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WHY STEALTH, WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
It's largely avalible for 7, enough to place it in range. 7.44 = 1 key.
Special thanks to Bakgrund for helping me get links for the suggestion ~
Overrated hat is overrated.
Selling Under 1 Key ~
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19142111 ~ Selling 3 for 7.11
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19122363 ~ 7
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19060039 ~ 7
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18935502 ~ Quickselling for 6 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19124328 ~ 7
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19034169 ~ unsold 7 for 5 days
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19131129 ~ 6.66
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19134380 ~ 6
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19138931 ~ 7 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19131356 ~ Assuming CS keys are same price as TF2 keys, you get the TC free when you buy a bills hat for 6 keys
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19139409 ~ 6.66
http://bazaar.tf/trade/761169 ~ 7 refs
http://bazaar.tf/trade/759331 ~ 7 refs
http://bazaar.tf/trade/741561 ~ 7 ref, bad bump
Bazaar.tf -----------------------------------
http://bazaar.tf/trade/757048 ~ 3 days
http://bazaar.tf/trade/749711 ~ 1 week
http://bazaar.tf/trade/755329 ~ 4 days
http://bazaar.tf/trade/637747 ~ 2 months
http://bazaar.tf/trade/752741 ~ 1 week
http://bazaar.tf/trade/760973 ~ 16 hours
Unsold at 1 key ~
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18992029 ~ 6 days
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19078240 ~ 3 days and autobumping
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19076658 ~ 3 days
The unsolds below this line are all from trade tf and the majority are young, and some might be dupes ~~~~~~~~~
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19142 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19141833
Ward (S>G.AWP6.33): thnx
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19141833
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19141681
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19141362
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19140269
: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19139883
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19139502
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19139375
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19138990
Ward (S>G.AWP6.33): all unsold at a key>?
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19138987
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19138754
http://bazaar.tf/trade/761556
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19138637
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CLASSIFIEDS TIME!
7 Refined = 9 Sellers
711 = 1 Seller
over 20 pages of unsolds. Selling this thing for 1 key is a bitch and some trades have remain unsold for weeks.
Extra proof is always appreciated, counter proof is welcome too! happy voting and stuff c:
because I wuv u.
I'ma leave this here.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19136579 - 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19136197 - 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19134047 - 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19137012 - 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19125068 - 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19105698 - 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19104977 - 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19106797 - 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19123308 - 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19123078 - 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19136842 - 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19119466 - 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19107709 - 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19108891 - 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19109232 - 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19109262 - 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19111302 - 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19114011 - 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19114541 - 1 key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19116550 - 1 key
Not really sure for this range. more sold for 1 key than 7 ref. oh and btw. No hard feelings K :(? *leaves a homemade sandwich*
... *opens the sandvich, ham and crisps inside* I love you<3
TC is overpriced by the community, and the Bushi-Dou is underpriced by the same group of people...
You're right, it's a shit hat not even a fucking fedora! Once I get on my computer I am deleting my TC's from my inventory.
We should be raising the price of the killer exclusive because fedora
The deleting thing sounds like a horrible idea after i looked at your backpack
oh I will just take those off your hands for free
whhy didnt you include 1 key in your suggestion? it changes a lot. it would make all the people happy that provide proof for 1 key sells
i know 7.44 is 1 key. but only atm! and they sold for 1 key when 1 key was 7.22 as well. ;)
I know opinions don't mean anything but I always feel you'll get somebody willing to pay a key.
Yeah, I normally don't have a problem selling them for keys when I do get a hold of one. Maybe it's just lucky.
I just sold one for key in 16 minutes. I did it lot of times. downvote
http://bazaar.tf/trade/761972
1 key is still in range :l
7 is in there because its piss easy to get.
The problem is that 7.44 won't be a key for long at all. Removing it from key indexing is a really big change, even if the actual magnitude is currently the same. It would no longer be an inflation indexed item.
The Team Captain dropping? Yes, yes!
HAha....that was pretty good.
tc is bad hat.
no u
tc is best hat for my Soldier Captain set. (TC, black All father and Hornblower)
Finally, we're lowering this overrated mouldy cow dump.
heuheuheu c:
Although I agree that a slight drop is needed, a key range would be better.
