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Hey Guys.
Old Price 5 ref. New Price 1 key
Solds:
Some my trades and solds:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19228196#latest Sold 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19222161#latest Sold both 1 key each
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19211783#latest Sold 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19176879#latest Sold 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19174557#latest Sold 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19153178#latest Sold purple Law one 1 key and 2 ref, normal one 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19146420#latest Sold 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19128192#latest Sold 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19073609#latest sold gold Law 1 key
Sellers:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19136654 7 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19218523 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19236624 pink Law 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18903756 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19232697 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19236465 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19201431 Wants a team Spirit Paint
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19228776 Selling for offers. One guy offered 7 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18402663 6.33 ref (sold)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19164044 1 key
Classifieds: http://backpack.tf/stats/Unique/Law/Tradable/Craftable Very there and only one for 5 ref as of right now.
A few Screenshots:
http://puu.sh/8agzQ.png
http://puu.sh/8agBu.png
http://puu.sh/8agCJ.png
http://puu.sh/8agE5.png
Conclusion:
So I noticed it has been really easy to sale the Law for 1 key and as you can see in the proof there, some people where saying added with 1 key. Also I noticed Laws at 5 ref where insta selling as well.
Feel free to post more proof in the comments if you have any.
Cheers
You don't need sellers to raise a price.
I know, I just wanted to show that it's not many listed at 5 ref.
This hat should get a bump though as many people seem to be willing to pay the 1 key price.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19220399 1 key SOLD
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19201431 looks like one SOLD for TS paint
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19178358 offer of 7.44
Sold the Level 41 Law at 7.44 ref
http://puu.sh/8bB6F.jpg
http://puu.sh/8bBlj.png
http://puu.sh/8bB1g.png
SOLD a Law for 1 key this evening http://imgur.com/ryGCmNl
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19248723 it helps one sold for 7 refined
1 Key != 7 ref. 1 Key = 7.44. But it's certainly higher and closer to 1 key than 5 ref.
I know. I meant to say "if it helps"
After I saw this suggestion I thought the same of a lot of people (new hat raising price?) and since I had 1 I put it for sale at 1 key on bp.tf and sold it in 1 day http://prntscr.com/3athtp
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19348598 1 key sold
The histories say your the current owner on some of them.
I own some special level ones that I have listed for sale at a slightly higher price than 1 key.
Which don't help your suggestion. Neither do painted items.
I did not list my special level law trade in the suggestion.
you did list painted http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19153178#latest
And next to it is an unpainted one for 1 key :)
history is unreliable, some have left the suggester's inventory, but I took note of some in a comment further down that are being lied about
Why are you so hot on accusing me of lying? And I said special level law... omg.
*following the mob* :D (sorry though) and I know you were talking about special laws :? just wanted to point out that the painted trade I commented on does nothing for you
Wait, new items rising?
The Law is the new Bill's, except it's cheaper.
And also not a promo :/
Except it's closer to the Team Captain, but newer and all-class.
Except it isn't "Bill's hat"
It's more of a policeman's hat.
I imagine the new series of chemistry sets had something to do with this. It's also a fairly nice-looking hat (goes well with the Macho Mann).
Classifieds has 4 people selling their Laws for around 1 key if this helps: http://prntscr.com/3apq3p
Also, sellers can be valid proof in some situations. If there are no sellers at all at a price and instead everyone is selling for significantly more or less, then that does show a change in price. Unless you just sell everything for twice of its value anyways, like Puddington.
I did not say I was against this rise, I just found it unusual for such a relatively new item.
Probably because they are not craftable yet and the only availability is to unbox Shitboxes :) Very nice strategy to fund item creators if I say myself, but yeah, this'll drop when it becomes craftable
It's not unheard of. Blood Banker went up about half a key before it dropped to current price.
Dude, the stockbroker's scarf went up 1.66 after the chem sets debuted. And it's still stuck to that ceiling like it was stuck with super glue. Yet it's a shit hat.
every single 1 key sold is you, 1 person doesnt determine the market, theres more proof out there that i think you bought for under a key and are selling for 1 key.
Neutral for now because im pretty sure 1 person can not be all of the proof for a common item
Only made the suggestion due to so many people willing to buy for 1 key.
Nice try.
It's funny because when you click on the history of the laws you "sold," most of them aren't sold. To be exact, 13/15 of them are STILL owned by you. Also, with just one person trying to sell 15 different laws for 1 key each, and only selling 2 legit, it would be fair to say that this does not represent the whole market. Many people are selling it for much less.
>Please don't lie about your solds, it is unethical and does not make prices change.
>Sellers isn't a fair way to increase the price, as selling =/= sold. This is basically saying you can post your buyout at ridiculous prices and believe it should be changed because only one person is selling it.
Conclusion:
"Only made the suggestion due to so many people willing to buy for 1 key." This is obviously not true because "so many people" doesn't mean 2 people, and seeing how you were lying about the solds, you might have only sold them for 5 ref or so, but not trying to be too accusing.
Definitely a downvote, sorry.
Lol? You are saying I lied? I'd have to disagree. I don't have the gold law and I don't have the pink law...
Also I would not lie on a serious site with prices that effect everyone.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19228196#latest you still own this one, I can see it in your backpack (ID's matched)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19222161#latest you didn't sell both, the 2nd is the same as the one in the above link ^
I did not mean to count the unsold Level 41 law. Listing 2 of the same item was a mistake.
