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Genuine Horace
Submitted by Baddy
~6.7 keys
Genuine Horace
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http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22807414 - sold for black B.M.O.C ~ 13 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22798013 - sold for 14 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22842323 - sold for 14.5 keys (14 because paint)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22710067 - offered 14 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22855708 - quicksold for 12 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22764538 - sold for 13 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22846405 - bought for 15, sold for 14

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22731967 - was offered 14 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22844212 - quicksold for 12

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22811426 - sold for gifted planets trilby

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22780106 - sold for smoking sultan (14 * 0.9) ~ 13 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22837641 - sold for 13 keys (was offered black B.M.O.C (13 keys) + 3 keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22803047 - quicksold for 13

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22810990 - sold for bubbling SnS (15 * 0.9) ~ 14

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22740368 - sold for too much (had buyout of 15)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22802095 - sold for 14


will be adding more sales

    Upvote, sold mine some days ago for a bud :)

      You sold yours for a bud yet you're supporting a 13 to 14 key range? What?

        - I just wanted to say it needs an raise.

          *a raise

      I bought my Horace for 15 keys then sold it for 14 keys then bought a team spirit 1 for 14 keys. Your proves are right :D

        Hi, i guess it will go up couse of small amount of hats and ppl want for it. I bought mine for about http://oi60.tinypic.com/jiorop.jpg 15 keys.

        1 of those sales work, the black bmoc, but paints are normally not considered as part of the sale, so that'd be 12 keys there

        The pink horace hasn't been sold yet, the guy just said he's waiting (he still owns it)

        one was offered 14 keys, but still hasnt sold yet

        your quicksell of 12 keys is in tune with the black bmoc trade.

        I'd just resuggest price and find more 12 key proof cause in the proof you provided thats the most legitimate price

        edit: I don't see the pink one in his bp, but since paying more for paint, overpay should be considered. 12-14 looks sounds like a better range, just imo

          to be honest, 14 flat would be better. and the pink did sell.

            Not really, there are constant 13 key sellers on Outpost. This range perfectly fits the market. :P

              sellers, not solds

                sellers are fine

                however, there have been many 14 key offers

              "but paints are normally not considered as part of the sale"

              They do, but the price is halved

              Note: Its harder to make a higher price for something if you already own it...still, this seems legit...

                like i care if my bp raises by 2 keys

                  Thats not really the point, alot of people try raising prices when they own them just to make profit, still, this is good proof so (For once) its a pure Price Suggestion (Aka your just doing it because its the truth on it)

                    He has over a 150 accepted suggestions why are you pointing is out? It's clear that he knows more about it than you and he's some guy like 2+2 = ???

                      i have 300+

                        I'm still correct

                          yeah, you are. lol

                Bunch of sellers at 13:

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22791490 up for 3 days

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22841580 up for a day, selling multiple

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22855557 up for 4 hours, has pink paint

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22797864 up for 3 days

                  yes. this supports my range

                    In some ways, it doesn't, it means that even at lower range of your price aren't selling after days of being posted, going neutral.

                      however, I've proved that 14 still sells.

                        check my OP i was offered a good bit of items worth 12 to 1.2 buds if u need more proof #HORACE4MAX :D

                    1st link- sold

                    2nd link- 2/3 sold

                    3rd link- unsold hasn't bumped for 8 hours

                    4th link- unsold hasn't bumped for 14 hours

                    Check their backpacks first

                      3rd has sold and I never said 4th sold.

                        This was a reply to Detroit Velvet Smooth

                        I was more or less trying to prove that there were plenty of 13 key sellers who had their hat up there for a decent amount of time and unsold

                      I can say yes to this range-

                      Heres some proof for when the hype started.

                      http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22740550

                      And heres where i spent my aussie flamethrower.... http://bazaar.tf/trade/1025410

                        I have been offered 14 keys as well as many other stuff that doesn't fit the low end range of the current price (http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22791192) agree with the suggestion.

