                                                                Ref is created hundreds of times more than players join. And Currency doesnt have to be distributed equally amongst all players.

                                                                                The number of players is fairly irrelevant.

                                                                                More ref -> Key price goes up. Thats all.

                                                                                First of all you better write in normal language, so any person around here can understand you mean of the opinion. Second, then the keys are based on the buyers and sellers as well, so basically all the comments for people "crying" because it's too high, then thank the buyers and sellers, because they choose the price and we make the price official, so you have something to head for, so all price ranges for all buyers and sellers are the same. Btw, some of your text is irrelevant info for this suggestion, thx!

                                                                                  Well. I know what kind of business you're out to be in. Well. Can you explain to me, why would we have a key price of 15.33 ref, when sellers AND buyers both have a range for even more than 15.33 ref and up to 16 ref? Then 15.33 ref would be a totally wrong price. Anyways, the buyers and sellers as well rate the price by sales and buys and people make it happen to a official range.

                                                                                    If you go get some proof to stop the rise, go ahead.

                                                                                    Currently your words be nothing.

                                                                                      You can SAY that it should be lowered but it's all about demand. The key prices are getting higher because the ref prices are getting lower (due to the amount of ref everyone has). Not also that, but people will always overpay a little and therefore more people will get on top of that idea and cause a change reaction until it is now it's official price. But hey, it's all about finding evidence. Where not trying to hurt the economy, where just showing what it is by its state of form.

                                                                                      This price is already outdated.

                                                                                        Easy upvote bot are buying at 15.66 Easily.

                                                                                              He can't find sellers at under 15.33 because they are all sold out or sell the second they are posted because someone wants to buy it. That is why the price of keys to ref is raising, there is a demand for keys resulting in less low selling keys. If you went out and tried to buy a key for 15 ref I'd say it would take you a good 24 hours of non stop trading, and that's only if you get lucky. So this suggestion accurately represents the market for keys at the moment

                                                                                                Cooldown is still in effect +1

                                                                                                15.33 ref key, please go for a try to buy. you will never fast enough to get one.

                                                                                                  It's been longer than 7 days, cooldown isn't in effect.

                                                                                                        As one of those 16 ref sellers when backpack listed 15.33, I've been getting buyers slowly, but surely, picking up more recently with how keys are at the top end in the steam community market as well


                                                                                                        To say that no one can change the price for a week after a change is pretty foolish, markets can change a lot faster than that

                                                                                                          I really would like to try to make a "constructive" comment, but I can't, I'm too stupid.

                                                                                                          Also the rise of the key prices is seen as a bad thing just because buyers will have to pay more, implying the fact to get more weapons to craft some metal...