And that is literally the only one that was unsold besides your level 42 one (which is a unique level so it wouldn't matter anyway).
So the 13/15 isn't accurate while the solds seem to prove the accuracy of this. I think I might upvote this now.
Thank you :)
careful, item history is unreliable. have to bp people to make sure
There are only 2 laws in his backpack when if you check his solds, almost all of them aren't in his backpack.
Here are some things I'll point out that you missed Shadow. I'm guessing you didn't see the 4 screenshots of the trade history for 1 key. ELI is not the only person who has had success selling for around 1 key, just look at the 3 links posted. If you would have checked his back you would have seen that the only Laws ELI has left is the level 42 law and the level 41 Law. Also you only had 1 correct vote last month and none this month which tells me..........
Please don't accuse somebody of lying when you haven't even check their backpack......
just pointing out, shadow posted his comment before the suggester posted screenshots
Actually I put the screenshots in the suggestion when I made it. They have been here the whole time. Or do you mean where I said something about 7.44?
was referring to your comments :p mainly this
Sold the Level 41 Law at 7.44 ref
http://puu.sh/8bB6F.jpg
http://puu.sh/8bBlj.png
http://puu.sh/8bB1g.png
Just got 7 refined pure for my law:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19238073#latest
(I got a friend invite while I was trading the guy with the item offer for the pure metal)
Thank you. This what this suggestion is trying to show. Laws are easily selling for more than 5 ref.
Not to mention this only took a little over 2 hours with 2 people paying full price for it.
I decided to take a look on trade.tf as well.
I don't have any trades to show for it but I found numerous sellers for 7 refined or a key that were on backpack classifieds and no longer have the items in their backpacks. I don't really have a way to show them though :\
I also saw a LOT of people who had been selling for around 5 refined on Outpost and had offers on them almost immediately. There are also multiple buyers for 5 refined on Outpost as well as one for 5.33 showing that this price can be considered a fairly quick sell.
It's just that the timing of this suggestion makes it hard to prove the new price.
Yes, I was browsing through some Law trades on outpost and I saw a few people trying ti bid higher than the last. Some where going pretty high too. I think this hype may be due to the strange chem sets. Maybe it this one might stay open for a while to get some good feed back from the community.
I was thinking the same thing as you on the whole strangifier thing.
If this hits the active suggestions, then it will get hit hard with all kinds of feedback.
Just because strong box isn't a common drop, doesn't mean you still can't obtain it...
also, not accusing you or anything, but the comments for the trades just seemed a little fishy...
i dont see why you guys are arguing so much. he clearly doesnt have all 13/15 that someone said he owned. it says he owns 3 right next to his suggested and current prices...
Do I have all 3? I don't why it still says that because I don't. Just check my bp.
the little counter that shows how many the suggester owns doesn't work well/ doesn't update very often
If you'd take the time to look at the solds you'd see that he/she is the seller on pretty much all (all?) of them. Not saying this makes the suggestion incorrect, but it would definitely help the suggestion if the creator could show some other solds. Also just saying, but the creator clearly hasn't had any trouble selling for a key, so he/she isn't doing this for profit. Staying neutral unless the creator can find some more proof.
Here you go.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19283664 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19280426 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19279520 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19276555 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19272040 1 key
Thanks, upvote :)
Sold mine for a key in less than 4 hours, upvote! http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19280426#latest
Nevermind what i said before, just sold mine 2 hour after posting http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19285453#latest
maybe we should raise the price i mean its a good hat and also its all class hats im just saying
And also because you own 2.
well even if i dont own it ill still say that the price go up i mean its like a TC but different but for all class
proof > opinion
Scrutiny on this site is both scary and amazing. Good proof in my opinion so ill upvote.
The law going up? holy cow... Nice proof btw
i see this suggestion and think its another "i think this hat should be worth a key because its a good hat"
and its a proper suggestion
wat
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19330370 1 key buyer
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19292261 1 dota key buyer
http://www.tf2outpost.com/user/30120 sold lots of laws for 1 key
#NewTeamCaptain
Breakin' the law, breakin' the law~
upvote
I think it should be 0.9-1 key. As it can sell for 7 ref.
But it can sell for a key.
It can sell for 7 ref as well.
Proof looks solid. Alot of sellers and solds at 1 key. Upvote.
Where is the proof you sold? all you did was make a trade and close after a few days and in the second link you took the other law out so where is the proof that you sold them?
see screenshot links
Wow just sold another for 1 key in only 15 minutes after posting:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19351322#latest
Yeah. It's no problem selling for 1 key now.
The Law is overall a cool hat and I would not have a problem to pay 1 key for it. Though I already have one.
Bought mine for 7.33 defintely should cost 1 key
You bought yours for that price so that means we should all pay that price. All logic is out the door on that one.
Not seeing anything in the way of counterproof here. I guess the real question is not whether 5 ref is accurate but whether this should get a range of ~0.95-1 or 0.9-1.
Anyways, here are buyers:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19370773 - 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19330370 - 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19328530 - 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19359651 - 7 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19348398 - 7 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19353966 - 7 ref ish
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19360097 - 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19343810 - 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19356204 - 6 ref'
Not a single on the market for less than a key either. Accepting as much better than current. Can be refined with further sales as the market settles