I wanted to do that, is 09.1? I'm not sure
0.9 keys would be ~6.66 - 6.77 ref, but it's as close as you can get to 7, and is a range I would support.
hmm, I'll think about it tonite
You should re-suggest it at key range.
7.44 will make the item crash.
Perhaps a range is in order here. Not that hard to sell for 1 key.
there is a range being suggested :? or do you mean that you agree with this :o
edit: ah ok :p
A different range.
Shouldn't it be 0.9 to 1 key? It seems it still sells fairly quickly for 1 key.
7.44 is the same as a key, so its fine.
No actually. At the moment it may be but keys are on the rise most of the time. Would support price in key range since its getting sold at 1 key as well.
If keys raise then just raise the end of the range if people buy for a key. Wouldnt that work? Or would there be a problem?
I never got why this hat is so expensive and loved. It's cool, but is it really THAT cool? I don't get it.
*ahem*
Any. The proof, suggestion and such. I looks like a key still happens frequently enough, but the lower ones might be quick sells. I don't know though, 1 key is still within the range, assuming 7.44 becomes the price of a key (it'll be close enough anyway). I am going to stay neutral as more people weigh in.
http://i.imgur.com/IQVziOR.jpg Only had it up for 3 hours. .9-1 or somthing like that would have a vote but staing neutral on 7-7.44
Oh, how the mighty hat has fallen X3
It was never mighty imo
just overrated
Overused ;~;
http://i.imgur.com/rAbPYBV.png - Every little helps
danka :D
danke* can you even german?
HEIL GRAMMAR
Ze Grammar Nazis attack ush
Getting disliked for valid proof, how sad.
Mattie fanboys be hatin'
oh no, people with team captains have disliked my comments. Your tears are delicious.
for what is worth I just sold one for 1 key, I have sold a few and I never had trouble selling for a key. I'm not voting up or down for now. I would prefer to see 0.95-1 key as the price of a key keeps going up.
If this thing goes up in parallel with the key, then we'll update the prices. However, hats tend to scale in terms of refined, not in terms of keys (nice crate hats notwithstanding.) It all depends on what currency it's tied to, and hats tend to be tied to refined, not keys.
A range in keys would be better since that is the currency most people are paying in.
0.95-1 could do. I've seen a suggestion before pass with such a range.
This thing I agree needs a range, I was selling a few 3 months ago, and it took 3 weeks to sell for 1 key, don't know why that long.
Solds for 1 key
http://i.imgur.com/vt1apRe.png
http://i.imgur.com/9JBwYYg.png
1 key is still in the range.
No 7.44 is in the range not 1 key
7.44 ref = 1 key.
and what if the key rised to 7.55? And this gets accepted?
It's not the same anymore.
If keys rise, then that will mean less buyers for the Team Captain at one key, since they can easily get them for lower. This is much more stable.
In my opinion key range would be better. Key is always on the rise, would definitely surpass the 7.44 = 1 key in a matter of literally no time.
true dat, 1 key =/= 7.44 :x
also, more sold @1key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19173206
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19177398
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19176170
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19174952
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19181141
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19174939 - 1 Key + 1.00
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10089690
Technically 1 key is *not* in the range; 7.44 refined is. This assumes that the two are equivalent, which is true at the present time but may not always be the case, and based on past trends definitely will not be. I can easily support a range of 0.95-1 key (at present the same value). However, switching the price to in terms of refined implies that this hat has reached an upper limit in price (which may indeed be the case). If 1 key remains in the range and the price of 1 key continues to rise, the hat rises with it. Whereas if 7.44 is the upper limit, then the hat's price is fixed. It honestly boils down to opinion (a rarity in price suggestions).
Based on the proofs provided, my opinion is that the prices less than 1 key are due to the "round number-ness" of 7 refined, and do not suggest a de-coupling from rising key prices. Therefore, downvote.
If keys raise and people buy for a key just raise he high end..........
Has three. Downvote.Back to reality: Staying neutral. It's an okay amount of proof, but 1 Key flat is just too commonly followed by. On the other hand, people buy them for less. But then again, Buy less; Sell more. I'm quite unsure. It'd take a significant amount of proof of <1 Key for me to upvote.
alrighty, range of 0.95 it is.