                          Two Horaces I Sold, Smoking Granadier's Softcap ( 1bud ish )

                          Terror- Watt Led Lid ( 1.5 ish )

                          Deservers Higher Price tbh

                          http://gyazo.com/2ee74d4fd709d2cc603f11659d95161c

                          http://gyazo.com/2e5c0f5d8f6c02238f1ed2ad5a11987e

                            I got the LED offered on my Horace too, he hid it though, I now know why now :P

                            As for the price, the price suggested is pretty decent atm since classifieds still has sellers at 13

                              Yeah I seen him post on you so i added him as i noticed he still had the LED Sorry for that btw

                                Lol, np. I love my Horace so much <3

                            I like how mine sold for too much (it totally did i still don't know what that guy was thinking)


                            I agree with this suggestion (though 13 keys still does sell really fast)

                              its only £14 on the market.... why

                                I still don't know either

                                  Not really that odd. Bill's are technically still 5 keys at its lowest atm and they sell for 10 bucks on the market (i'm guessin thats around 7.8 euro) a.k.a 4 keys, the market isn't a good tell as to what prices should be

                                    Actually, selling a Bill's on the market for $10 is equivalent to 5 keys. Since you can sell a key each on the SCM and get ~$2.10 out of it.

                                      Selling a Bill's for $10 on the SCM will give the seller $8.50. (Valve and TF2 fees deduct 15% from the sale price.)


                                      Unless the key market had a downturn, it'd be even less than a 4-key sale for the seller, unless keys were available on the market at or below $2.13. :P

                                        It doesn't matter what the person gets from the trade, it's how much a person has to pay to get it.


                                        10$ is about 5 keys sold on SCM. That's what it equals to. Otherwise we might as well call Bills 3 keys 3.66 ref on SCM (If you were to count if as the $8.50 the seller gets).

                                          It does matter. When you say "...selling a Bill's on the market for $10 is equivalent to 5 keys," it's not correct. A $10.00 Bill's Hat on the SCM is close to a 5-key purchase, not a 5-key sale. Unless the common SCM price is well-ahead of the trading market, with the 15% fee, items sold on the SCM are at a loss for the seller, which skews the perception of it being a sale.

                                            It's still the purchase price that matters. Not the sale.


                                            And generally, people have items on the SCM if they would still make profit by selling it there compared to what they paid for it.

                                  I forgot to add this, bit old but is sold this for 14 keys

                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22734238#latest

                                    http://gyazo.com/2f73b0b1b05dcc1e2d6bb661d53d66ef

                                    I sold mine for ~ 18 keys ( outlier I know but it can still go for way above 14 keys)

                                      Horace can be the new B.M.O.C/Voodoo Juju

                                      has one price manipulation good proof, upvote

                                        bought mine for 14 http://i.imgur.com/pttYQkb.png

                                          [url]http://i.imgur.com/JzADop0.jpg[/url]

                                          Sold mine for an Australium Frontier Justice and a pan(because the pan matters so much).

                                          You got an upvote in me~🎵

                                            To be honest, Baddy, my natural position on your suggestions it that you're manipulating, and for that I'm sorry, because it doesn't seem to be the case. You just own one of everything lol.


                                            Upvote from me.

                                              I own a lot of stuff.

                                              this price is 8 dollars more then what it costs to buy e.e

                                                don't worry it won't be expensive for long.

                                                Why would it go up? You can get it extremely easy and besides, Hype will go down.

                                                I bought my horace for a bud worth on unusual. So im happy to see the price go up.

                                                  Here's the offers I've collected on mine.

                                                  http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22887063

                                                    sold mine for strange teddy rosbelt and B.M.O.C ( 16 keys in items ) : http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22919462#latest

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                                                      Just donate $20 and get one........

                                                        you have to pay with real money, so its easier to people that already has keys to pay a little more in keys instead of spending 20 extra bucks.

                                                          Yeah....I forgot that F2P population..........


                                                          Makes sense...Using market prices on keys the outflow to get the pixels is about a key short from paying a 100% of the $20 donation.


                                                          $20 in real cash > $37.50 in market price keys

                                                            Keys not being sold on the regular market or store are around $1.8-$1.9. So 14 keys is at most $26.60, and whether or not that's a bad deal is up to the person, if you just want the hat and don't do the whole real money thing. I mean if you're not holding a job or you're a young kid who doesn't want to ask their mommy or daddy for their credit card, you pay for what other sellers are asking for on the market if you want the Horace "now".

                                                        It does look pretty awesome too. That counts for a bit

                                                          I sold mine for 14keys pure and a key in sweets.

                                                            Counter proof I guess...

                                                            (11 keys + gift wrap[1 key]) --> http://i.imgur.com/avEFnWE.jpg (total 12 keys)

                                                            He wasn't quickselling it, got it within a day of trying.

                                                              outlier then.

                                                              you do realise you can get horace for 20bucks by subscribing to this gaming thing? Horace isn't rare at all and tbh it should be a key or so,it's no different to hats like the genuine killer exclusive .