Edit: ACH I CAN'T OPEN ANOTHER ONE TILL THIS IS CLOSED. We'll see how the mods see this, if this is closed then i'll do a range of 0.95 keys.
Lol market is full of people trying to sell for 1 key and it's pretty darn easy to buy one for 7 refs.
http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search_redirect?appid=440&defindex=378&quality=6&tradable=1&craftable=1
Upchuck.
thank jew :D:D:
Why are these comments proving 7 ref getting dislikes?
Because the people who continually buy them for 6.66-7 refs want the idea that they can easily flip for a key and bp showing the correct price might hinder them.
And just because of that you want this hat to die?
How is showing an accurate price a issue here, there are pages and pages of sellers who are going for 1 key and it's pretty easy to find sellers at 7 refs (sometimes even lower).
If anything i feel sorry people who buy it thinking that they made a fair deal when it's just as easy to buy for 7 refs than it is for 1 key.
I'm sorry If I sound heartless, but come on, they chose to buy it for a key and there is nothing wrong about that. If they want to buy it for 1 key then let them, if 7 ref then let them.
I'm not sure, but have you seen a hat go back to key price after it becomes refined? If this gets accepted this hat is pretty much dead.
And how is 7-7.44 an accurate price if an always on demand hat can easily sell for 1 key? Will you feel the comfortable if double-crosss price becames 21 ref? or bills becoming 42 ref?
Edit: Well filamental did actually, but that's just because there is only a few this and always in demand.
I wouldnt want to keep a price which is inaccurate, take a look at the s.reserve shooter a while back where we had traders taking advantage of others. This is a pricing guideline and we reflect the market not what traders want the price to be.
If the hats does go down it's just normal supply and demand, nothing is ever the same. Also i was flipping these these a while back, it never "easily sells for a key". Mix of good luck and being able to response almost instantly more over as the most of the market is selling for a key most taking a while to actually find a sale.
Reality is i can find this for 7 ref just as easily for 1 key, deal with it.
I just want to be pals, not enemies. I'm Sorry~, but..
"This is a pricing guideline and we reflect the market not what traders want the price to be."
Shows 1 key can sell easily. Removes the key range. wut?
I'm sorry if i'm arrogant, but can't we just close this and resuggest for a key range? We are talking about a future of a hat people. It's either we let it crash or we let it keep going.
Edit: Even so, this sells for 1 key still.
Team captain is goin down and gibus is going up.... mh. logic.
don't forget the strange equalizers
all of dem cheap stranges are going up cuz of the chem sets :/ they will go down when they expire i guesse...
Nope, seems like this is how Valve is gonna use chem sets from now on, so people will hoard the cheapest strange they can until the next set comes out.
Oh hey, people are selling them for less. I thought this was actually kinda unfounded at first but seeing that guess it's okay. The Team Captain has always been like the quintessential TF2 hat that everyone wanted on Soldier. So the high demand made it easy to stick around for a key.
last accepted price was reflecting market for 6 months. If this gets accepted it will either manipulate market or it wont reflect it even for 1 week. key really isnt 7,44. selling TC for key is easier than buying key for 7,44
From experience Tc never really sold easily for 1 key (either needed super fast response or your trader was gone) and it was pretty easy to buy for less too. (i was flipping these a little while ago and regretted it)
from what I m seeing here TC sells easily for 1 key, anyway you might be unlucky, just as I am. and I believe you can buy everything for less and without fast response traders are always gone)
Nah the problem is that a lot of sellers are trying to sell for 1 key if you miss that add they can just add another person and because of this many people lower their prices to the point that it's just as easy to find a seller for 7 refs (sometimes lower) as well as 1 key.
I think i flipped around 8-12 Tcs in the past and they all took ages
uboat .
do u even boat m8
*secretly wanting this to go through because i made a similar suggestion*
I've had people ask for keys for this hat all day, every day, still do, never sell it. DOWN-VOTE - I believe we should keep it at one key, In my Opinion. Have a half-ass-fit over it if you please but, It's sellin' for a key...
Sorry to inform you but your opinion is worthless. I very much doubt that people are asking for your hat EVERY day, that's fucking bullshit. and if it aint, then why don't ya prove it?
Why don't you do you're own research, further more-- you do NOT have to be so rude :3 / Anywho, if you did Not know, I am a mod on a tradeserver, I sit around and people ask for the hat everyday or so, very often nonetheless, for 1 key to 1 scrap, to 5 keys, and I do correct them tho, never sell it- because simply I do not want to. / In reply to the "Opinion" I'm just putting MY thoughts forwards NO need to be a royal-butthurt child over it. Thank you, I refuse to have a argument over a hat.
"Why don't you do your own research"
Because, Einstein , I don't own your account. Do you want me to hack into your account and find the chat logs?
"You do NOT have to be so rude"
This coming from the guy who said "Have a half-ass-fit over it if you please" ? Ha.
"I am a mod on a tradeserver" blah blah blah this isn't relevant.
"People ask for this hat everyday or so, very often nonetheless, for 1 key to 1 scrap, to 5 keys
BULL. SHIT. Seriously, go spout your lying bullshit in another suggestion because it's not wanted here.
"I'm just putting my thoughts forward, no need to be a royal-butthurt child over it"
Once again, your thoughts mean nothing. I'm not being "butthurt", I am telling you to prove your sayings because they reek of bullshit.
You're probably thinking "HEU guise i 0wn3d his A$$". You didn't. I've heard more convincing stories from a dead cat. You, my idiotic friend are one arrogant piece of trash. Get the fuck off this suggestion.
Not even going to say anything more... Good day sir for making yourself look like a complete IDIOT. Nothing more to say, refuse to carry this argument further, thank you.
Wow you really are an arrogant little shit aint ya?
http://cutestuff.co/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/cute-cat-laughing.jpg
The likes are on Ward's side
I dislike when keys rise because items priced at keys rise with the keys. upvote
If this gets closed I will resuggest with a better range~
Gud luk. BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Thank you stealth :D:D<3
Ok so i can only say this, it doesnt matter how long it can get to sell something, as long as you get it sold it's fine.
That's not true. I sold my TC for a key in few minutes.
Screenshot or it didn't happen.
As you wish: http://i.imgur.com/LeZc9X5.png?1
For clarification: The guy wanted to pay a key but he hadn't got any at that moment so he paid in metal: 7.44 ref. I didn't have any problems with getting a key for this price so we can say that i sold the TC for 1 key.
Thank you
I bought one for 7 ref just now.
If that matters.
7.44 =/= 1 key. I receive 7.55 ref per key from selling to bots currently so 7.44 definitely does not equal a key.
Bots do not make the market. If you can find seller (not quickseller) for lower price that means this price is still in range.
Bots don't make the market but if I easily receive more metal from a key (ie from an automated service) it means that I would not accept 7.44 ref as 1 key when selling for example a Team Captain
I don't think it should be lowered i sold TC for 1 key.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19230715#latest
A screenshot from trade history would be nice.
http://imgur.com/oNGJgwP Here you go :) it's in Bulgarian sorry.
when you re dropping item and you dont have enough positive votes after 4 days maybe you should close it. this still sells for key so you cant remove it from range completely
What the hell do you mean if a suggestion is up for 4+ days you should close it :I
All that means is that we're taking the time to decide what range is best for the hat. Also, positive votes don't do shit to get a suggestion passed, it's up to a mod to decide when to close or pass a suggestion unless the suggestor closes upon his own will.
The only reason why this hat got to 1 key is all thanks to the mighty RubberFruit. Wherever you are, all the scouts and soldiers salute you!
Anywho, I'm neutral to this. There was a time it took me a week to sell it at a key and just a few minutes to sell it also for a key. Either way, I guess you just have to be lucky with the people wanting it.
the only thing that upsets me is that this suggestion is more popular than mine
As in the comments and counterproof, the Team Captain sells too strongly at a key to transition it to a refined range. A drop is needed, but the key needs to be kept in range- and its metal bp.tf equivalent is just not an acceptable subsitute.
Closing.